Dont race change to undead

[Naysayer]

How can you blame the entire alliance faction for causing this change? That makes about as much sense as blaming undead players who gloated about how good their racial was. We have no idea what the discussion at Blizzard headquarters really was, so don't go flaming others just because you're upset. I'd like to imagine that Blizzard had some statistics that showed undead players were winning disproportionately often.

I do think that Blizzard ought to compensate this change by giving undead some other benefit...

I never said "entire" alliance. It would be a bit silly to accuse me of and assume i meant every single alliance player, wouldn't it? The answer you're looking for is YES.

And it's not that wotf got nerfed to the point that if you use it after this patch you're basically killing yourself by putting your trinket on cd. It's a wasted racial spot. It's the fact that undead have absolutely nothing good racial-wise now. Horrible race choice. They could have just mirrored it to the human racial EMfH, and that'd have been great. Would make sense since they are basically former humans, but no they just trashed the race all together and now we have a bunch of Dbags taunting us about it as if they haven't had amazing racials on the alliance side since BC started.

[TheBigBB]

I never said "entire" alliance. It would be a bit silly to accuse me of and assume i meant every single alliance player, wouldn't it? The answer you're looking for is YES.

And it's not that wotf got nerfed to the point that if you use it after this patch you're basically killing yourself by putting your trinket on cd. It's a wasted racial spot. It's the fact that undead have absolutely nothing good racial-wise now. Horrible race choice. They could have just mirrored it to the human racial EMfH, and that'd have been great. Would make sense since they are basically former humans, but no they just trashed the race all together and now we have a bunch of Dbags taunting us about it as if they haven't had amazing racials on the alliance side since BC started.

It's not silly to accuse you of something that you clearly said:

Could tell you to get a backbone so that you would not have whined so much that wotf got nerfed in the first place, right? It was alliance whining that got it changed"

If this is not supposed to be hostile towards pretty much all alliance players, then you need to pay attention to what you're saying, because I don't see how else it can be taken. People playing alliance has nothing to do with it. Blizzard made the call. Even to walk up to a person whining about it and blame them doesn't make any sense.

Overall I see what you're saying, but the general trend has been to reduce the usefulness of racials to eliminate any major advantages, so anyone who thinks they're so overpowered is going to get nerfed sooner or later. In this case, I do think they ought to consider reworking the ability instead of doing what they're doing. I suspect that the outcry against this will cause some more changes.

[TheBigBB]

So.. having an extra trinket spot free to put a non-pvp based trinket in the spot is worthless? Really?

Technically, instead of a fixed racial, you get a PvP trinket built in, and then get to CHOOSE something else. (whatever you like!)
All other races ('cept humans) have to choose PvP trinket + "x" trinket. Then they get a fixed racial that has probably changed since they first rolled the character.

Undead and Humans really have the upper hand here in flexibility. You're just looking at the little picture, completely oblivious to the big picture.

Yeah, come to think of it, this is a pretty good tradeoff, but maybe it's just because I'm totally obsessive about min-maxing. The thing is, most people aren't very good at noticing the difference a few stat points can make, but if you ever won by a slight margin, just a small stat decrease could have made it a loss. For any fight where you wouldn't have needed the extra trinket, you'll be stronger...

[Naysayer]

Yeah, come to think of it, this is a pretty good tradeoff, but maybe it's just because I'm totally obsessive about min-maxing. The thing is, most people aren't very good at noticing the difference a few stat points can make, but if you ever won by a slight margin, just a small stat decrease could have made it a loss. For any fight where you wouldn't have needed the extra trinket, you'll be stronger...

Yah, it's pretty smart for undead to fill those trinket spots with stat trinkets.

/sapped

/blinded

/sheeped

/snared

ect ect

/partners are dead lol

Why did I sit in crowd control the whole fight? Um, because I have wotf and dont need a pvp trinket.
/kicked

[thinus]

OMG W(o)TF is Blizzard smoking? I leave for a few months, come back and they have given humans a racial every other race needs to spend a trinket slot on (on top of perception) and they keep nerfing WoTF into uselessness. And my poor troll rogue got a 15% decrease in the duration of movement impairing effects...

I wonder if they looked at the racial percentages and decided there are not enough humans on Alliance side and too many Undead on Horde side. So we screw with the racials and give people the ability to race change. And they pay us for it!!!! Someone in the Blizzard team got a promotion.

[TheBigBB]

Yah, it's pretty smart for undead to fill those trinket spots with stat trinkets.

/sapped

/blinded

/sheeped

/snared

ect ect

/partners are dead lol

Why did I sit in crowd control the whole fight? Um, because I have wotf and dont need a pvp trinket.
/kicked

Yeah, I was thinking that most CC can be dispelled and fear was the most significant reason to use a PVP trinket, but I don't know what class you're PVPing with on undead.

[Naysayer]

So.. having an extra trinket spot free to put a non-pvp based trinket in the spot is worthless? Really?

Technically, instead of a fixed racial, you get a PvP trinket built in, and then get to CHOOSE something else. (whatever you like!)
All other races ('cept humans) have to choose PvP trinket + "x" trinket. Then they get a fixed racial that has probably changed since they first rolled the character.

Undead and Humans really have the upper hand here in flexibility. You're just looking at the little picture, completely oblivious to the big picture.

So if i don't use the pvp trinket because i have wotf then what do I do when a rogue stuns/saps/blinds me? What about all of the other cc that isn't a charm lol, sleep lol, or fear? It's not like we had

Every Man for HimselfRacialInstant2 min cooldownRemoves all movement impairing effects and all effects which cause loss of control of your character. This effect shares a cooldown with other similar effects.


I don't think you even know what wotf does.

[Stealthy]

Fur & Nay - chill out already. Trolling / personal attack posts will be deleted.

[thinus]

I am a little confused with the "shared cooldown" as cooldown durations are different.
WotF - 45s
Trinket - 2m

So if you pop your trinket it triggers the cooldown on WotF right? But after 45s WotF is ready for use again but your trinket is still on a 1m 15s cooldown. If you pop WotF now, does it reset the trinket cooldown to 2m?

[Stealthy]

I am a little confused with the "shared cooldown" as cooldown durations are different.
WotF - 45s
Trinket - 2m

So if you pop your trinket it triggers the cooldown on WotF right? But after 45s WotF is ready for use again but your trinket is still on a 1m 15s cooldown. If you pop WotF now, does it reset the trinket cooldown to 2m?

Pop Tinket, trinket shows 2 min cooldown, WotF shows 45 sec cooldown.
Pop WotF, trinket and WotF both show a 45 sec cooldown

Its similar to the engineer Pyro rockets and on-use DPS boost trinkets (e.g. www.wowhead.com/?item=Platinum Disks of Sorcery) work - if you use one, the other is locked out for 10 secs.

Cheers,
S.