Engineering with in Arena?

[Fat Tire]

since when does it scale with SP. Documented anyone?

well on my rogue who has no SP I have hit 3k crit and on my shaman I have hit (4k) Actually I think it was 3800ish.

Edit ; OK I was wrong it does not scale from what I gather reading certain sites.

Edit2;

I did 15 hand pyros on the lvl 80 target dummy in org. Here are my results. No buff at all.

1742
1744
2789(Crit)
2287(Crit)
1941
2887(Crit)
1812
1922
2881(Crit)
1936
1955
2736(Crit)
2823(Crit)
1996
2944(Crit)


I also did 15 fulled buffed and the results were comparable.

Well there you go. I believe now that my 3800 was a mistake seeing it when I read the combat log or it did happen and its just rare. I think its just amazing for helping burst.

[Meathead]

Yea if you have a extra 3kx4 thats about 12k right there I am going to level enginneering on all my toons at this point so that i can get the extra burst that is needed in arena to kill the guys with 29k hp ive seen ppl with 34k hp but yea.

[heyaz]

Tooltip is what like 1.5? That's not very hard

[Meathead]

hmmm......a extra burst i was also thinking of using darkmoon card death. On my dk it has critted for 5k and thats without spell power my lock it has critted for 7k but yea it is a random proc but its fairly insane.

[Fat Tire]

Tooltip is what like 1.5? That's not very hard

Hand-Mounted Pyro Rocket now deals 1654 to 2020 Fire damage(crits up to 3kish) for a glove chant with an instant cast. 45sec cooldown that is off the Gobal cd. Holy shit, what more do you want?

[asonimie]

Yea if you have a extra 3kx4 thats about 12k right there I am going to level enginneering on all my toons at this point so that i can get the extra burst that is needed in arena to kill the guys with 29k hp ive seen ppl with 34k hp but yea.

Hold up champ, don't think AT ALL you are required to do engineering. First off I don't use engineering. I am full JC/Enchanting on all toons... which also makes me a lot of gold on the side. This has been debated before, and while the extra burst from rockets sounds saucy, and may do slightly more damage.... you are sacrificing a lot of spellpower, which is used for other important things such as heals, and overall sustained damage. I use a clickable trinket during my EM+LvB instant nuke, which gives me 440spellpower per shaman.

Gloves: 28spellpower
JC/Ench: 46-49 spellpower
Trinket: 440 spellpower (Not to mention they could release a 800sp trinket in the future, never know)

With Engineering, you are giving up 514-520 juicy SP. I've done some target dummy testing, and that extra spellpower boost causes an extra 1100-1600 dmg on lavaburst alone. This spellpower ALSO scales with the clearcasting bonus, which the rockets do not. Not to mention all the other spells I cast during those next 19 seconds get the boost as well... which is huge. For LvB alone, rockets will do slightly more damage... but all damage combined, my setup gains 500% more dmg easily.

Either way requires leveling a profession, which if you are serious about arena you will anyway. I just want people to know engineering is NOT a must... and Ench / JC provide a nice means of making cash.

[Fat Tire]

asonimie and I sound like used car salesman in this thread.

One thing I will say about engineering dps trinkets/chants is they do have a history of getting nerfed.

[Ellay]

Hold up champ, don't think AT ALL you are required to do engineering. First off I don't use engineering. I am full JC/Enchanting on all toons... which also makes me a lot of gold on the side. This has been debated before, and while the extra burst from rockets sounds saucy, and may do slightly more damage.... you are sacrificing a lot of spellpower, which is used for other important things such as heals, and overall sustained damage. I use a clickable trinket during my EM+LvB instant nuke, which gives me 440spellpower per shaman.

Gloves: 28spellpower
JC/Ench: 46-49 spellpower
Trinket: 440 spellpower (Not to mention they could release a 800sp trinket in the future, never know)

With Engineering, you are giving up 514-520 juicy SP. I've done some target dummy testing, and that extra spellpower boost causes an extra 1100-1600 dmg on lavaburst alone. This spellpower ALSO scales with the clearcasting bonus, which the rockets do not. Not to mention all the other spells I cast during those next 19 seconds get the boost as well... which is huge. For LvB alone, rockets will do slightly more damage... but all damage combined, my setup gains 500% more dmg easily.

Either way requires leveling a profession, which if you are serious about arena you will anyway. I just want people to know engineering is NOT a must... and Ench / JC provide a nice means of making cash.

I'm totally playing devil's advocate here because I leveled engineering when Gnomish Lightning Generator was ungodly overpowered haha. Now the clickable spell power IS amazing and I like that on demand burst. You aren't limited to not using it though by getting the rockets, it just means your second setup of nukes will be powerful as well since your 10 second internal gcd should be up by the next lava burst.
My gameplan though since I don't feel like dropping engineering is to pick up the Arena Trinket that gives 150 spell power base and 4300~ hp for 15 seconds, which I used to use the lesser version in season 3/4 and found it invaluable when getting trained on. Just macro it to your thunderstorm and not worry about it. I think factoring in this trinket evens out the scenario. Going engineering basically frees up a trinket slot.

Overall there isn't a clear cut answer to this, it's all preference which is how it should be.

[asonimie]

asonimie and I sound like used car salesman in this thread.

One thing I will say about engineering dps trinkets/chants is they do have a history of getting nerfed.

Haha ya.

One thing to note, my guys are full furious rocking the Thunderfall totem ( GET SOME ). As long as targets aren't PS'd, AMZ/AMS'd (or some other immunity), there are no enemies that survive my EM LVB (other than destro's once again). So the argument of rocket vs. spellpower may be moot. I appear to be putting out plenty of dmg as is. If the rockets were physical dmg or something other than fire... it would be different. I wish.

@ellay: In my haste I forgot to mention that - true you can still use the click trinket, i just assumed the internal gcd would be a full trinket usage cd... like 20 seconds (in which 60% of my matches are over). If the rockets only eat 10secs of trinket gcd, it might not be bad. However, I maintain that if blizz DOES release some juicy "on use" trinket that adds 700+ sp.. even for 3 seconds.. I think it will trump rockets permenantly.

Dam I wish there was some cheap and easy way to play with rockets for a week and feel the difference.

[Ellay]

for 50 Triumph badges you can get a 600 on use spell power trinket. Gives 128 int too.