Alliance win percentages this AV weekend

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The other random factors are your teammates and classroles. The argument that blizzard is fine with people queuing with more than 5 is bullshit. They have said that themselves and they have put in a queue limit of 5 people, on purpose. If you want to ignore that argument by saying that the api allows it to circumvent it: then the api is conflicting with what they have stated and with the limit they put in. What you are basically doing is tricking the system by mass queuing at the same millisecond. If you don't have enough people for who the BG pops, you leave the BG. That is another unintended behavior, as it has repercussions for other people in the queue and in the actual BG (they might start with 5-7 active people). Yes it's perfectly legal to leave the queue, the difference is that with the addon it's being done on a much larger scale, and you are not gonna tell me this was intended when they designed the system. It's very simple: if they wanted us to be able to queue up with 10 man, they would increase the limit. But they actually did the opposite, shrink it down from 10 to 5.

If Blizzard was not ok with addons like Preform AV Enabler, they would have broken them long ago. There is a blue post saying that premades are a-ok, but my google skills fail me today.

If you don't understand the impact these organized full premades have for the average player, then there is something wrong with your understanding of the game in my book. Imagine that as of tomorrow, all current players would queue up for a random dungeon with a full premade, and the same for LFR. Then the newer players (which the game really needs to stay healthy) will never experience good play nor be able to steal with their eyes.And big part of this mmo is that knowledge/experience is being transmitted from one player to another as the game progresses. The same is true for aspiring pvp'rs. If they experience the ganking from the first minute on a GY, by people who game the mechanics to increase the level of organisation a random bg should have, then what's the point for them to even queue up.

Your reliance on a hypothetical is ridiculous because the situation you describe will never happen. Therefore, it is illogical to form an argument based upon it. Graveyard camping happens all the time in 10-15 mans when a 5 man group queues up (or one team happens to be terrible/undergeared). People seem to get along fine, even with all of the shenanigans of low level pvp.

It's not the occasional premade that is wrong, it's the development of a whole community around it, i.e. the scale on which it happens. There are now everyday a couple of pugs that just queue up in AV with 40 people where the intend is max 5, with the only goal to just farm the GY, avoiding pretty much every bg objective. And if the outcome beats the intent, then something is wrong in my opinion, something that needs to be fixed.

Intent is completely reliant on the players, not the developers. If all a player want to do is run around and pad kills, then they should be allowed to do so. The game wouldn't be much fun it it was "you must do x, y, and z in this order in order to experience the game." Those kind of games give you about 8 hours of gameplay, and WoW is not that kind of game. It thrives on giving players options and restricting them as little as possible.

About your argument that multiboxers are technically premades themselves: up to 5 people - as intended - there is nothing wrong with that. Nor will it have deciding impact on every bg you play.

So you're ok with premades, but you're not. I just don't understand how a multiboxer can be against premades when they ARE a premade. It just seems like a double standard to me, since you're ok with premades in one context, but not in another.

Whereas - definitely in the 40m maps where the level of organisation is much harder - with a full premade you have a guaranteed outcome. It has simply nothing to do with pvp in my opinion.

Bold text is false. Outcomes are never guaranteed, just likely to go according to plans.