The Banned thread

[mbox_bob]

Just like you can move your mouse between windows with a certain isboxer setup that's legal?

Umm it's built into Windows......

Control Panel->Ease of Access->Change How Your Mouse Works->Activate a window by hovering over it with the mouse

Have client X as the focus without technically swapping positions

Actually you can do this in Windows too with a couple of registry settings. It is Focus Follows Mouse (like the activate a window by hovering), but without bringing the window to the front.

You need to set the bitmask for Active Window Tracking and Active Window Tracking Z Order as detailed here https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/.../cc957204.aspx
If you want to speed up the Active Window Tracking to be faster, you can set the ActiveWndTrkTimeout https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/.../cc957203.aspx

You end up with the ability to have a window receive input without it being the "active" or topmost window as per the usual setup in Windows.

This would allow you to arrange your windows in such a way that you could simply roll your mouse around over the windows pressing the F1 key, all without changing the layout. Not quite as fancy as Video FX, but it's pretty damn close, and if you have 6 screens and 6 clients (or just a 4K screen) you could be quite effective with nothing but Windows and EVE, and be much faster than an ALT+TABer.


Also, I recommend you press ALT+ESC rather than ALT+TAB, as it will cycle through Windows in the order they were opened, whereas ALT+TAB uses a MRU order. Cycling through in a known order is much more useful than in the MRU order

[thedevilyouknow]

Umm it's built into Windows......

Control Panel->Ease of Access->Change How Your Mouse Works->Activate a window by hovering over it with the mouse



Actually you can do this in Windows too with a couple of registry settings. It is Focus Follows Mouse (like the activate a window by hovering), but without bringing the window to the front.

You need to set the bitmask for Active Window Tracking and Active Window Tracking Z Order as detailed here https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/.../cc957204.aspx
If you want to speed up the Active Window Tracking to be faster, you can set the ActiveWndTrkTimeout https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/.../cc957203.aspx

You end up with the ability to have a window receive input without it being the "active" or topmost window as per the usual setup in Windows.

This would allow you to arrange your windows in such a way that you could simply roll your mouse around over the windows pressing the F1 key, all without changing the layout. Not quite as fancy as Video FX, but it's pretty damn close, and if you have 6 screens and 6 clients (or just a 4K screen) you could be quite effective with nothing but Windows and EVE, and be much faster than an ALT+TABer.


Also, I recommend you press ALT+ESC rather than ALT+TAB, as it will cycle through Windows in the order they were opened, whereas ALT+TAB uses a MRU order. Cycling through in a known order is much more useful than in the MRU order

That is quite cool

The only thing i can imagine ccp doing is labeling windows as a third party program

[Lax]

That is quite cool

The only thing i can imagine ccp doing is labeling windows as a third party program

"Third party program" only means "made by a third party", which in this case is to say, not CCP. So yes, Windows is quite literally a third party program and nobody should argue otherwise.

[LordsServant]

Umm it's built into Windows......

Control Panel->Ease of Access->Change How Your Mouse Works->Activate a window by hovering over it with the mouse



Actually you can do this in Windows too with a couple of registry settings. It is Focus Follows Mouse (like the activate a window by hovering), but without bringing the window to the front.

You need to set the bitmask for Active Window Tracking and Active Window Tracking Z Order as detailed here https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/.../cc957204.aspx
If you want to speed up the Active Window Tracking to be faster, you can set the ActiveWndTrkTimeout https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/.../cc957203.aspx

You end up with the ability to have a window receive input without it being the "active" or topmost window as per the usual setup in Windows.

This would allow you to arrange your windows in such a way that you could simply roll your mouse around over the windows pressing the F1 key, all without changing the layout. Not quite as fancy as Video FX, but it's pretty damn close, and if you have 6 screens and 6 clients (or just a 4K screen) you could be quite effective with nothing but Windows and EVE, and be much faster than an ALT+TABer.


Also, I recommend you press ALT+ESC rather than ALT+TAB, as it will cycle through Windows in the order they were opened, whereas ALT+TAB uses a MRU order. Cycling through in a known order is much more useful than in the MRU order

Yes, and I was saying this is perfectly legal for that reason. My legal isboxer setup works just like this.

You quoted me as saying specifically that it is legal.

That wasn't sarcasm. What is illegal is sending button presses/actions to OTHER windows without first swapping window focus - such as moving your mouse.

F1 (to eve client #1) --> Mouse Mouse to swap window focus --> F1 (to eve client #2).

Versus F1 (to eve client #1) --> F1 (to eve client #2).

There is zero mouse movement or anything at all to swap window focus. Whether you're running 2 eve clients on 1 computer, or 1 eve client each on 2 computers, you need to somehow swap focus between the two if you're using the same keyboard.

You are welcome to setup 2 different keyboards and hit f1 with one hand each on different computers as well.

Mirai is just being silly at this point, as is anyone who is trying to debate this simple concept.

[Justname]

I'm really not one for insulting people, but how thick do you have to be to not get that moving your mouse to swap window focus is an action?

Of course no one is arguing with you that it is an action. It is however not a GAME action, it is an OS action. CCP should not care about how many windows you mouse over, or hotspots, or elements, or how many times you got up to go to the loo, all they should care about is the action you do that generates actions inside their game.

[Tool of Society]

Umm it's built into Windows......

Control Panel->Ease of Access->Change How Your Mouse Works->Activate a window by hovering over it with the mouse



Actually you can do this in Windows too with a couple of registry settings. It is Focus Follows Mouse (like the activate a window by hovering), but without bringing the window to the front.

You need to set the bitmask for Active Window Tracking and Active Window Tracking Z Order as detailed here https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/.../cc957204.aspx
If you want to speed up the Active Window Tracking to be faster, you can set the ActiveWndTrkTimeout https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/.../cc957203.aspx

You end up with the ability to have a window receive input without it being the "active" or topmost window as per the usual setup in Windows.

This would allow you to arrange your windows in such a way that you could simply roll your mouse around over the windows pressing the F1 key, all without changing the layout. Not quite as fancy as Video FX, but it's pretty damn close, and if you have 6 screens and 6 clients (or just a 4K screen) you could be quite effective with nothing but Windows and EVE, and be much faster than an ALT+TABer.


Also, I recommend you press ALT+ESC rather than ALT+TAB, as it will cycle through Windows in the order they were opened, whereas ALT+TAB uses a MRU order. Cycling through in a known order is much more useful than in the MRU order

The issue is if you click in teh window it changes focus still so it's not nearly as helpful as I expected

Still running BTW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZz_5dI6fgM

today.

[New Horizon]

Anyone still running Incursions with ISBoxer for window management ("next window" and "previous window" hotkeys)? I don't think that CCP sanctions that too.

[shadowandlight]

Anyone still running Incursions with ISBoxer for window management ("next window" and "previous window" hotkeys)? I don't think that CCP sanctions that too.

If you go over to the Team Security thread, your'll find that most of us are pretty confused as to what is and is not allowed. CCP is doing a great job at talking out both sides of their mouth.