Cata not so MB friendly

[Multibocks]

Back in TBC if you walked into a heroic with quest blues/greens you'd get your ass kicked

Actually I remember soloing heroics with 5 shaman and doing pretty well. I hit 80 right before Wrath launched with my shaman team and went right into heroics. How's that for easy?

Ok if you did it when Wrath first came out then I call bullshit. I remember the multiple threads that popped up, "How do I kill the elemental boss in Gundrak?" as an example. Yes if you came after the initial rush then it was easier, strats were out. No one was facerolling heroics when Wrath first launched. Sorry.

You know what would be cool though? If heroics were impossible for boxers in Cataclysm. Oh the joy! It would be so FUN!

edit: Also boxing software has come a fucking long way and talents have been redesigned for many classes. Ele sham used to have NO scaling talents. So ya, shits easier now, want a cookie?

[Alemi]

Actually I remember soloing heroics with 5 shaman and doing pretty well. I hit 80 right before Wrath launched with my shaman team and went right into heroics. How's that for easy?

In BC you could pretty much run 5 shaman without a tank and complete every heroic. I did - especially when we horribly outgeared the instance. At the start of Wrath, there was absolutely no soloing any complete instance with 5 shaman. Esp when our Earth Ele's and Fire Ele's didn't scale either (wasn't this fixed when Ulduar came out?).

edit: Also boxing software has come a fucking long way and talents have been redesigned for many classes. Ele sham used to have NO scaling talents. So ya, shits easier now, want a cookie?

Truth.

Remember when, as an ele shaman, the only "fix" for us was to spec into dual-wield to double flametongue to keep our dps only slightly below par with other dps classes that scaled? We didn't get Shamanism until 3 months after Wrath hit and right before Ulduar came out. Fun times!

[Iceorbz]

You know what would be cool though? If heroics were impossible for boxers in Cataclysm. Oh the joy! It would be so FUN!

edit: Also boxing software has come a fucking long way and talents have been redesigned for many classes. Ele sham used to have NO scaling talents. So ya, shits easier now, want a cookie?

I would like to see us forced to manage a few more cooldowns, and CC. Having to use hex I think will be interesting.

When's the last time you were worried about interrupting a mob other then gundrak? Make use more abilities and be creative, we were in Halls of Reflection, we will be in cataclysm. I think blizzard is on the right track

[Multibocks]

I would like to see us forced to manage a few more cooldowns, and CC. Having to use hex I think will be interesting.

When's the last time you were worried about interrupting a mob other then gundrak? Make use more abilities and be creative, we were in Halls of Reflection, we will be in cataclysm. I think blizzard is on the right track

You know this is fine the first time, but seriously who wants to CC this, interrupt that, Kite him, oh and dont touch that x 365? If Algalon, Lich King, or Alone in the Dark was my daily quest everyday? Ya that would get so on my nerves. At what point does this become fun? If you have beat it once great. If blizzard requires me to beat it again 7 times a week it's no longer fun and it's tedious. I don't think dungeons that we need to clear daily for the new emblems should be "challenging all the time." Which is what you seem to want.

If I had to do a lich king heroic that took 2 hours to complete, because of wiping, I wouldn't be playing this game. That is pure masochism and not fun.

I think blizzard's model right now is perfect. When Lich King first launched the dungeons were difficult and I did spend quite a bit learning each encounter and wiping. By the time Ulduar was dropped it wasn't so hard anymore. This is good, because I don't really care to do a wipe fest everyday for my daily. I think they got it perfect.

[Iceorbz]

You know this is fine the first time, but seriously who wants to CC this, interrupt that, Kite him, oh and dont touch that x 365? If Algalon, Lich King, or Alone in the Dark was my daily quest everyday? Ya that would get so on my nerves. At what point does this become fun? If you have beat it once great. If blizzard requires me to beat it again 7 times a week it's no longer fun and it's tedious. I don't think dungeons that we need to clear daily for the new emblems should be "challenging all the time." Which is what you seem to want.

If I had to do a lich king heroic that took 2 hours to complete, because of wiping, I wouldn't be playing this game. That is pure masochism and not fun.

I think blizzard's model right now is perfect. When Lich King first launched the dungeons were difficult and I did spend quite a bit learning each encounter and wiping. By the time Ulduar was dropped it wasn't so hard anymore. This is good, because I don't really care to do a wipe fest everyday for my daily. I think they got it perfect.

I think your exaggerating quite a bit. As you can see, I think halls of reflection is the perfect difficulty for a "heroic instance". Having to use your classes abilities is why they were put in the game. We used them in Vanilla, and BC... then went away from it towards the end of BC and into Lich King using more spells then consecration + a caster aoe was the standard. Dungeons don't have to be rediculous, I don't feel like we should ding 80 and be hitting heroics.