The simultaneous sending of keystrokes is considered illegal in EQ2...

[thinus]

NB: Honestly, guys and gals who play other mmporgs - be really wary of this new stance by SOE - it COULD effect you in whatever game you currently play no matter who created it - the end of modern mboxing for all?

Oh stop over dramatizing. SOE has been a bunch of cocks since EQ came out. I realize that you put a lot of time into boxing and that this is a major blow to you but to assume that other companies would give a shit about SOE's policy on boxing and seeing it as the end of modern boxing is just being hysterical.

[mrmcgee21]

I am worried about how they enforce this like what Lax said above, I personally used very very few globally broadcasted keys as I prefer more control over my toons so this effects me very little in general. But as Lax said above its nearly impossible to pinpoint who is and who isnt globablly broadcasting, fuck I send out 5 or 6 keystrokes within 1 sec everytime I pull a mob into camp, how can you tell that isnt all 1 keystroke exactly? I could see how it appears that way to a underpayed GM looking to crack down with this new rule ..... I guess we will see. Either noone gets banned, or we all get banned honestly ( I imagine it will be the former ) in terms of SoE at least ( I am boxing EQ1 currently ). I have "ironman" boxed a group of 6 before but WOW that was a ton of work compared to how convenient Isboxer has made it, I never want to go back to that shit ( I just alt tab'd extremely fast on one machine, not 6 keyboards ).

[Malekyth]

Oh stop over dramatizing. SOE has been a bunch of cocks since EQ came out. I realize that you put a lot of time into boxing and that this is a major blow to you but to assume that other companies would give a shit about SOE's policy on boxing and seeing it as the end of modern boxing is just being hysterical.

Agreed. It's more a "oh, Sony, you retards" than a call for anyone else to follow their lead. Blizzard in particular has been explicit about its tolerance of multiboxing, and they're not going to change their minds based on what stodgy traditional ol' Sony thinks is right. WoW only exists because a bunch of EQ players decided (correctly) that they could do a lot better.

[mrmcgee21]

Here is my issue with this rule, if they are claiming this change has to come because we have an unfair advantage. Well we all know we STILL have an unfair advantage, thats obvious. So they need more rules to fix that right? Whats next exactly? As long as I am boxing, I have an unfair advantage, I conceed that in any discussion about boxing because its evident. I can do much more than somone with one char, thats why I'm freaking boxing. So if this rule came about in the interest of making everything "fair" then it is insufficient and I can see no reason why more rules won't come to continue this same line of thinking. Of course we now know we cannot take anything SoE says as reliable so who knows what tommorrow holds, this may all be a mute point. All this boils down to, do I really want to invest time in a game that may or may not take away all of my accomplishments at any given moment? I guess this can be true in WoW but I find it much more likely to occur in an SoE game now.

I'll just wait and see if they recant this most recent 180 and become more consistant, if not I find my confidence in SoE and my willingness to invest time and money with them is diminished significantly. Is it enough to make me quit? I cannot say just yet but it's a big step in that direction.

[Milque]

Here is my issue with this rule, if they are claiming this change has to come because we have an unfair advantage. Well we all know we STILL have an unfair advantage, thats obvious. So they need more rules to fix that right? Whats next exactly? As long as I am boxing, I have an unfair advantage, I conceed that in any discussion about boxing because its evident. I can do much more than somone with one char, thats why I'm freaking boxing. So if this rule came about in the interest of making everything "fair" then it is insufficient and I can see no reason why more rules won't come to continue this same line of thinking. Of course we now know we cannot take anything SoE says as reliable so who knows what tommorrow holds, this may all be a mute point. All this boils down to, do I really want to invest time in a game that may or may not take away all of my accomplishments at any given moment? I guess this can be true in WoW but I find it much more likely to occur in an SoE game now.

I'll just wait and see if they recant this most recent 180 and become more consistant, if not I find my confidence in SoE and my willingness to invest time and money with them is diminished significantly. Is it enough to make me quit? I cannot say just yet but it's a big step in that direction.

Don't agree with that logic at all. We're talking about fairness in a business model. If you're paying for x accounts, the question should not be can you do more than a person who is only paying for one account. The question is should you be able to do more than x accounts played by individual players.

I surely can not. The key mappings I employ to keep the thing manageable guarantee I am not optimally casting every spell. I am certainly not pulling off proper HO's. I have to be constantly checking to see if Manny, Moe, Or Jack got stuck on a wall during that last corner. Handling mobs that knockback with a multibox group is.... Well, I laughed after I picked up my corpses.

I'm at a decided disadvantage vs any pickup group of the same number of characters, and even more so against a group of friends that work together. Yet, I pay the same amount as they do.

Now, if I was doing something to disrupt the game for others, I should get banned, but that's not boxing, that's being an asshole. I've seen plenty do that without needing extra accounts.

[Gadget6]

Don't agree with that logic at all. We're talking about fairness in a business model. If you're paying for x accounts, the question should not be can you do more than a person who is only paying for one account. The question is should you be able to do more than x accounts played by individual players.

I surely can not. The key mappings I employ to keep the thing manageable guarantee I am not optimally casting every spell. I am certainly not pulling off proper HO's. I have to be constantly checking to see if Manny, Moe, Or Jack got stuck on a wall during that last corner. Handling mobs that knockback with a multibox group is.... Well, I laughed after I picked up my corpses.

I'm at a decided disadvantage vs any pickup group of the same number of characters, and even more so against a group of friends that work together. Yet, I pay the same amount as they do.

Now, if I was doing something to disrupt the game for others, I should get banned, but that's not boxing, that's being an asshole. I've seen plenty do that without needing extra accounts.

Milque I registered to say - you nailed it. He was looking at it from the same angle that SOE is - which is a mistake.

Assume I am six boxing using keyclone and I jump a single player - he / she gets crushed. Unfair? Well sure. Assume 6 individual players jump on the same guy. Unfair? Well sure - even more so as 6 individual players will always be superior a 6 boxer - keyclone or not.

How this logic eludes SOE is beyond me - a lobotomized chimpanzee could figure this out. It's really aggravating - SOE is myopic and they are shooting themselves in the foot.