Holy crap -- PvP changes

[Eloxy]

If top tier weapons, mounts, titles aren't enough reward for you, I heard the lego MMO is coming out soon.


/goes to look outside.


Nope, sky is not falling.

No skyisfalling over this at all, it's. The fact that wow is evolving into sumthing Thats not the game I started to play. Maby you like mounts and titles, great for you nothing wrong with that. But I think I speak for the majority of the pvp/arena comunity when I say that getting 1800 rating isn't cool just cuz u get 1800 rating. It's the fact that you've worked hard for and earned a new uppgrade you can be proud of and enhances you character. Achies pets mounts are fun and all but it wouldn't be cool if u beat deathwing on harmode and you get "drums" a deathwing minipet to show off!!

Not fun just...not fun

[Svpernova09]

I came back in the middle of the season so I pretty much went through the same thing. I started with deadly gear, then furious, then relentless, and now wrathful. There was a progression of gear upgrades and trying out different things to advance in ranking.

In PVP reaching a certain ranking is like beating a hard boss and just because people are unable to reach a certain point doesn't necessary mean you should get rid of that point. It'll be like saying "well u guys are having a problem beating this boss, so I'll tell you what just keep grinding the mobs for couple weeks and I'll give u the drops from this boss you cannot beat"



Lol I'm sure alot of non-boxers say this about boxers and how it takes no skill, but as most here would know its not that easy and u can probably count the number of teams that have reached 2k with two hands and 2.2k+ with one hand.

Oh an I'm full wrathful and have had a team destroy one of my guys before I could even blow bloodlust. Now that is some coordination and skill on their part.


Atleast for me, removing ranking req is like removing all the bosses for a raid. Then it becomes just a grind fest for points which is very disappointing, but I'll still continue to do it in the name of killing more alliance.

I still disagree, especially when the top 100 5's teams in US Bloodlust are 2360+ If you're in a BG that has only 5 2.2k rated teams, you're in a terribly shitty BG

[Svpernova09]

No skyisfalling over this at all, it's. The fact that wow is evolving into sumthing Thats not the game I started to play. Maby you like mounts and titles, great for you nothing wrong with that. But I think I speak for the majority of the pvp/arena comunity when I say that getting 1800 rating isn't cool just cuz u get 1800 rating. It's the fact that you've worked hard for and earned a new uppgrade you can be proud of and enhances you character. Achies pets mounts are fun and all but it wouldn't be cool if u beat deathwing on harmode and you get "drums" a deathwing minipet to show off!!

Not fun just...not fun

I agree, WoW is evolving, as it always has. Even season to season it's been a different game for most classes. I do like mounts and titles and such. You can armory any of my toons. I've never been a hard mode instance clearer, I've never been glad.

I just don't think rating requirements for your gear is the answer. They already do gear color reskins. All of the T10, you can tell at a glance if the person is 251, 264, or 277. I imagine the same will be for the arena sets. I understand getting to 1800 is an accomplishment. I'm currently clawing my way there myself. I may make it, I may not. If I don't make it I didn't have any less fun getting there. I just don't like the idea of being held back by gear when I can't get the gear I need because I'm being held back.

In PvE you've always been able to farm your points daily. You could be in a terrible ICC guild and still gear up via frost badges. Hell, T9 and T10 you could get an entire 5pc set just from grinding heroics. These arena changes are just bringing PvP gearing in line with PvE.

[smokebum]

I still disagree, especially when the top 100 5's teams in US Bloodlust are 2360+ If you're in a BG that has only 5 2.2k rated teams, you're in a terribly shitty BG

If there are more higher ranked team, wouldn't that mean there are more teams playing? So u don't have to fight the same team over and over and get farmed?

Or even better yet, fighting people around ur ranking instead of fighting low ranked teams that are geared for 1 point wins and 22 point loses.

I don't know how most feel but I would love to have more high ranked teams, instead of the low ranked teams that got their t2 weapon from 3s and now doing 5s who take me for 20 points.

[Vecter]

It's not only about arena anymore, it will be about arena AND rated BG's. Keeping rating on gear could potentially cause a pretty big advantage in a rated BG so taking away the rating could lessen gear as a reason for a potential win or loss. You will still need your skill, teamwork and knowledge of comps. Plus you still have to get the points and we do not know all of their plans for that yet.

[Mosg2]

I understand what you're saying Eloxy, but as Svpernova said the system as it's set up now just doesn't function--If you were able to get a high rating early and get geared you've got a huge advantage over someone that started even a month later than you. It should be skill=gear, not igotto2200first=gear.

Lets not forget that you *still* get a better weapon than everyone else and you *still* will have either a BG or Arena rating to show that you're "skilled".

[Svpernova09]

If there are more higher ranked team, wouldn't that mean there are more teams playing? So u don't have to fight the same team over and over and get farmed?

Or even better yet, fighting people around ur ranking instead of fighting low ranked teams that are geared for 1 point wins and 22 point loses.

I don't know how most feel but I would love to have more high ranked teams, instead of the low ranked teams that got their t2 weapon from 3s and now doing 5s who take me for 20 points.

On Monday nights, 5pm -10pm PST(the best time my team has found that there are the most teams queing) My arena team can do about 30-45 matches. In those 30-45, We'll see the same team at least 4 - 5 teams. Some we'll even get back to back. And out of those matches we'll see *very* few teams within 200 points of our MMR. Most teams we get are 2100+ or sub 1500.

[Alemi]

I still disagree, especially when the top 100 5's teams in US Bloodlust are 2360+ If you're in a BG that has only 5 2.2k rated teams, you're in a terribly shitty BG

Another flaw in the PVP system design. Retaliation is a terribly shitty BG. At 1500, i'm in the top 225. But what's the incentive for teams to play that are already 2k+? None. Get your rating on the 5s team in the first few weeks and then get your points from 3s to get all your gear.

Granted this is by far the longest season, ever. But, there's absolutely no incentive to continue playing arena. I like the change of the rating requirements being removed. I don't want to fight teams that undergear me, or overgear me.

I do agree with you that rating requirements removal isn't a big deal (and yes, I've been doing arenas since S2 boxing along with Smokey).

In PVP reaching a certain ranking is like beating a hard boss and just because people are unable to reach a certain point doesn't necessary mean you should get rid of that point. It'll be like saying "well u guys are having a problem beating this boss, so I'll tell you what just keep grinding the mobs for couple weeks and I'll give u the drops from this boss you cannot beat"

This would be an applicable analogy only if said raid boss was consistently getting harder, gaining new abilities and gear, which is not the case. Or if you HAD to beat a certain team to advance your rating, which is not the case. Apples to oranges.

[Svpernova09]

Another flaw in the PVP system design. Retaliation is a terribly shitty BG. At 1500, i'm in the top 225. But what's the incentive for teams to play that are already 2k+? None. Get your rating on the 5s team in the first few weeks and then get your points from 3s to get all your gear.

Granted this is by far the longest season, ever. But, there's absolutely no incentive to continue playing arena. I like the change of the rating requirements being removed. I don't want to fight teams that undergear me, or overgear me.

I do agree with you that rating requirements removal isn't a big deal (and yes, I've been doing arenas since S2 boxing along with Smokey).



This would be an applicable analogy only if said raid boss was consistently getting harder, gaining new abilities and gear, which is not the case. Or if you HAD to beat a certain team to advance your rating, which is not the case. Apples to oranges.

I agree with the lack of incentive, my biggest gripe since I've been doing arenas the past 2 months is the lack of diversity in teams we get matched up against. Seems like any given night there is only a handful of teams playing.

[smokebum]

On Monday nights, 5pm -10pm PST(the best time my team has found that there are the most teams queing) My arena team can do about 30-45 matches. In those 30-45, We'll see the same team at least 4 - 5 teams. Some we'll even get back to back. And out of those matches we'll see *very* few teams within 200 points of our MMR. Most teams we get are 2100+ or sub 1500.

I play all different days and times cuz of my schedule, but I will say I've been in que for more then 30 mins just to lose 15-20 points on a Monday. Every time we lose, I pray to god for less then a 10 point lose, cuz most of the time it is way more. Also have had ton of teams that were geared giving us 2 points for a win.

Although I've never played in a high populated bg, I always assumed it would be alot easier with more teams around my rating playing.