Mosg2's DK Manifesto

[Mercbeast]

People are forgetting about hungering cold.

[tanknspanker]

People are forgetting about hungering cold.

not really ^^ page 16 is full of hungering cold sertainly last posts on that page

[Ualaa]

Lichborne, if warlocks/priests are running at your group.
Or if you're going at a group that includes them.
Possibly warriors, but I'd be inclined to expect them to cleave us, not scatter us.

Pillars of Frost, when you go against an Elemental Shammy, Boomkin or Fire Mage.
Not a huge deal, unless you're near a cliff.

The Anti-Magic Shell, I've used a lot.
Even though I've not pvp'd with DK's yet.
It has come in handy against mobs.

Don't think I've ever used Strangulate, Icebound Fortitude or Hungering Cold.

But Hungering Cold will be worthwhile on round-robin.

[Noids]

Hungering Cold is amazing for PvP and PvE IMO. I am just running a 4 DK team to level at the moment as I already have 1 DK at 80 and am too lazy to get another character to 60 to level with them.

Despite not having a full group I hungering cold round robin every minute has let me complete both Hellfire instances at level without a 5th member and only with having one toon specced blood.

In PvP I tend to go in and blow a hungering cold early just to keep everyone in the same place and throw them off their guard/burn trinkets at the start of a fight. It is unbelievable that with 4 frosties we can pop this 10 second group freeze every 15 seconds continuously if we wanted to. I am only 64 at the moment and can't wait until 70 to see what howling blast feels like, because this team seems to be out of control at the moment even without a healer.

I have hungering cold, death grip and strangulate all set to round robin for use in PvP. I mainly use strangulate on the pesky mage that is immune to my death grip and is a pain in the ass to kill, whilst I kill his mates first. Once the target is in range of course mind blast locks them down nicely but ranged strangulate is really nice for support casters who pick your team off while you are killing your primary target.

Really enjoying this team at the moment, just wish I could skip the 55-80 grind and get into the real stuff :P

[Mercbeast]

Ya, Hungering Cold brings a whole new aspect to the group. You basically have two approaches to DPS, HB and then single target DPS via hungering cold. Both are going to work great I think.

[remanz]

Ok i just needed to post this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEbC5UukrAA

premades vs premades.

dks hit for...

howling blast non crit: 6kish
howling blast crit: 12kish
frost strike non crit: 8k
necrotic strike non crit: 4kish
oblit crits: 20k ish
autoattack crits: 6kish
blood strike non crit: 3kish

assuming no crits... we're looking at a basic rotation of

howling blast x 2> necrotic strike x 2 > blood strike x 2> frost strike x 4 > howling blast x 4 > necrotic x 2 > frost strike x 4

12k > 8k > 6k > 40k > 24k > 8k > 40k total time elapsed = 20 seconds damage done = 140k dps = 6.9k per dk

total damage for 4 dks over 20 seconds = 560k or 28k dps meaning it will take between 4 and 7 seconds to kill someone. average 5 second rotation would be something like 40k per dk or so

there really is no burst other than a barrage of frost strikes, especially because crit is so low at 85.

but if you notice how long it takes the dk to die... it is damage that can be healed through (us healing through them), with anti-healing and such we have the advantage. we don't however have enough burst to kill someone in a single shot like shamans do, they will be the only class to global someone on a regular basis.

TLDR: theres nothing to nerf.

found a vid of pvp set druid only getting crit for 15k by lavaburst... just to let ya know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2vBDwK5BpU&feature=fvst

From those videos, the amount HP at level 85 is disheartening. Burst is no longer the game.
The retribution paladin in the video is pathetic. Can't even go toe to toe against the frost dk in melee.

[tanknspanker]

@Ualaa:

When I press Spacebar down, it sends IWT and F9 to my DK's. F9 is HB. On release of Spacebar it sends IWT and Shift-F9, Alt-F9, Ctrl-F9, Shift/Alt-F9, Shift/Alt/Ctrl-F9, and Ctrl/Alt-F9 to the DK's. Those buttons are more HB's, Frost Strikes, and the Plague Strike/Blood Strike castsequence.

sorry to bump this, but is this done in multiple steps? or 1 step multiple actions?


AND isnt there a solution for the scatter-effect? when they all run away

[Shodokan]

I just wanna point out, this comp can't do quite a few of the fights in heroics. Yes this is a PVP discussion so i'll keep it short.

Example: anti-melee mobs that need to be kited around, anti-melee mobs that straight up need to be killed by ranged... etc. tol'vir and halls are some examples of these types of fights.

[tanknspanker]

I just wanna point out, this comp can't do quite a few of the fights in heroics. Yes this is a PVP discussion so i'll keep it short.

Example: anti-melee mobs that need to be kited around, anti-melee mobs that straight up need to be killed by ranged... etc. tol'vir and halls are some examples of these types of fights.

so u got the dks and the shamans what do u prefer atm?

[tanknspanker]

double post -.-