Blizzard tolerates us for now...

[Slats]

For those of you listing every single advantage changes to the game systems have given us, you are idiots.

None of the features in the game where added to SPECIFICALLY support us. Some of them we benefit from. If you go on and on about how IWT is what makes Paladins so awesome - you watch Blizzard make CTM and IWT no longer work with each other as they do now. I highly doubt it was EVER intended that IWT benefit from CTM, we are just lucky that we worked out it did.

Focus, follow, RAF, IWT, CTM, "click" Healing and other UI API functions - they are all added for everyone. Your being a fool if you try and insist on the General Forum that Blizzard added those to support us.

While the Blue Post is a bit dramatic and be taken several ways I simple read it as that we are not treated with any special consideration nor are we thought of when design decisions are made. What we do is tolerated, but that can change at any time - as can the TOS/EULA.

[Kiljaedon]

For those of you listing every single advantage changes to the game systems have given us, you are idiots.

None of the features in the game where added to SPECIFICALLY support us. Some of them we benefit from. If you go on and on about how IWT is what makes Paladins so awesome - you watch Blizzard make CTM and IWT no longer work with each other as they do now. I highly doubt it was EVER intended that IWT benefit from CTM, we are just lucky that we worked out it did.

Focus, follow, RAF, IWT, CTM, "click" Healing and other UI API functions - they are all added for everyone. Your being a fool if you try and insist on the General Forum that Blizzard added those to support us.

While the Blue Post is a bit dramatic and be taken several ways I simple read it as that we are not treated with any special consideration nor are we thought of when design decisions are made. What we do is tolerated, but that can change at any time - as can the TOS/EULA.

Lol, none of the features were added not to also enhance boxing either. I am sad that you did not have the spine to keep the idiot statement up before you edited it Slats. When a dev comes on the forums and says we added these enhancements to help everyone BUT boxers then I will agree with you. Until then keep your insults to yourself.

[Cheesepile]

I hate seeing replies from blues like this... I'm 8 levels away from my first team @ 80, now it makes me realize it could all be taken away at any moment...

[Malekyth]

I hate seeing replies from blues like this... I'm 8 levels away from my first team @ 80, now it makes me realize it could all be taken away at any moment...

But it probably won't be. Don't worry 'bout it. I've been multiboxing for a couple years and have always known that if Blizzard really wanted to, they could outlaw this playstyle tomorrow. They haven't, and have gone on record in much less ambiguous words that they recognize that multiboxers don't break the game and can keep playing.

Remember that Blizzard is run by people who made the most successful MMO ever! They're smart and have already considered the situation. The demands of morons on messageboards do not dictate Blizzard policy.

[Tonuss]

I hate seeing replies from blues like this... I'm 8 levels away from my first team @ 80, now it makes me realize it could all be taken away at any moment...

This was always the case. Zarhym's post was probably the most succinct way of summarizing Blizzard's stance on multiboxing, though the part about "for now" makes it seem more ominous than intended. My take on the whole issue:

1- Blizzard is fine with multiboxing. Put it however you want-- "they support it" or "they tolerate it" or "they allow it" it all comes down to the same thing. It is not a violation of their rules, nor of their terms of service.

2- As with anything else game-related, Blizzard reserves the right to change that stance if they ever feel that it is necessary to do so.

3- A few retards whining on the forum because their level 75 warlock got repeatedly rocked by a team of 80s that he thought he could mess with is not going to change Blizzard's mind. Nor are level 1 trolls calling multiboxers "noobs" or "no lifers" or whining about how they can't afford $75 a month for a video game (though most of them probably run up $200 phone bills each month... that daddy has to pay for).

4- If Blizzard wanted to stop multiboxing, they could. And please... they can definitely tell if someone is multiboxing, even with hardware. If some mouth-breather on the forums can identify a multiboxer, what makes you think Blizzard can't?

I saw those threads but I just skimmed through a few pages. This issue was settled long ago, and it was settled in our favor with no ambiguity whatsoever. This doesn't mean that Blizzard won't ever change their mind. But it means that all of those idiotic arguments against multiboxing have been made in the past and been shot down by Blizzard reps. I feel that whenever some crybaby comes screeching into the forums about how the big bad multiboxer stole his candy, he deserves to me mocked or, preferably, ignored. He certainly doesn't deserve the courtesy of a serious response anymore.


PS- I still get a kick out of the people who accuse Blizzard of allowing multiboxing because of the added revenue. In essence, they're saying that Blizzard has no integrity and bases its decisions entirely on money. Well, okay. But if the person making this accusation still has an active account, aren't they supporting Blizzard's decision to sell them out for a dollar? Aren't they admitting that they are paying for the privilege of being bent over and reamed without lube, by a corporation that caters to "the rich"?

In the past I pressed the complainers for a response to that question, and not a single person ever responded to it. I'm not kidding, even the most ferocious and insulting trolls who made sure to always get in the last word-- they ALWAYS IGNORED that question. Not a single person bothered to address it. That still makes me smile.

[Toonarmy]

Tonuss's succinct and well articulated position (above).

And that, as they say, is that! Exceptionally well put.

[jinkobi]

This was always the case. Zarhym's post was probably the most succinct way of summarizing Blizzard's stance on multiboxing, though the part about "for now" makes it seem more ominous than intended. My take on the whole issue:

1- Blizzard is fine with multiboxing. Put it however you want-- "they support it" or "they tolerate it" or "they allow it" it all comes down to the same thing. It is not a violation of their rules, nor of their terms of service.

2- As with anything else game-related, Blizzard reserves the right to change that stance if they ever feel that it is necessary to do so.

3- A few retards whining on the forum because their level 75 warlock got repeatedly rocked by a team of 80s that he thought he could mess with is not going to change Blizzard's mind. Nor are level 1 trolls calling multiboxers "noobs" or "no lifers" or whining about how they can't afford $75 a month for a video game (though most of them probably run up $200 phone bills each month... that daddy has to pay for).

4- If Blizzard wanted to stop multiboxing, they could. And please... they can definitely tell if someone is multiboxing, even with hardware. If some mouth-breather on the forums can identify a multiboxer, what makes you think Blizzard can't?

I saw those threads but I just skimmed through a few pages. This issue was settled long ago, and it was settled in our favor with no ambiguity whatsoever. This doesn't mean that Blizzard won't ever change their mind. But it means that all of those idiotic arguments against multiboxing have been made in the past and been shot down by Blizzard reps. I feel that whenever some crybaby comes screeching into the forums about how the big bad multiboxer stole his candy, he deserves to me mocked or, preferably, ignored. He certainly doesn't deserve the courtesy of a serious response anymore.


PS- I still get a kick out of the people who accuse Blizzard of allowing multiboxing because of the added revenue. In essence, they're saying that Blizzard has no integrity and bases its decisions entirely on money. Well, okay. But if the person making this accusation still has an active account, aren't they supporting Blizzard's decision to sell them out for a dollar? Aren't they admitting that they are paying for the privilege of being bent over and reamed without lube, by a corporation that caters to "the rich"?

In the past I pressed the complainers for a response to that question, and not a single person ever responded to it. I'm not kidding, even the most ferocious and insulting trolls who made sure to always get in the last word-- they ALWAYS IGNORED that question. Not a single person bothered to address it. That still makes me smile.

If you look at my previous responses you'll see I essentially said the same thing. People who've been around this game a long time have seen the arguement over and over. It was settled long ago. Now if there were more people like Prepared we might have a situation. Fortunately he's one of a kind.

Does Blizzard cater to the rich? Maybe not but they cater to wherever the money is coming from. Why do you think the game has changed so much from Vanilla WOW to cater to casuals? I mean seriously look what they did to raiding over the years.

Like I said in my previous post they realize the people who threaten to quit because of multiboxers VS the number of people multiboxing is vast. They just let the whiners quit because they know it's 1 sub loss instead of 5 or more.

As for integrity... Uhhh what company has integrity when it comes to money? Do I think Blizz is a good company- yes! Do I think they have integrity when it means a money loss- HELL NO! lol

[Stealthy]

As someone who has been boxing for a long time (into my 4th year now), I wouldn't read too much in Zarhym's comments. Blizzard have been 'tolerating' multiboxing for years, his isn't the first time there has been a scare that Blizzard might ban multiboxing, and I doubt it will be the last.

The other thing to remember is Zarhym is a community manager, not a game designer. If Ghostcrawler came out and said he was against boxing, then I'd be concerned.

The sky is NOT falling. For now.

Cheers,
S.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Whats preparded doing thats so bad .... he brings in 20 to a AV and controls a single choke point.

His team loses as he can he can only be one place at a time.

And the other team qqs cause they have to win by turtle .....

I mean people win and they qq


lol ...




Oh that dude was community manager well doh .... ya who cares what he say, his job is to say whatever the community wants to hear.

[Tonuss]

Does Blizzard cater to the rich? Maybe not but they cater to wherever the money is coming from. Why do you think the game has changed so much from Vanilla WOW to cater to casuals? I mean seriously look what they did to raiding over the years.

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As for integrity... Uhhh what company has integrity when it comes to money? Do I think Blizz is a good company- yes! Do I think they have integrity when it means a money loss- HELL NO! lol

You have to understand, the people who are making the argument in those threads are very big on morality and ethics and what is "just" and "fair." For them, a company going after profits is not something to be expected, it is a sign that a company is evil and just a greedy corporate monster that swallows babies whole. The basis of their argument against multiboxing is that it is "wrong" (ie, EVIL) and that Blizzard is wrong (ie, EVIL) for allowing it, because the only reason to allow something that is wrong (ie... you get the picture) is because you get more money, and that is... EVIL.

My question is intended to turn the tables on them. If it's really that big an issue for them, then all I ask is that they explain how they can support EVIL with their spending money. It's all about principles for them, so I point out that there seems to be a bit of a disconnect between what they say and what they do. None of those moral crusaders has managed to answer that question, or even attempted it.

Mind you, this is not the same as the people who complain that "BLIZZARD IS RUINING THE GAME JUST TO MAKE A DOLLAR." That's a wholly illogical stance, and it amazes me that people repeat it. But I have noticed that most of the time, moral indignation is an impulse and not based on any sort of reason or logic. So I just shrug my shoulders and let it go.