Taking the heat

[Apps]

eh, changed my mind. This is a funny thread.

[MiRai]

I'll reply again since I'm not doing anything right this moment. There also seem to be a lot lists in this thread so I'll join in on the fun.

Let's start off with an example:

Why is there a such thing as a "bad neighborhood" where someone might live? I'd wager everything I own that not everyone who lives in the "bad neighborhood" is actually bad. However, if someone was coming out of the "bad neighborhood," most people would label that person as a bad person, regardless of whoever they really are.

Tell me the above text (especially the text in bold) is incorrect.
Tell me that the general (gaming) population will not pre-judge someone because they don't have the same play style.
Tell me that you've never made a generalization about anyone, or anything, in your life.

You can't come in here and pretend that you're a saint and say that others shouldn't judge others or tell them how to play (which I don't see anyone telling anyone else how to play) because you have never judged anyone ever and you would never do that.

You'd be lying.

There are also a lot of "I" statements in this thread where people think they have a real identity among the masses in the video game world. You don't. You might have some sort of identity on your realm because people might know who you are, but other than that, you're a multiboxer. You're a multiboxer, just like I'm a multiboxer, and just like he's a multiboxer. We're all multiboxers and we're labeled as so, by the general population, while we're multiboxing.

I don't care how you might personally view multiboxing because you're already a multiboxer.
I don't care that you believe people should not be judged by their play style because that's obviously not the way the (gaming) world works.
I don't care if you feel entitled to whatever you want just because you can -- Thinking that "I pay money for this, so I can do what I want" is the type of thinking which is why we can't have nice things.

(Quoted Before It Was Withdrawn)

I find it hypocritical for individuals to put up the same examples to quantify multiboxing, and then turn around and again use the same example to try to control it.
I.e. "..multiboxing is the same as several individuals working together in a group situation, you're not expecting to kill 5 players are you?" then say, its not fair to the community of boxers if some users do this, because it makes "me" look bad.

When someone rages on five players, they're raging on five players. When someone rages on someone else who is multiboxing, they're raging about a multiboxer. Also, if those five individual players come from the same guild, then that guild is now labeled, no?

How are these the same?

Let's break this down visually (as best I can with text).

Example 1

Five players from different guilds camp one player:

Warrior (Tom)
Mage (Mike)
Mage (Jerry)
Priest (Mila - My sexy lady)
Druid (George)

Result:
"What a bunch of douche bags! Why don't they go find something else to do with their time?"

Example 2

Five players from the same guild camp one player:

Warrior (Tom)
Mage (Mike)
Mage (Jerry)
Priest (Mila - My sexy lady)
Druid (George)

Result:
"F'ing <insert guild name>! They're all just a bunch of douchebags! Why don't they go find something else to do with their time?"

A guild of 100 people is now labeled by this one person as douchebags because of five individual players' actions.

Example 3

A single multiboxer who is multiboxing five characters camps one player:

Warrior (Tom)
Mage (Tom)
Mage (Tom)
Priest (Tom)
Druid (Tom)

Result:
"F'ing multiboxers! They're all just a bunch of cheating douchebags! Why doesn't this guy go find something else to do with his time?"

All multiboxers are now labeled by this one person as douchebags because of one multiboxer's actions.

These are crude examples (for everyone, not just Apps), Don't jump on me with a herp derp statement saying that "PvP happens." This is a general example of how the general mass of players are going to interpret a multiboxer's actions.

[kate]

I'll reply again since I'm not doing anything right this moment. There also seem to be a lot lists in this thread so I'll join in on the fun.

Tell me that the general (gaming) population will not pre-judge someone because they don't have the same play style.
Tell me that you've never made a generalization about anyone, or anything, in your life.

You can't come in here and pretend that you're a saint and say that others shouldn't judge others or tell them how to play (which I don't see anyone telling anyone else how to play) because you have never judged anyone ever and you would never do that.

You'd be lying.

Well it's a good thing nobody said that in this thread, or anything like that!

This, by the way, is exactly what I'm getting at: MiRai is clearly arguing with someone else, not me and not Apps because neither of us have said what he seems to be thinking we've said. How can I have a discussion with someone who isn't willing to read *my* words and respond to them without completely distorting them into something that isn't even remotely close to what I said? How can I respond to criticisms of arguments I never made and that nobody else has made?

I can't, so I won't. MiRai, congratulations - you have demonstrated the validity of my main points far more convincingly with your responses to me than I ever could have. Your complete dedication to totally ignoring what I actually said and instead responding to what you would like to imagine I said shows exactly how pointless it is for me to try to change the behavior of people who are unwilling to take in new information and consider it.

You stick to your guns and shine on, you crazy diamond!

[Sajuuk]

Well it's a good thing nobody said that in this thread, or anything like that!

This, by the way, is exactly what I'm getting at: MiRai is clearly arguing with someone else, not me and not Apps because neither of us have said what he seems to be thinking we've said. How can I have a discussion with someone who isn't willing to read *my* words and respond to them without completely distorting them into something that isn't even remotely close to what I said? How can I respond to criticisms of arguments I never made and that nobody else has made?

I can't, so I won't. MiRai, congratulations - you have demonstrated the validity of my main points far more convincingly with your responses to me than I ever could have. Your complete dedication to totally ignoring what I actually said and instead responding to what you would like to imagine I said shows exactly how pointless it is for me to try to change the behavior of people who are unwilling to take in new information and consider it.

You stick to your guns and shine on, you crazy diamond!

tl;dr.

That's how.

[valkry]

tl;dr.

That's how.

<<--- wow forums are that way champ, keep the troll posts there.