In game element layout and video feeds

[MrKizz]

Heres what i am going to try for now: snipped for brevity...

I have IsBoxer and InnerSpace, both downloaded 20th June 2013, set up with a great deal of help from the often absent LAX (joe). I am running level 3 and level 4 missions in Eve-online with just Two Characters. What a Blooming Nightnmare the set up is. I find that if the screens are not aligned to the pixel, clicking the screen can result in mis-targeting, shooting at your alt or destroying the item your trying to collect to complete a mission.

I have one character per screen, so two screens for my two characters. I 'wish' for placeable icon on my primary screen that would instruct the secondary screen. Example, Targeting. If I broadcast target with character one, I then after broadcasting the intended target, I have to switch on 'Broadcast Keys', click on the Fleet Broadcast area and click again to get both chars to identify the target to be locked onto and to initiate target lock. Next, when lock is established, in 'broadcast keys on', select the weapons to fire, select drones and then launch drones then tell drones which target to attack, then switch Broadcast keys off.

If my second ship starts to take damage, or runs low on missiles or has a drone geting damaged, focusing on that task plus the task of knowing when Broadcast Keys is active becomes a soul destroyer. Dual Boxing level 4 missions, using ISBoxer is a challenge I wish at time I had never started. I spoke to Joe on the Forums, Joe being the creator if IsBoxing and InnerSpace and he confirmed the two programs were written years apart from each other and probably dont jive well all the time.

I do realise, he has made so many updates and additions, there are hundreds of options, choices, settings and widgets available that many players never even get around to using, but out-of-the-box, setting up in Eve is frightening. The 24 hour help described on the internet for ISBoxer doesnt exist, if joe needs to leave for the kids or something, you are left soloing it without any qualified help at all, not what you expect when you buy a product from a business that boasts tech support.

TBH, there are many users haunting the IsBoxer forum on IRC that could give help, but all too often I hear, 'sorry mate, I only play WoW, but it should work ok' in otherwords, the chat forum on IRC is a hangout for many players, most of which are not looking at it all the time and will probably never see your plea for help, and of those that do look, don't know your play, your game or the magnitude of the help you need. When Joe is there, the support is often pretty good. He does rely upon users sucking up every tutorial, video, you tube account and external resource before he actually tells you things that matter. 'Go to the Wiki and see the tutorial' is often not the Tech Support I expect after playing a company for a product.

It should be easy. Many times, I watch a you tube resource only to see how well another player is doing something, it's not instructional, its a self-boast. If that player is 'ratting', it bears little or no influence on my need to do missoning, so being sent to YouTube is often a complete waste of time.

I looked at your image, and I see that you have 'segments' of other screens on the main screen you are paying, that seems to make sense, but how I put that in English so that Joe understands what I need to do is beyond me.

Are there any others using IsBoxer to run Missions with two or more characters, or am I in a world of my own???





Sounds like a palaver, I disagree, It's a Nightmare.

TL;DR How do your get little windows from other screens to show in the right place on your main screen, Is that from IsBoxer/InnerSpace or another utility.

[moog]

Are there any others using IsBoxer to run Missions with two or more characters, or am I in a world of my own???

Sorry to hear that you're having so much trouble enjoying the benefits of ISBoxer

I run a 5-man PVE team (missions and anomolies) and a 10-man mining team on a single PC with two monitors.
I run all 5/10 full screen stacked on the left hand monitor and just have a dxNothing window on the right hand monitor with video feeds of what I need to know at a glance.

Like this...


and detailed screen shots from when I was *only* 9-box mining:

When docked, I just have 9 miniature full-screen video feeds on the right hand monitor, like this...


As soon as I launch, I press a key and swap to the mining video feeds, which you can see here...


On the main screen I have local and the overview.
On the right hand screen I can see everyone's shields at a glance, make sure all the mining lasers are active and check the status of their ore bays.

You're more interested in missions, so here's an old screenshot of my 5-drakes shooting things...


Again, all 5 clients are stacked on the left screen and I use F1-F5 to select which char I'm currently driving with.
Right hand monitor has video feeds showing the ship modules/controls, drones and targets.
The green lights are something I use to indicate which client has broadcasting on - I've lost count of how many times I've spammed the corp channel with all my clients!!!


Although Eve lacks the complexity of, say, WoW, with no macros etc, it actually makes it a lot easier to setup - just get each client with identical window layouts and just toggle broadcast on/off.

To get all clients setup identical, follow this... http://isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.p...p=18446#p18446
I rarely have a mis-targetting incident now but you could go further and use the new tagging shortcut they added recently... http://isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.p...p=18613#p18613

With the above setups, I've 5-boxed L1-4 missions and am currently 5-boxing anomolies in null with a fleet of Typhoons.
Whilst my new high-sec team trains up, I'm 2-boxing L4 missions with a Rattlesnake and a salvaging Algos follower.

It can all work extremely well - keep perservering!

[MrKizz]

How do you get the abbreeviated views on the right hand screen. I have followed the wiki on setting up dxNothing and have nothing like that, Main screen is one character and second character is a very small windows on the second screen. I must be missing something here.

[moog]

Hmm, just re-read your post and I have to take issue with this middle section...

I do realise, he has made so many updates and additions, there are hundreds of options, choices, settings and widgets available that many players never even get around to using, but out-of-the-box, setting up in Eve is frightening. The 24 hour help described on the internet for ISBoxer doesnt exist, if joe needs to leave for the kids or something, you are left soloing it without any qualified help at all, not what you expect when you buy a product from a business that boasts tech support.

TBH, there are many users haunting the IsBoxer forum on IRC that could give help, but all too often I hear, 'sorry mate, I only play WoW, but it should work ok' in otherwords, the chat forum on IRC is a hangout for many players, most of which are not looking at it all the time and will probably never see your plea for help, and of those that do look, don't know your play, your game or the magnitude of the help you need. When Joe is there, the support is often pretty good. He does rely upon users sucking up every tutorial, video, you tube account and external resource before he actually tells you things that matter. 'Go to the Wiki and see the tutorial' is often not the Tech Support I expect after playing a company for a product.

I have *never* had such amazing support for any software product from any size company as I have from ISBoxer!
For the peanuts you pay (compare it to the cost of your multiple game accounts!) it is fucking amazing value for money and to get the level of support which we do is amazing!

[MrKizz]

Thank you Moog for an amazing reply and an close up of your view, It has me spurred on to re-look at DxNothing, am at the wiki now looking at how to set it up.

For support, if a Company takes my money for a product and promises me support, then that is what I want, it should not be a lottery when you ask for support to be told, 'he's not here, he is doing something at home', come on, if you offer support, the least you can do is arrange a co-worker or other person as your standby if you have to leave. I ran my own POS business out of Tampa FL and I know what support means to your customer base. It's a lifeline.

When Joe has been there to give support, he has been a star and I have no complaint there, but when he is not there, and for me that seems like most of the time, it sucks to be me.

When I first looked at IsBoxer, I felt it was the answer I was looking for, but the 'out-of-the-box' experience was a nightmare. Now you have shared your set-up and given me a few more clues, I think it still might be the answer I am looking for.

I run two characters because I have two screens, but I feel I could be doing five if the set up is right, and your's looks pretty darn good.

Thank you for your help Moog and thank you for countering a critisism I made, I may be wrong, with any luck I am.

Reading the wiki now to see about DxNothing....

[moog]

Glad it has spurred you on.

Why don't I export my 5-box configuration and send it to you - PM me your email address - as that would give you a place to start... the video feeds might not be in exactly the right place but you can tweak it to what you want.

Eve really is a lot easier to get up and running with ISBoxer, short of WoW.

ha - just realised that's me in post #55 on this thread, when I started Eve boxing last year - come a long way in Eve since then