Holy crap -- PvP changes

[Svpernova09]

I came back in the middle of the season so I pretty much went through the same thing. I started with deadly gear, then furious, then relentless, and now wrathful. There was a progression of gear upgrades and trying out different things to advance in ranking.

In PVP reaching a certain ranking is like beating a hard boss and just because people are unable to reach a certain point doesn't necessary mean you should get rid of that point. It'll be like saying "well u guys are having a problem beating this boss, so I'll tell you what just keep grinding the mobs for couple weeks and I'll give u the drops from this boss you cannot beat"



Lol I'm sure alot of non-boxers say this about boxers and how it takes no skill, but as most here would know its not that easy and u can probably count the number of teams that have reached 2k with two hands and 2.2k+ with one hand.

Oh an I'm full wrathful and have had a team destroy one of my guys before I could even blow bloodlust. Now that is some coordination and skill on their part.


Atleast for me, removing ranking req is like removing all the bosses for a raid. Then it becomes just a grind fest for points which is very disappointing, but I'll still continue to do it in the name of killing more alliance.

I still disagree, especially when the top 100 5's teams in US Bloodlust are 2360+ If you're in a BG that has only 5 2.2k rated teams, you're in a terribly shitty BG

[smokebum]

I still disagree, especially when the top 100 5's teams in US Bloodlust are 2360+ If you're in a BG that has only 5 2.2k rated teams, you're in a terribly shitty BG

If there are more higher ranked team, wouldn't that mean there are more teams playing? So u don't have to fight the same team over and over and get farmed?

Or even better yet, fighting people around ur ranking instead of fighting low ranked teams that are geared for 1 point wins and 22 point loses.

I don't know how most feel but I would love to have more high ranked teams, instead of the low ranked teams that got their t2 weapon from 3s and now doing 5s who take me for 20 points.

[Vecter]

It's not only about arena anymore, it will be about arena AND rated BG's. Keeping rating on gear could potentially cause a pretty big advantage in a rated BG so taking away the rating could lessen gear as a reason for a potential win or loss. You will still need your skill, teamwork and knowledge of comps. Plus you still have to get the points and we do not know all of their plans for that yet.

[Svpernova09]

If there are more higher ranked team, wouldn't that mean there are more teams playing? So u don't have to fight the same team over and over and get farmed?

Or even better yet, fighting people around ur ranking instead of fighting low ranked teams that are geared for 1 point wins and 22 point loses.

I don't know how most feel but I would love to have more high ranked teams, instead of the low ranked teams that got their t2 weapon from 3s and now doing 5s who take me for 20 points.

On Monday nights, 5pm -10pm PST(the best time my team has found that there are the most teams queing) My arena team can do about 30-45 matches. In those 30-45, We'll see the same team at least 4 - 5 teams. Some we'll even get back to back. And out of those matches we'll see *very* few teams within 200 points of our MMR. Most teams we get are 2100+ or sub 1500.

[smokebum]

On Monday nights, 5pm -10pm PST(the best time my team has found that there are the most teams queing) My arena team can do about 30-45 matches. In those 30-45, We'll see the same team at least 4 - 5 teams. Some we'll even get back to back. And out of those matches we'll see *very* few teams within 200 points of our MMR. Most teams we get are 2100+ or sub 1500.

I play all different days and times cuz of my schedule, but I will say I've been in que for more then 30 mins just to lose 15-20 points on a Monday. Every time we lose, I pray to god for less then a 10 point lose, cuz most of the time it is way more. Also have had ton of teams that were geared giving us 2 points for a win.

Although I've never played in a high populated bg, I always assumed it would be alot easier with more teams around my rating playing.

[pinotnoir]

Equal gear for everyone and then see who is actually good or who is being helped by gear advantage. I say let everyone have the same gear so skill is the deciding factor not gear.

[heyaz]

Equal gear for everyone and then see who is actually good or who is being helped by gear advantage. I say let everyone have the same gear so skill is the deciding factor not gear.

That's a different type of game. MMOs hook people in by allowing progression and rewarding you for both skill and grinding. Although I think there can be a balance... if you remember Vanilla, where if you tried to roll an alt, you had no chance at ever gearing them up unless you were already in a top raiding guild and got handed gear right off the bat by filling a role that was needed, or by doing that atrocious rank grind system. That was too much. Being able to grind out pvp and pve gear from 2 seasons ago was a start, but maybe not enough. This new system could work... if they do it right.

[Alemi]

I still disagree, especially when the top 100 5's teams in US Bloodlust are 2360+ If you're in a BG that has only 5 2.2k rated teams, you're in a terribly shitty BG

Another flaw in the PVP system design. Retaliation is a terribly shitty BG. At 1500, i'm in the top 225. But what's the incentive for teams to play that are already 2k+? None. Get your rating on the 5s team in the first few weeks and then get your points from 3s to get all your gear.

Granted this is by far the longest season, ever. But, there's absolutely no incentive to continue playing arena. I like the change of the rating requirements being removed. I don't want to fight teams that undergear me, or overgear me.

I do agree with you that rating requirements removal isn't a big deal (and yes, I've been doing arenas since S2 boxing along with Smokey).

In PVP reaching a certain ranking is like beating a hard boss and just because people are unable to reach a certain point doesn't necessary mean you should get rid of that point. It'll be like saying "well u guys are having a problem beating this boss, so I'll tell you what just keep grinding the mobs for couple weeks and I'll give u the drops from this boss you cannot beat"

This would be an applicable analogy only if said raid boss was consistently getting harder, gaining new abilities and gear, which is not the case. Or if you HAD to beat a certain team to advance your rating, which is not the case. Apples to oranges.

[Svpernova09]

Another flaw in the PVP system design. Retaliation is a terribly shitty BG. At 1500, i'm in the top 225. But what's the incentive for teams to play that are already 2k+? None. Get your rating on the 5s team in the first few weeks and then get your points from 3s to get all your gear.

Granted this is by far the longest season, ever. But, there's absolutely no incentive to continue playing arena. I like the change of the rating requirements being removed. I don't want to fight teams that undergear me, or overgear me.

I do agree with you that rating requirements removal isn't a big deal (and yes, I've been doing arenas since S2 boxing along with Smokey).



This would be an applicable analogy only if said raid boss was consistently getting harder, gaining new abilities and gear, which is not the case. Or if you HAD to beat a certain team to advance your rating, which is not the case. Apples to oranges.

I agree with the lack of incentive, my biggest gripe since I've been doing arenas the past 2 months is the lack of diversity in teams we get matched up against. Seems like any given night there is only a handful of teams playing.

[Alemi]

I agree with the lack of incentive, my biggest gripe since I've been doing arenas the past 2 months is the lack of diversity in teams we get matched up against. Seems like any given night there is only a handful of teams playing.

Same thing for me. I played, probably 50 games last night (nothing else to do) and probably faced 15 teams. Of those 15 teams, a number of full wrathful rerolls or MMRs that were SO out of line with mine it was insane. (ex: 1600 MMR vs. 2100 MMR).

When the gates open and I see 2 warriors with 40k health and an ele shaman with 34k, I just fetal position.