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    Wow! I'll be honest, I wasn't expecting this response. It seems that I am not an outlier.

    Cat was a waste of money. Apart from it bring VERY clear that WoW has been put into a "bleed these suckers for every penny we can get" mode, It tried to bring PvP to what it was back in BC. This is all good (I loved BC) but ultimately doesn't work with the disgusting level of class homogenization.

    There is no way to fix the game at this point other than to start taking abilities away from people. Let's take a look at how much homogenization we have... this is just what I can think up off the top of my head. A lot of it relates all the way back to BC, so if you don't know what I'm talking about, likely its a BC ability / talent.

    Ability copied and changed -> Class
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    Blink -> Warlocks, warriors
    Sprint/dash -> lol everyone
    Evasion -> Hunters
    Bloodlust -> Mages, hunters
    Charge -> druids
    Polymorph -> Shamans
    Blizzard -> everyone
    Stuns -> everyone
    Entangling Roots -> Shamans
    Frost Trap -> Mages, Deathknights
    Concussive shot (BC version) -> Mages
    Disarm -> Spriest, rogues... LOL Love the Spriest one.
    Blessing of Freedom -> DKs, hunters
    Improved Counter spell -> DK strangulate
    HoTs -> Shaman
    Soul Link -> Hunters
    Dispel ->Everyone
    Insane (I can't be killed) buttons:
    Dispersion, Disengage, Ice Block, Survival Instincts, Shield Wall, Bubble, evasion (Lol at evasion changes), Knockbacks, AoE stuns, fears, sheeps', silences.
    I could go on and on...
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    I hated Wrath for the very reason my signature states. It wasn't a thinking game, it was who ever could mash more buttons, had more Rets / DKs, and could burst a target down first.

    It seems that Cat is the same thing... But it's now who ever can mash more CC macros.
    BC Arena was a game of Chess, the goal being to outthink and checkmate your opponent.

    WotLK was also a game of Chess, the goal now being to take a turd on the chess board before your opponent could move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lpwned View Post
    Wow! I'll be honest, I wasn't expecting this response. It seems that I am not an outlier.

    Cat was a waste of money. Apart from it bring VERY clear that WoW has been put into a "bleed these suckers for every penny we can get" mode, It tried to bring PvP to what it was back in BC. This is all good (I loved BC) but ultimately doesn't work with the disgusting level of class homogenization.

    There is no way to fix the game at this point other than to start taking abilities away from people. Let's take a look at how much homogenization we have... this is just what I can think up off the top of my head. A lot of it relates all the way back to BC, so if you don't know what I'm talking about, likely its a BC ability / talent.

    Ability copied and changed -> Class
    _________________________________
    Blink -> Warlocks, warriors
    Sprint/dash -> lol everyone
    Evasion -> Hunters
    Bloodlust -> Mages, hunters
    Charge -> druids
    Polymorph -> Shamans
    Blizzard -> everyone
    Stuns -> everyone
    Entangling Roots -> Shamans
    Frost Trap -> Mages, Deathknights
    Concussive shot (BC version) -> Mages
    Disarm -> Spriest, rogues... LOL Love the Spriest one.
    Blessing of Freedom -> DKs, hunters
    Improved Counter spell -> DK strangulate
    HoTs -> Shaman
    Soul Link -> Hunters
    Dispel ->Everyone
    Insane (I can't be killed) buttons:
    Dispersion, Disengage, Ice Block, Survival Instincts, Shield Wall, Bubble, evasion (Lol at evasion changes), Knockbacks, AoE stuns, fears, sheeps', silences.
    I could go on and on...
    _________________________________


    I hated Wrath for the very reason my signature states. It wasn't a thinking game, it was who ever could mash more buttons, had more Rets / DKs, and could burst a target down first.

    It seems that Cat is the same thing... But it's now who ever can mash more CC macros.
    As a response to the pvp concerns they decided feral druids being able to break roots after 6 years should go away.
    I liked being feral even if it meant I wasn't the best. Cataclysm is a mess, more so than I remember the other xpac's being honestly. Nostalgia is funny, I liked BC a lot but I remember being frustrated a lot but never this much.
    Glad, so to speak, to see I am not the only one who has problems with Cataclysm. Was starting to think I just simply sucked really really bad.

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    I hope that in the future Blizzard will open realms for old expension. Level 60, 70 or 80 max level cap so if you choose a WotLK realm, your just in the last patch that has been made for that expension. I don't think cata is bad, but arena is the thing i enjoy the most on my realm. I have deserted my shamans, now going to level DKs. I'm leveling them now i got 4 DK's on level 70, and don't really mind leveling them. Just not looking forward to 70-78 since i hate wotlk leveling.

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    Roll Deathnights! Shamans days are over in my opinion.
    “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
    Epicurus

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinotnoir View Post
    Roll Deathnights! Shamans days are over in my opinion.
    I would... and started to.

    Unfortunately the thought of quad-questing through Wrath again makes me want to punch babies.
    BC Arena was a game of Chess, the goal being to outthink and checkmate your opponent.

    WotLK was also a game of Chess, the goal now being to take a turd on the chess board before your opponent could move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lpwned View Post
    I would... and started to.

    Unfortunately the thought of quad-questing through Wrath again makes me want to punch babies.

    Well, I joined the club. Cancelled all 10 accounts just now. I feel like I did most of the new content and what is there just isn't as much fun as the previous expansions. It's a great game, and I am sure I'll be back later on.

    Anyway, good luck all. Have fun!
    Pally, mage, druid, priest and shaman on Staghelm.

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    So far I have gone from 5 accounts -> 2 and those are done when the game time is up. I absolutely love warcraft, have all the CEs, listen to the game music when I am not playing, read the books, etc. Cata was awesome the first time I played through. The phasing from the single player perspective is awesome, truly felt like I was making a difference in the game world while questing. Problem with that is once you are done, you can't go back and help other guildies/alts because of all the phasing.

    So I figured I would go ahead and just try to gear up my tank. So I went and looked at my rep to see what I have to go get some starter gear, or who I should work on first so I can get my ilvl up enough to run heroics in PUGs until the guildies lvled. Oh wait I gotta run heroics with tabards to get my rep up to get the starter gear to be able to run heroics??
    Ok, so that means I have to resort to making some gear. So look up the recipes. Ok so now I just need to lvl my blacksmith to get to the twilight highlands to be able to get the recipes, check the mats on the recipes and, i need the orbs from heroics to make the gear????????????????????

    After going through all that, well I would say something is wrong. I am not really up for spending weeks to go through all this stuff just to get back to where I can do the stuff I like. And leveling more toons while I wait hoping blizzard fixes the gear paradox, well I agree with everyone above. I just can make myself do all that over again.

    I think the thing that is disappointing me the most, is I want to like the game.

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    I have been playing WoW since November 2004. I have quit a few times here and there. I was on a quit spell when the introduction of Cata was made. After some review, and playing a friends Beta, I couldnt be happier.

    I am one of the few players, I think, who hated WotLK. HATED it. Over the years, I have watched content get easier and easier, and then to WotLK... where it was so much instant gratification of "gimme epix"

    The game was developed, started, and grew in popularity because of how content was in vanilla. It was a real accomplishment to see a guy in full T1 or T2 or, if you were lucky to find one, in full T3, standing around in a major city. Very impressive. It took dedication, and strive, play skill, improvisation when things go wrong, (and do it smart), in order to get a particular boss down.

    The game evolved into, [Run in, AOE tank, AOE heal, AOE dps], YAY epics! and the boss fights werent that hard. [Stand here, dps or dont dps, move some, perhaps, then loot.] I was very disappointed.

    For me, (and I do recognize this is only one opinion on the subject), Cata is a step towards catering to the group of individuals that made WoW popular and successful in the first place. A Tribute sort of. There is still the "badge" gear, else the most of the gear is earned... truly earned.

    Example: I had gone into a group dual boxing with other member of my guild. I told the mage, to sheep moon, and the lock to banish the diamond. BOTH of them... the mage says, "ok, hang on, I dont have that on my bar." The lock says "wait! what do you mean banish, I dont have a banish." (These players are new players since Wrath.)

    LFG in vanilla was, "LF Fire Mage for MC!"
    LFG in BC was, "LF Mage for BT"
    LFG in Wrath was "LF DPS for Naxx"
    Then its a "click me for a group, we dont care what your spec or class is, its all gooood."
    LFG in Cata is now "LF Fire Mage for BoT"

    Anyone else see the "dumbing down" there?

    No. I rather enjoy the new content.

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    I feel bad now Like I have been the catalyst in a big quitting wave. I see a lot of fairly well known names in this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apps View Post
    I am one of the few players, I think, who hated WotLK. HATED it. Over the years, I have watched content get easier and easier, and then to WotLK...



    You’re not alone.

    WotLK felt SO cheap to me.


    Most people don’t even know that Naxx was a rip off. It was a level 60 instance, and it was the EXACT same as it was at 80 (+ some HP and damage). Literally, they changed nothing! Same abilities, same encounters, same strategies, but as you all can imagine without the ‘LOL I WIN’ button that was given to all the classes in Wrath, it was an incredibly hard instance.


    They were really that lazy and cheap. They just moved a 40 man instance from level 60 to 80, made it a 25 man and sold it as a $50 expansion… Hated Wrath with a passion!


    Edit: And if you want a good LOL, go Google the warrior T3 set that was dropped in the ORIGINAL Naxx. I think you Wrath lovers will suddenly love Naxx a little less… sloppy seconds sold as new content. YAY FOR WRATH
    Last edited by Lpwned : 01-22-2011 at 06:04 AM
    BC Arena was a game of Chess, the goal being to outthink and checkmate your opponent.

    WotLK was also a game of Chess, the goal now being to take a turd on the chess board before your opponent could move.

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