1 button IWT and dps

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But you can keybind IWT to "4".
You can have a spell or macro on keys 1 through 3.
You can glue a popsicle stick across keys 1-4, and mash them all at once.

Agree, but then again, no one glues a popsicle stick across these keys. Another point that needs to be dropped as an arguement period. Oh btw, have you ever tried hitting 4 keys at one physically, even with a popsicle stick? cause the game client doesn't always get all of the keys that are pressed...

Interact With Target, like Mind Freeze, like /assist [target=focus], like "W" to move forward, like a lot of other actions is off of the GCD. Meaning you can freely combine that keybind with another action as often as you like, and Blizzard does not mind this. nder the current rules of the game, combining the IWT Keybind with another keystroke will not get you in trouble or subject your account to disciplinary action.


Actually, you can't combine IWT with any keybind ingame since you can't macro IWT, it has to be its own keypress. This brings up another point, spamming multiple keys tied to a singular key. The justification used on this is that the keys that all of the macros are tied to can be placed on the bar, and then another macro that does a "click bar button" line for each of the bar is created and the key for that master bar button clicker is used. since IWT, or any movement key can not be scripted, macroed, inside the wow UI, you are again doing something that fails the litmus test, and is thus against TOU.

Bottom line.
It is a tool that Blizzard is okay with your using.
Decide if you want to take advantage of it, or not.

So far that means a boxing software such as HKN/IS Boxer, possibly others.
Or one of the addons that can send a different key output for Key Up and Key Down.

I think you missed the point of the exercise. that being that while you have used something for over a year or just a day and have not been banned isn't proof that it isn't against the TOU. It just that bliz doesn't abide by their own stated rules or that you haven't been detected yet. This leads you to the conclusion that Blizzard is ok with its use which can't be concluded from what is available.

BTW, continuing to ponder over this, I have become interested in if even programmable keyboards can be sensative to doing an full blow keypress on up. From what I have seen, this is not possible using non altered drivers. Thus your "keyup" events doesn't even exist outside of AHK, KHN, and ISboxer in a fashion that can be used ingame, or any other program. You "advantage" doesn't exist through means ingame because IWT can not be macroed to utalize clickbutton macros. thus, its fails the litmus test of being duplicatble inside of wow, and thus an exploitation of software to gain advantage not otherwise available to other players.

I reinterate, please stop kidding yourself that key-up events can be duplicated in a fashion to utalize interact with target. Spam macros and alternate bar states as much you want as a Turing machine would. But until there is a console command available that can be executed inside a macro, IWT spamming combined with a dps macro in a physical keypress which includes keydown keyup OS keyboard events fails legimacy.

I see the post about chaning the states at which a key press issues a command to theoccur, however, the blue post mention does not have anything said about being able to keybind for a keyup action, nor can the addon specifically bind an action to a key-up event.

Its continues to make me laugh about all of the signs that are ignored by community members on this. the current API waits for the keyup event to issue the command from the keydown event. Isn't this proof positive evidance that although currently, blizard considers a keypress to conclude only on the key - up action and thus key-up can't be considered its own funtion in the blizzard ui?

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You can glue a popsicle stick across keys 1-4, and mash them all at once.

Agree, but then again, no one glues a popsicle stick across these keys. Another point that needs to be dropped as an arguement period. Oh btw, have you ever tried hitting 4 keys at one physically, even with a popsicle stick? cause the game client doesn't always get all of the keys that are pressed...

Hi. you are a) wrong (credit goes to Kromtor: http://76.74.159.78/modules.jpg; technical note: he does not appear to have used GLUE to create this rig, so if you want to be right THAT bad you can be right) and b) missing the point of the thought experiment. If your glue rig isn't sufficient to press the keys you intended it to press, then your glue rig sucks. Don't blame the concept.

Did you ALSO know that many keyboards have a limitation on the number of keys they will recognize as being pressed at the same time? So if you glued a popsicle stick to 10 keys on the same keyboard, and press it, even the OS won't recognize them all as being pressed? Not all keyboards have this limitation, but if you want something that makes more sense than sucking at gluing things, here's a freebie

Interact With Target, like Mind Freeze, like /assist [target=focus], like "W" to move forward, like a lot of other actions is off of the GCD. Meaning you can freely combine that keybind with another action as often as you like, and Blizzard does not mind this. nder the current rules of the game, combining the IWT Keybind with another keystroke will not get you in trouble or subject your account to disciplinary action.

Actually, you can't combine IWT with any keybind ingame since you can't macro IWT, it has to be its own keypress. This brings up another point, spamming multiple keys tied to a singular key. The justification used on this is that the keys that all of the macros are tied to can be placed on the bar, and then another macro that does a "click bar button" line for each of the bar is created and the key for that master bar button clicker is used. since IWT, or any movement key can not be scripted, macroed, inside the wow UI, you are again doing something that fails the litmus test, and is thus against TOU.

I think you missed the point of the exercise. that being that while you have used something for over a year or just a day and have not been banned isn't proof that it isn't against the TOU. It just that bliz doesn't abide by their own stated rules or that you haven't been detected yet. This leads you to the conclusion that Blizzard is ok with its use which can't be concluded from what is available.

Dude you're like a Tea Partier defending their vision of the constitution, rather than what the constitution actually says -- or without having read it at all. http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-passionate-defender-of-what-he-imagines-c,2849/
.... SO SAYETH THE TOU:
TWO KEYS INSTEAD OF ONE,
YOUR ACCOUNT IS DONE!

And all of this misses the entire point of the rules.

The rules are there to protect Blizzard. Blizzard wants to sell this game to millions of people, and are obviously doing well at it. Part of this is because they try to make sure that everyone feels they are on the same playing field, that your time investment in the game is worth as much as someone else's time investment in the game so that you don't feel cheated. When people feel cheated, e.g. because they see someone else hacking the game and getting something that they worked hard or spent a lot of time getting, they no longer want to play the game. Therefore, rules.

Nobody gives a shit if you are physically pressing 1 key, or physically pressing 2 keys, and they also have no idea whether you are physically pressing 1 key, or physically pressing 2 keys. There is absolutely no way for anyone to verify that you are in fact, pressing ALL of these keys yourself, unless you do something like take a video showing it. If you think there are less than HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who have macros either through multiboxing software or other input device hardware/software, who make a single button that presses TWO buttons instead of just ONE, your head is in the sand.

I am not suggesting that you don't listen to GMs. You should. They are there to help make sure that everyone's game experience is enjoyable. But these are people, and they have their own opinions, their own way of describing things, and so on. They are just as imperfect as you. Let's not pretend that anything and everything a GM says should be (or should be considered to be) written into the TOU.

Here's an example... there used to be a feature where you could click on the minimap (or initiate any minimap ping, as I understand it) in order to aim your ground-targeted AOE spells. So people did that. GM Malkorix made the following statement:

Currently, using pre-recorded x,y coordinates (a function not supported by the default UI at all), to target or cast a spell is functionality outside of our Terms of Use.

I would strongly advise shying away from this program, if it is causing mouse moves (even simulated mouse moves) to occur in response to user inputs.

Mouse moves are the purview of the user, not a program.

That's a pretty damning statement made against a particular product that I believe isn't allowed for discussion here. There are numerous possible interpretations of these GM's statements. There are some absolutely stupid conclusions that can be drawn from these statements, and these are things that would be considered a Golden Rule here on dual-boxing.com. For example... the middle statement implies that the ONLY thing that should be moving the mouse cursor, is "a mouse". But it's just a fucking cursor, it is a point on the monitor and it can be moved in many ways by many types of input controls. The fact that it's controlled by the mouse most of the time is kind of just a coincidence. Let's roll with this though. Couple more concepts. Some laptops (probably very few these days) used to have a little nub that you hold and press in a particular direction in order to move the mouse. Like a thumbstick without the stick. You can't physically move this nub around on your desk, you have to hold it in a particular direction like a joystick, and it can move the cursor faster or slower depending on how hard you are pushing it. And the cursor movement is probably handled... in software (DUN DUN DUN!). You could say that it "simulates mouse moves to occur in response to user inputs", and that therefore it "fails the litmus test and is against the TOU". Right? Wrong: There is nothing about this in the TOU. However, it did fail the GM's litmus test.

There's videos of people playing WoW with Kinect. Kinect can move the cursor, but only through software. You're standing there staring at the screen and waving your arm around, not touching the mouse. The software is causing mouse moves to occur in response to your inputs. Litmus test: failed.

Mouse broadcasting. Software is causing mouse moves to occur in response to your inputs. Litmus test: failed.

Recently I implemented Video Feeds in ISBoxer (where you can see part of window B from inside window A), and as of the last week or so, these feeds now have the option of being fully interactive -- including the mouse. Video Feeds can be scaled however you want, and placed anywhere. So technically, not only are mouse moves being simulated to the video feed source's window (window B), pre-determined location information is used to place the cursor in the right area in that window. Litmus tests: failed failed failed.

But I left something out. When I first implemented Video Feeds, I specifically avoided making them interactive AT ALL, because of these "litmus tests". Then I asked Blizzard about it, and by that I don't mean I petitioned to ask a GM, this is higher up in the ability-to-ban-you (and even detect-you) chain. I showed a screenshot of my GUI with the video feeds, described exactly how it would work, explained that this would involve offsetting and scaling the mouse position to match the feed, etc. After a couple weeks, the response I got is as follows: "While we can't officially endorse it from our end, this seems like a pretty cool feature to us." Litmus test: passed.

Moral of the story: GM does not equal EULA/TOU.

I also HAVE to quote this EQ2 GM http://eq2wire.com/2009/12/22/son-of-banhammer/ - original post linked from there, I google the eq2wire article when I need to find this:

There hasn't been a change to policy or the EULA.
That clause has always been there. That is what allows us to nuke the farmers and plat sellers that we all loathe so much.
If you're not doing something you shouldn't be doing, multi-boxing is fine.
Those who wish to look for loopholes to allow them to do it in shady ways always will. There is nothing in there that says you cannot multi-box. It just says you can't use a program to automate it.
People are over-reacting and troll-feeding. And really... holiday weight gain or no, the trolls don't need the extra calories.
Please stop trying to read into it anything that says we're going to start nuking our legitimate players for playing more than one account at a time...

There was a huge uproar over whether multiboxers would be banned in EQ2 (p.s. it's been a year and a half and they haven't banned people for multiboxing). This is the response. The GM is describing you. The GM, and the article, are both saying exactly what is described on the "Is ISBoxer Allowed?" page: http://isboxer.com/index.php/is-isboxer-allowed. (Recommended reading!)

TL;DR: Litmus tests are bullshit