I am almost 80 x10! I still have a bit of gear on Team 2 but I am GOING to do some 10 man raid stuff. I haven't set foot in Naxx (except for clearing one boss on each wing at 60) so I will have to figure some stuff out but I am looking for advice on where to start. I read the post with some advice in it but a lot of opinions varied and most were from non-10 boxers. Does anyone have 10 man experience and some advice on what you might do differently?
"My dogs could roll heroics with how a lot of you play."
- Fursphere 2010
A lot of the guilds on my server (Cenarius US - Alliance) are having very serious issues getting enough people to raid 25 man content.
A lot of people are pretty bored with the game at the moment, or are busy with other things.
There's maybe 4 or 5 guilds who raid at prime time on a regular basis, with the few people who want to raid moving to them.
I'm pretty sure with Cataclysm, many or most will likely return to where they were, especially when interest is high again. We've got 5 or 6 raiders, who have their main raiding toon in a raiding guild, but who spend most of their time on alts who are still guilded with us. That basically says, they've only moved a toon, because they want to raid now and that's the only option.
There are so many attempts at PuG raids, pretty much primetime trade is inundated with people looking for more. I'm guessing its the same thing - people who want to raid, but who don't have enough in their guilds at the moment.
Originally Posted by SmartJelly
Holy shit that guy is a badass! I wonder how he positioned those people before and during the fight. I couldnt tell if he had people tanking the other bosses, I assume you have to or its a wipe(never done 4 horsemen).
I am back and I raided Kara to warm up and tried Naxx, but I didn't like how I did in Naxx because my team 2 is still in blues and most of my epics are pretty bad, so I am going to spend the next month or two farming emblems from the daily heroic quest on BOTH teams instead of doing one at a time. More emblems for the time spent. I don't think I need this to advance, but wiping a lot if a huge pain when you're 1 manning 10 characters. All that rebuffing and setting up positioning. Yuck.
As far as heroics go, gearing for the tank seemed to be very important.
The DPS or heals could lag behind a fair margin.
An undergeared tank made it much harder, but as the tank geared it became a ton easier.
Even though the dps/heals didn't really upgrade much until the tank had a half decent set.
I'd imagine for raids this too would be true.
If your team doesn't have the best gear yet, really work on the tanks.
ToC normal and heroic seem to be fabulous places for gear.
Even if you run them through single box as a PuG or with friends.
I'd imagine normal ToC would be very doable even in pretty crummy gear.
There are a ton of Naxx10 pugs on my server.
Single box running a toon through these, purely for gear, can result in mostly iLV200 pieces.
That's the same gear level as heroics, but in a fraction of the time.
Still you can heroic run 5 toons together to gear up.
Naxx10 with PuG's would likely be 5 runs for 5 toons.
On feathermoon - alliance there are what seems like six 5boxers and a significant number of dual boxers.
The 5boxers are all in raiding guilds, and boxing raid, it seems and play together frequently, feathermoon seems to having a high raiding without guilds thing going on. Its not uncommon to see multiple guilds in end game 25s and the guilds also doing end game 25s. More so than other servers I guess.
The new Onyxia raid and VoA are both extremely easy fights to multibox (with ranged DPS). As long as you have the gear to do 3k+ DPS and you have a key set up to strafe left/right to move out of fires, you should have no problem with either of these fights.
ToC is fairly complicated in some parts, but definately do-able.The last boss in the first encounter and the very last boss are the toughest encounters. Icehowl's charge leaves zero room for error. If you don't move fast enough, your whole team (or at least the 4 that are on /follow) will die. Anub's tunnell business is also pretty lethal if you can't quickly switch and run one character away from the rest of your group.
Funnily enough, ToC25 is actually easier to box than ToC10, for a couple of reasons. You're less likely to be charge/tunnel target out of 25 players, and the complicated DPS fights (dispelling/interrupting Lord Jarraxus, multiple forms of CC/dispelling/interrupting during champions) is too much for one person to handle. In 25, however, you can pretty much just DPS and let other people worry about the interrupting and CC. I've only managed to successfully box ToC25 twice, and the first time all my chars got stomped when he picked me to charge. Luckily all my Ankh's were up, and he didn't charge my group again. I've tried ToC10 once and it was a miserable failure. Without a much more mixed DPS (DK to control a melee, rogue to interrupt a healer, X class to focus on dispelling, hunter for frost traps, priest for mass dispel, etc) there's just too much to do during the faction champions encounter.
Anyway, I'd definately suggest that anyone who boxes ranged DPS start farming VoA/Ony (10 or 25, doesn't matter). They both have nice loot and are very easy encounters to multibox.
I either get guildies to tank/heal or PuG those roles, and I fill DPS spots. Occasionally if we're short on healers I might respec a shaman as resto, but that's about it.
TBH, I don't believe in filling complex roles like tanking/healing while multiboxing. It may work for basic stuff like heroics and extremely simple raids (ie, Ony/VoA), but I'm not sold that it's viable for anything more complicated. When you have raid mechanics that require literally 1-2 second reaction times or you not only die, but can cause your raid to wipe (Icehowl's charge is a good example, again), I think it's better to stick to one role and do it well rather than playing half a healer, half a tank, etc.
Last edited by Meshuggenah : 10-26-2009 at 03:38 AM
im a lone boxer on my server so zero chance to find long term jointventure partners for any activities
i would like really have same avaibility/positive stance vs multiboxers you have found in your server: here, life is hard, average people watch me somenthing between goldfarmer and botter.I either get guildies to tank/heal or PuG those roles, and I fill DPS spots. Occasionally if we're short on healers I might respec a shaman as resto, but that's about it.
ignorance rules.
atm considering myself really lucky to have found some nice guys that occasionally offer me some single mode(tank or dps(melee or ranged shaman)) ulduar runs (10 normal). sometimes filling some dps vacations too, boxing tank+melee dps (2x, 3x).
done 8/14 in this way, mainly for achievements.
for this reason watching *possible*(?) cross-server raid lfg with interest: if happens it goes alive, i would like find other european boxers interested in doing somenthing together.
Last edited by Prega : 10-26-2009 at 04:21 AM
It was pretty much the same for me. I think I'm the only boxer on my server. If you stick with it long enough, people will start accepting you. Nobody would invite my shamans to anything when I first started here. After making a few groups myself, and tanking for people with my druid in ToC10/25, I got to know some of the better guilds and convinced them to let me bring 2 shamans, then 3, etc. I have a couple dozen people on my friends list now that will message me nearly every time I login asking if I'm locked to this or that. Everyone will be dubious at first, but once you prove yourself capable of not failing the raid, and of being a decent person, the smart ones will learn there are a lot of advantages to having a group geared DPS available with minimal effort, particularly on low population servers.
What I find funny is that, while I've never bothered replying to the silly comments people make, my group is well enough known now, that whenever there is a negative comment (usually by some fresh trasnfer or new 80), everyone else in the raid/BG will tell them to shut up. Be polite and friendly and don't react to the tards and you'll get there. Unfortunately there are some boxers around that are pretty arrogant about it, respond poorly to people making comments and generally make a bad name for us all. It just takes a while for people to get over it. Less time for the smarter ones, which are the ones you want to play with.
One thing I will say is.. be sure your characters are well enough geared and your setup is perfected before you try doing stuff with other people. It's not entirely fair, but first impressions count. If you turn up to a VoA25 and fail, the other 20 people in that raid will remember you and probably won't want to raid with you again. Everyone is new and has to learn the raid once, but people are much less forgiving when it comes to multiboxers. The same is true of the opposite, though. If you turn up and top the DPS chart on all 4 chars, people will be amazed and you will get all sorts of positive comments. I'd recommend taking one character to every raid you plan on boxing so you know the encounter well (plus, then you can link the achievement if people ask).
Last edited by Meshuggenah : 10-26-2009 at 05:11 AM
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