I dunno man, when I see a 4-5 man premade, especially in the smaller groups, even when you manage to shut them down they'll still annihilate the rest of your team and you won't be able to carry them. Hell as many tricks as we have to pull just to carry the rest of the team pug vs pug I don't see how it's going to go very well if a half or third of their team plays like a 2k+ arena team
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