Change in Rules here @ dual-boxing.com

[Fat Tire]

I don't see why having financial incentives creates some conspiracy. Site has to run and pay for itself doesn't it? And it was time to finally bury the hatchet on a long winded feud and open up this community for more dialogue on all the alternatives in the multiboxing world. There aren't many so why not really become a hub for all to freely discuss?

It's just gaming, I think we can put the tin foil hat away.

Cool, DB.com is getting paid or got made an offer by pwnboxer and that is the real reason for this change. Well I just wish you guys would have just come out and said that instead of saying "its just good for the mutiboxing community to discuss all platforms" bullshit. As the change to the members is at best a byproduct of DB.com getting paid. Yay! for us, thanks for thinking about the DB community.

While I think its fine that DB.com can get paid to off set their costs. I think it was total fucking bush league the way it was explained . I was born, but it wasn't yesterday.

[Svpernova09]

I see nothing but problems.


/puts on tin foil hat

Its pretty easy to see that there is/was an alternate motive besides just being to talk about pwnboxer now. Me thinks Lax had financial incentive and or DB.com from pwnboxer ? hmm... nah

Only time will tell when we see a pwnboxer tab that links to his site at the top of DB. Did it cost extra for ISboxer to have "Premium MMORPG Boxing software" in its title as opposed to Keyclone?

I am probably way off base though in my thinking.

Cool, DB.com is getting paid or got made an offer by pwnboxer and that is the real reason for this change. Well I just wish you guys would have just come out and said that instead of saying "its just good for the mutiboxing community to discuss all platforms" bullshit. As the change to the members is at best a byproduct of DB getting paid. Yay! for us, thanks for thinking about the DB community.

While I think its fine that DB.com can get paid to off set their costs. I think it was total fucking bush league the way it was explained . I was born, but it wasn't yesterday.

I am probably way off base though in my thinking.

This is correct. You are way off base.

Dual-Boxing currently has 3 methods of Income. Google ads that get displayed to users that are not logged in, Keyclone referrals, and from ISBoxer. I'm pretty sure I've explained our income sources before in another post. Pwnboxer does not financially support this site. If Ellay was going to take money from Pwnboxer, he would have done it a long time ago, but he's always refused.

Did Lax pay extra for the anchor text in his link in the menu? Not at all. I changed that without consulting Ellay or Lax. Check this out, go to http://www.isboxer.com Right click on the page and click "View Source". Go look for the the Title Tags.

<title>ISBoxer: premium MMORPG multiboxing software</title>

Now lets look at our menu code...

<a href="http://www.isboxer.com/dual-boxing">ISBoxer: Premium MMORPG Multiboxing Software</a>

The change was purely from a marketing perspective. No paranoia, tinfoil hats, or bad mel gibson movies were involved.


Now you're certainly entitled to your opinion and your paranoia. But I would ask that you keep it to yourself or come ask me directly. As I've said many times before, I have absolutely no financial stake in dual-boxing.com I get paid the same amount today that I did yesterday, in fact, I got a RAISE from yesterday. 100% Raise times the $0.00 I was making brings me up to $0.00! AMAZING!

I'm here for the community. Ellay is here for the community and if the site makes a profit, then hey, it's paying HIM back for the years it didn't. I know with some precision what our income numbers are. Ellay isn't in on some island with an umbrella drink going LOLDUAL-BOXING.COM.

The only financial gain Lax could have for dual-boxing.com discussing Pwnboxer is more people would see how shitty Pwnboxer is compared to ISBoxer, and thus become ISBoxer users. So if we allow Pwnboxer discussions here it could translate to more customers for Lax, who is the major monetary contributor to dual-boxing.com. I'm not understanding the down side here. But alas, this was not the only reason we made the change. Believe it or not, everything I've said in this thread is how I feel / what I believe. You don't have to like it, just don't hate on it.

[Fat Tire]

This is correct. You are way off base.

Dual-Boxing currently has 3 methods of Income. Google ads that get displayed to users that are not logged in, Keyclone referrals, and from ISBoxer. I'm pretty sure I've explained our income sources before in another post. Pwnboxer does not financially support this site. If Ellay was going to take money from Pwnboxer, he would have done it a long time ago, but he's always refused.

Did Lax pay extra for the anchor text in his link in the menu? Not at all. I changed that without consulting Ellay or Lax. Check this out, go to http://www.isboxer.com Right click on the page and click "View Source". Go look for the the Title Tags.

<title>ISBoxer: premium MMORPG multiboxing software</title>

Now lets look at our menu code...

<a href="http://www.isboxer.com/dual-boxing">ISBoxer: Premium MMORPG Multiboxing Software</a>

The change was purely from a marketing perspective. No paranoia, tinfoil hats, or bad mel gibson movies were involved.


Now you're certainly entitled to your opinion and your paranoia. But I would ask that you keep it to yourself or come ask me directly. As I've said many times before, I have absolutely no financial stake in dual-boxing.com I get paid the same amount today that I did yesterday, in fact, I got a RAISE from yesterday. 100% Raise times the $0.00 I was making brings me up to $0.00! AMAZING!

I'm here for the community. Ellay is here for the community and if the site makes a profit, then hey, it's paying HIM back for the years it didn't. I know with some precision what our income numbers are. Ellay isn't in on some island with an umbrella drink going LOLDUAL-BOXING.COM.

The only financial gain Lax could have for dual-boxing.com discussing Pwnboxer is more people would see how shitty Pwnboxer is compared to ISBoxer, and thus become ISBoxer users. So if we allow Pwnboxer discussions here it could translate to more customers for Lax, who is the major monetary contributor to dual-boxing.com. I'm not understanding the down side here. But alas, this was not the only reason we made the change. Believe it or not, everything I've said in this thread is how I feel / what I believe. You don't have to like it, just don't hate on it.

So you saying that DB.com is not getting any monetary contributions from Pwnboxer, at all? And that Isboxer who is a Major contributor to this site their only benefit is showing the members on this site that already dont use pwnboxer how bad it is?

hmmm...is isboxer allowed to be discussed on pwnboxer forums now?

I know you dont get paid SN9, but you cant expect anyone to believe this change wasnt based on money.

Your OP makes it sound like your doing the DB community a soild. Just wish you would have come out and said that this change was for money, to help lax who is in turn DB.com biggest contributor or to help DB.com directly. No matter how you want to define it this change was about money.

Will Pwnboxer get one of those nifity tabs that link to his site? PWNBOXER - Double premium MMORPG multiboxing software (twice as good as Isboxer). Is only from a marketing perspective anyway. To be fair - I use Isboxer ;p

[Svpernova09]

So you saying that DB.com is not getting any monetary contributions from Pwnboxer, at all? And that Isboxer who is a Major contributor to this site their only benefit is showing on members this site that already dont use pwnboxer how bad it is?

hmmm...is isboxer allowed to be discussed on pwnboxer forums now?

I know you dont get paid SN9, but you cant tell me that is decision wasnt based on money.

Your OP makes it sound like your doing us a soild. Just wish you would have come out and said that this change was for money, to help lax who is in turn DB.com biggest contributor.

Will Pwnboxer get one of those nifity tabs that link to his site?

Every change to this site in the last 2 years (or longer) I've either had my hand in, or Ellay has been in direct contact with me about. I can say with pretty solid certainty that Pwnboxer is not currently paying any money to dual-boxing.com *I* was the one that brought up the idea of allowing discussions here to Ellay

I do feel like allowing any software discussions here is doing you all a solid. Allowing you to see real world success and failures of any application is huge. Lets go back to August/November of 2008. Lets recall all the hate threads that were showing up about Innerspace. If I had not stepped up and explained things to the people who were mods at the time, you would not have been allowed to discuss Innerspace or ISBoxer here. Now 3 years later Innerspace is the cornerstone here.

I can't say if ISboxer will be allowed at Pwnboxer forums. I'm not an admin there, nor do I even have an account there. Judging from this thread http://multiboxing.com/forums/f2/pb-...ored-4341.html they're still filtering out dual-boxing.com links.

The decision was based on money. It was based on who multiboxers give their money to.

Pwnboxer will not be getting a menu link here. There is no advertising arrangement between us.

[Ualaa]

hmmm...is isboxer allowed to be discussed on pwnboxer forums now?

You can mention IS Boxer freely on multiboxing.com; I do regularly.

In the past, when someone said they wanted to do whatever with their boxing software, I would explain how I do it with my software of choice; for the most part those threads stand, but a dozen or so have been removed (I've been posting on multiboxing.com, since Nov 09).
Most of those removals were when I was a very new user.

I had seen a couple of dual-boxing members post something regarding Pwnboxer on these forums.
Svper challenged them to mention a product other than Pwnboxer.
One of them, who regularly posted videos of clearing things mentioned he was an administrator on that site and his signature clearly stated he uses IS Boxer as his boxing software.

I basically googled the site, and informatively answered questions always stating clearly how to solve their problem with IS Boxer; essentially a test to see how much a non-PB product could be discussed on the other site.

An actual link to www.isboxer.com is censored, the same as www.dual-boxing.com.
The words IS Boxer or Dual-Boxing are not censored.

[Khatovar]

I had no hand in this decision, but I feel pretty at ease with the concept that it ISN'T some sort of sly infiltration. I lean heavily towards it being more along the lines of people coming here to ask about boxing and being shut out because we don't discuss what they use.

Someone comes here, they post, they mention that program and they get a postlock right out of the gate; that's not exactly welcoming. So they don't come back, they don't learn that there's better options out there and they end up going elsewhere and believing whatever someone else feeds them. Why continue to post here when no one can tell you anything good or bad about the program you are using, no one can help you with it, no one can troubleshoot your issues or help you get better at multiboxing in general because what you use is a taboo topic? That's conterproductive to the user and the community.

What IS productive is being able to have a new user come in, say "I use this and want to do that" and having a community that can say "I don't know how to do that with that program, but I know with this other one you can do it this way..." instead of "We don't discuss that program here. Go away. /thread"

Doing that makes it look like WE are being catty and frankly, that's a win for Pwnboxer, because there is no place where anyone can freely say anything negative or contrary to what he puts out there. You certainly aren't going to find a post like THIS on his forums, and until now, you couldn't find it here either.

[Fat Tire]

The decision was based on money. It was based on who multiboxers give their money to.

Thanks SN9

[Daeri]

<title>ISBoxer: premium MMORPG multiboxing software</title>

Now lets look at our menu code...

Wow, after a good ten minutes of desperate search, I just figured out what link you were talking about. So the change only shows up if you use the theme "ipb pro-current". For the record, I switched at some point to "ipb pro" because I could not get to see sub-forums of the general section anymore with the default theme. Well I thought I must have changed it by mistake and switched back to what I thought was the default theme. So there must be wrong with my settings for the sub-forums to not show anymore since noone complained so far
/offtopic

[Fat Tire]

I had no hand in this decision, but I feel pretty at ease with the concept that it ISN'T some sort of sly infiltration. I lean heavily towards it being more along the lines of people coming here to ask about boxing and being shut out because we don't discuss what they use.

Someone comes here, they post, they mention that program and they get a postlock right out of the gate; that's not exactly welcoming. So they don't come back, they don't learn that there's better options out there and they end up going elsewhere and believing whatever someone else feeds them. Why continue to post here when no one can tell you anything good or bad about the program you are using, no one can help you with it, no one can troubleshoot your issues or help you get better at multiboxing in general because what you use is a taboo topic? That's conterproductive to the user and the community.

What IS productive is being able to have a new user come in, say "I use this and want to do that" and having a community that can say "I don't know how to do that with that program, but I know with this other one you can do it this way..." instead of "We don't discuss that program here. Go away. /thread"

Doing that makes it look like WE are being catty and frankly, that's a win for Pwnboxer, because there is no place where anyone can freely say anything negative or contrary to what he puts out there. You certainly aren't going to find a post like THIS on his forums, and until now, you couldn't find it here either.

So what your saying and what the thread showed is that we now have facts based moderator approved pwnboxer bashing for the benefit of isboxer.

[Khatovar]

So what your saying and what the thread showed is that we now have facts based moderator approved pwnboxer bashing for the benefit of isboxer.

What exactly do you want, Fat Tire? A conspiracy or are you simply trolling? You weren't content to leave your first post stating simply "I see nothing but problems." You came back to edit it to claim it's all Lax and this site of selling out to Pwnboxer. But now everyone is selling out to Lax by "bashing" Pwnboxer to pimp ISBoxer. So far the only problems I'm seeing are coming from you throwing all sorts of accusations about and trying to turn this simple little thing into some huge overblown scheme. It's not.

The sky isn't falling, there's no secret checks in the mail and it's not some sinister plan designed to steal your soul. It just means less posts to lock.