Dissapointed with Cataclysm

[Souca]

Flying in the old world will be a pain in the ass with phasing. If it's anything like wotlk it could be a total pain in the ass to fly everywhere. The old world zones are not very big if your flying so I would expect phasing everywhere. It does seem like Recycleclysm. I bet every raid will be recycled again in the old world.

I think people are missing how phasing will be used in this expansion. It's not a matter of them adding a new phase over the old zone. The old zone is gone. Phasing will be used for things like Shadow Vault in Icecrown, but instead of a flight point and a vendor, the coastline may change or more of a forrest will be on fire.

I think the reason they even brought it up was that they wanted to impress on people that they will get to watch the world around them be altered in meaningful ways by their actions. It less an issue of the technology they are using to do it and more about the power it provides to immersion and story. I get the feeling that they want the new Azeroth to be going through a cataclysm, not just being visited after one has happened. The entire expansion is from 4.0 till 5.0 is about the world changing around you.

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[Mokoi]

nvm this is a useless argument. You're right, I'm wrong.

I'm just not excited about this xpansion. Seems cheap and tossed together from all angles.

[Tonuss]

It does seem like Recycleclysm. I bet every raid will be recycled again in the old world.

In time, that could be what they do. They re-used Naxx for this expansion. If the idea behind the Onyxia and old-world revamps is that they wanted to refresh it and encourage people to enjoy it again, at some point they might refresh Molten Core. The entrance to one of the new raids in Cataclysm will be reached through BWL apparently.

But keep in mind that this expansion has seven new zones along with a re-vamp of the entire old world, which by itself is probably more work than the previous two expansions combined. The zone re-vamps don't just include new terrain, there are new quests and new gear from quests and dungeons. It looks as if there will be more raid zones, and possibly more 5-man dungeons (which is impressive if it happens, considering the level range is cut in half). They're planning sweeping changes for talents and high-end character progression, for PvP progression, and for guild progression.

I wonder if they'll re-vamp old raids with each expansion, though. The one after Cataclysm will probably lead to a level cap of 90 or 95. No one runs Molten Core for progression anymore, I could see it being turned into a 10/25 raid in the future.

[Meathead]

I cant wait for the expansion but yea about the phasing yea its a pain in the butt :P other then that its going to be awsum just hope they get Shamans on the new Ally race that way i can go to Ally on all my toons with my guilds..

[pinotnoir]

Blizz expressly said they aren't going to recycle all of the content. In fact, the said Onyxia was unique. From the trailer it looks like lots of geography is going to change.

I just read they are bringing back nef and rag so thats two raids final bosses they are recycling. Add onyxia and the only one left is Cthun. I am sure they will recycle that too. Whats next? All the world bosses going to be lvl 87 now in the old world? This game is going on 6 years I think. Pretty soon they will have to stick a fork in it and call it done.

[voodoogriff]

They reused Naxx because the initial requirements to enter it in Vanilla, and the level of difficulty it was tuned to, severely hampered the amount of people that actually saw the instance.

As for reusing Nef and Rags, I seriously doubt it's going to be a copy/paste of their previous selves. I would imagine that they're going to use some of the old abilities just as a tip of the hat to Vanilla-raiders, but they'll likely be completely new encounters. And reusing a single boss is far different from reusing an entire instance (no one complained when they reused Anub'arak from Azjol-Nerub in Trial of Champions).

[Souca]

I just read they are bringing back nef and rag so thats two raids final bosses they are recycling. Add onyxia and the only one left is Cthun. I am sure they will recycle that too. Whats next? All the world bosses going to be lvl 87 now in the old world? This game is going on 6 years I think. Pretty soon they will have to stick a fork in it and call it done.

They are reusing Nef and Rag like they reused Kael. Completely new instance, new abilities and likely new models. Rag is in Hyjal and I don't know about Nef. It's not reuse like Naxx was. It's new instances that happen to have new incarnations of an extremely powerful boss that played a role in the game before. Hell, they are also reusing Arthas since he's just a dude from WC3.

Not attacking you, just correcting some assumptions.

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[Souca]

nvm this is a useless argument. You're right, I'm wrong.

I'm just not excited about this xpansion. Seems cheap and tossed together from all angles.

It is a useless argument. Just because you state something is your opinion doesn't mean people can't challenge your stated basis for it.

I contend that your belief that it is is cheap and tossed together because of the things I've seen. You're welcome to that opinion and I don't have any right to force you to change it, but I can share my opinion that you've not seen enough of the expansion to be able to make an informed decision.

Forums are for discussion and discussion can have multiple sides. I haven't seen anyone attack you, but I am sorry that you feel attacked.

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[Fizzler]

From what I understand Rag will be at full power with several new abilities. Both Rag and Nef will be in new instances. I am pretty exciting about the changes I am glad they did not just add a new continent I missed having a reason to go back to the old world and BC.

I believe there are 7 new zones which is what Wrath had. I am pretty happy with the changes it is nearly exactly what I was hoping to hear myself. The only thing that could have been an OMG for me is player housing.

[pinotnoir]

I never liked them reusing any of the bosses from prior instances/raids. I think its a cheap cop out on the designers. How many times must we kill the same guys over and over. They can say he is full power now or whatever. That doesn't change the fact we have been killing them for years. They need to create new bosses and quit reusing old ones. I like dragonbal z but this game is starting to feel like DBZ. Just like DBZ too many bosses coming back from the dead.

I am sure the new expansion will be cool but reusing boss after boss turns me off.