Anyone tried 5 different classes in team?

Title says it.
I'm preparing/testing WOTLK setup.
Was thinking about one of 4-5 teams.
5palys - leveling up is garbage, end game looks great with 4 retry off heals. ( 4P+1Dk same pros/cons)

4Sh+1P - leveling good, mana issues, end game looks okay ( shamans are not best in terms of DPS, totems are not stacking any more)

3ArcaneM+1P+1Rsham - leveling good, food, end game looks fine ( mages are okay with gear, without it might be a bit difficult)

1P+1DemoLock+1BoomDru+1Rsham+1Amage - Best group I've played in ( we were playing back at wow wotlk launch, and this is a group that clears every dung without a single issue, tho we were playing 5 real peps, and I'm not sure will it stay it ground as multibox team, also the question is will it be possible to fit all skills on 1 keyboard) I have 3 monitors, so I can be on paly warlock and boom, they have most procks thus I might be able to figure it out, just not sure is it even worth testing.

If any one testing 5 different classes in comp that info would be much appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Pepepepepe

Title says it.
I'm preparing/testing WOTLK setup.
Was thinking about one of 4-5 teams.
5palys - leveling up is garbage, end game looks great with 4 retry off heals. ( 4P+1Dk same pros/cons)

4Sh+1P - leveling good, mana issues, end game looks okay ( shamans are not best in terms of DPS, totems are not stacking any more)

3ArcaneM+1P+1Rsham - leveling good, food, end game looks fine ( mages are okay with gear, without it might be a bit difficult)

1P+1DemoLock+1BoomDru+1Rsham+1Amage - Best group I've played in ( we were playing back at wow wotlk launch, and this is a group that clears every dung without a single issue, tho we were playing 5 real peps, and I'm not sure will it stay it ground as multibox team, also the question is will it be possible to fit all skills on 1 keyboard) I have 3 monitors, so I can be on paly warlock and boom, they have most procks thus I might be able to figure it out, just not sure is it even worth testing.

If any one testing 5 different classes in comp that info would be much appreciated.

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In WotLK I ran 10 accounts and had pretty much maxed 5box teams of every combination (including being able to field pretty much a 5 box team of most single classes like 5 Paladins, 5 druids, 5 Shaman, 5 mages, 5 priests, etc)... From memory the only exceptions were that I may or may not have had 5 warriors but did have at least 4 warriors + healer & similarly I may or may not have a full 5 rogues but did have 4 rogues + stealth healer druid (& of course could sub any other healer or hybrid but typically would do 1-2 druids for all stealth party depending on whether I wanted a tank or not)...

While 5 different classes may make a good party with real players behind the keyboards it really isn't anywhere close to optimal for a 5boxer. I tried many combos and it is just a lot harder and that was even with full ISBoxer before that was banned...

The optimal 5box setup will likely be again:

• -Paladin_Tank+4Shaman (nice to also have a mage on at least 1 account to make water/food before sessions);
• -5Shaman (for me I would have a 5th Shaman on my Paladin account for times when it is more efficient to grind with no tank);
• -Paladin_Tank+3DPS+Healer (I also liked either 3 mages or 3 warlocks with typically Priest but like to have at least 1 of each healer to try all);

Likely I will actually do 6 accounts since I no longer trust Blizzard to not capriciously ban as I likely will not use my original Wow account with all my collector's editions on it in any boxing setup (at least initially if ever). Likely my original account will only have a Mage on it to be able to give food/water to my 5box teams & to be able to easily port the full team (may also put one or more Warlocks on it for summons &/or crafting cooldowns but not sure about that...).

Yo

Thanks for reply, how do you plan on -5Shaman (for me I would have a 5th Shaman on my Paladin account for times when it is more efficient to grind with no tank);.
Can't see how shamans should be able to clear heroics, elements will be low lvl ( just lvv 68-70 skils) and should be dead on no time.

(I also liked either 3 mages or 3 warlocks with typically Priest but like to have at least 1 of each healer to try all) - 3 mages are okay, but 3 I have a doubts about 3 warlocks.
Warlocks dps is heavily dependent on procks utilization. And I have hard times seeing how any one can manage 4 accounts ( Pally + 3 warlocks) simultaneously. Tho 1 warlock is almost must have cause It will provide curse that will reduce Arcane, Fire, Frost, Nature, and Shadow resistances by 165 and increasing magic damage taken by 13%. Thus I'm willing to test - Paly + Rshaman + 2 Amage + Demo lock. Should be a good balance in terms of buffs and amount of procks which needs to be controlled.

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Originally Posted by Pepepepepe

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Thanks for reply, how do you plan on -5Shaman (for me I would have a 5th Shaman on my Paladin account for times when it is more efficient to grind with no tank);.
Can't see how shamans should be able to clear heroics, elements will be low lvl ( just lvv 68-70 skils) and should be dead on no time.

(I also liked either 3 mages or 3 warlocks with typically Priest but like to have at least 1 of each healer to try all) - 3 mages are okay, but 3 I have a doubts about 3 warlocks.
Warlocks dps is heavily dependent on procks utilization. And I have hard times seeing how any one can manage 4 accounts ( Pally + 3 warlocks) simultaneously. Tho 1 warlock is almost must have cause It will provide curse that will reduce Arcane, Fire, Frost, Nature, and Shadow resistances by 165 and increasing magic damage taken by 13%. Thus I'm willing to test - Paly + Rshaman + 2 Amage + Demo lock. Should be a good balance in terms of buffs and amount of procks which needs to be controlled.

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Some folk were for 5 shaman as optimal though it never was for me... Personally I would never start with 5 Shaman and if you were going to eventually want to have a 5S option I recommend starting with Pa4S and add the 5th Shaman once your team is at least close to PREraidBIS gear levels...

To your original post most Tank+3DPS+healer teams should be viable though many are not optimal so you could be successful (though things will likely be harder) with the Paladin+Boomkin+Lock+Mage+Shaman team.

Paladin+2Mage+Warlock+rShaman should also work fine.

I’m confused. Won’t you get banned immediately?

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Originally Posted by DGiraldo

I’m confused. Won’t you get banned immediately?

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Nah, played 5 shamans all way until release of fresh WOTLK servers, and I do have a friends who were playing 4 mages + priest. And they duo farmed SWP, as 2 teams, none get banned.

In my opinion you get banned only after you get reported a few times, or you get flagged by blizzard.

I never use follow in public nor doing Pvps.

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Originally Posted by nodoze

Some folk were for 5 shaman as optimal though it never was for me... Personally I would never start with 5 Shaman and if you were going to eventually want to have a 5S option I recommend starting with Pa4S and add the 5th Shaman once your team is at least close to PREraidBIS gear levels...

To your original post most Tank+3DPS+healer teams should be viable though many are not optimal so you could be successful (though thing will likely be harder) with the Paladin+Boomkin+Lock+Mage+Shaman team.

Paladin+2Mage+Warlock+rShaman should also work fine.

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Yo, have seen you quite active member at this forum, so maybe you can recommend something about this case.

I was thinking is there any way to create a small delay on the actions that my team will do.

I'm using ISO boxer, and I was thinking to create a small delay on the actions that my team will do (should be a specific delay for every slot)
Let me elaborate, I was thinking from log standpoint 3 characters who are casting same spells at same time stamps, might be a bit suspicious, but if I somehow make a tiny delay between combat broadcasts it might let me stay under radar for longer period. At first I was thinking about setting some character to use hotkey on press and other on release thus creating discrepancy of time stamps of logs without synchronous skills being cast. Tho wasn't able to set up it for specific character, only for hotkey it self.

Any recommendation would be much appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Pepepepepe

Yo, have seen you quite active member at this forum, so maybe you can recommend something about this case.

I was thinking is there any way to create a small delay on the actions that my team will do.

I'm using ISO boxer, and I was thinking to create a small delay on the actions that my team will do (should be a specific delay for every slot)
Let me elaborate, I was thinking from log standpoint 3 characters who are casting same spells at same time stamps, might be a bit suspicious, but if I somehow make a tiny delay between combat broadcasts it might let me stay under radar for longer period. At first I was thinking about setting some character to use hotkey on press and other on release thus creating discrepancy of time stamps of logs without synchronous skills being cast. Tho wasn't able to set up it for specific character, only for hotkey it self.

Any recommendation would be much appreciated.

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Since ISboxer has Input Broadcasting which was banned by Blizzard I no longer have it installed to be able to reference. From memory I don't remember if there was/is an option to put in a random delay into inputs though you could have it send round robin (to 1 client at a time so 3 presses of the DPS key to send 1 DPS to each DPS at a time with no mirroring) and that should be able to be triggered via key down &/or key up but that doing it on both up & down could be 4 keys sent to the 3 DPS slots for each 2 keypresses which may not be what you want... While those approaches stopping mirroring you are still broadcasting inputs...

That being said I would not use ISboxer as it is bannable and Blizzard can see what processes are running and instead would use it's replacement JMB or the free and Open Source www.WowOpenBox.org

Though I used them with mouse over focus to avoid any manipulation I believe one or both may allow you to auto change windows (for example round robin the focus of the DPS windows) so you can get pretty fast actions without broadcasting inputs.

Alternatively you could run 5 PCs (or VMs or Multiseat clients) and have a dedicated keystick for each which could be tightly placed together to allow you to rapidly use dedicated keys to send direct inputs to each client which "should" be compliant as there is no mirroring/broadcasting...

While all of those should be compliant, as I alluded to above, I will never use my main account with any multibox team ever again just because Blizzard has been so inconsistent and I suspect has banned folk which were compliant... I would only use 5 new accounts or 5 accounts which I was fine with losing...

Lastly please do note that not too long after TBC Classic launched I stopped playing & keeping up with the Discords and what not where much of the discussion was as I was both too disgusted with Blizzard and keeping up with all of that took too much of my time (I decided to only keep up with this Forum)... I share that just so you know that there may be some discussions and/or new info that I am not aware of...

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Originally Posted by nodoze

Since ISboxer has Input Broadcasting which was banned by Blizzard I no longer have it installed to be able to reference. From memory I don't remember if there was/is an option to put in a random delay into inputs though you could have it send round robin (to 1 client at a time so 3 presses of the DPS key to send 1 DPS to each DPS at a time with no mirroring) and that should be able to be triggered via key down &/or key up but that doing it on both up & down could be 4 keys sent to the 3 DPS slots for each 2 keypresses which may not be what you want... While those approaches stopping mirroring you are still broadcasting inputs...

That being said I would not use ISboxer as it is bannable and Blizzard can see what processes are running and instead would use it's replacement JMB or the free and Open Source www.WowOpenBox.org

Though I used them with mouse over focus to avoid any manipulation I believe one or both may allow you to auto change windows (for example round robin the focus of the DPS windows) so you can get pretty fast actions without broadcasting inputs.

Alternatively you could run 5 PCs (or VMs or Multiseat clients) and have a dedicated keystick for each which could be tightly placed together to allow you to rapidly use dedicated keys to send direct inputs to each client which "should" be compliant as there is no mirroring/broadcasting...

While all of those should be compliant, as I alluded to above, I will never use my main account with any multibox team ever again just because Blizzard has been so inconsistent and I suspect has banned folk which were compliant... I would only use 5 new accounts or 5 accounts which I was fine with losing...

Lastly please do note that not too long after TBC Classic launched I stopped playing & keeping up with the Discords and what not where much of the discussion was as I was both too disgusted with Blizzard and keeping up with all of that took too much of my time (I decided to only keep up with this Forum)... I share that just so you know that there may be some discussions and/or new info that I am not aware of...

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Thanks for info, isn't round-robin in www.WowOpenBox.org broadcasts?

Cause from what I've understood, in short, every action that you are doing in first windows, that being send to any other windows can be called broadcasting.

And in terms of "bannable" I'm quite sure some pepes were banned using such systems, and if we would compare that to ISO boxer, is a lot less convenient, and not fully protects accounts against the ban.
Anyway, times when I've played wow for fun is over, I'm doing it for other reasons now, so It's any way bannable, thus I'll push my luck and see where it will ends.

Hopefully, I'll not get ban when I'll ding lvl 80 in 5m group)

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Originally Posted by Pepepepepe

Thanks for info, isn't round-robin in www.WowOpenBox.org broadcasts?

Cause from what I've understood, in short, every action that you are doing in first windows, that being send to any other windows can be called broadcasting.

And in terms of "bannable" I'm quite sure some pepes were banned using such systems, and if we would compare that to ISO boxer, is a lot less convenient, and not fully protects accounts against the ban.
Anyway, times when I've played wow for fun is over, I'm doing it for other reasons now, so It's any way bannable, thus I'll push my luck and see where it will ends.

Hopefully, I'll not get ban when I'll ding lvl 80 in 5m group)

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No my understanding is that both JMB and www.WowOpenBox.org both implement their round-robins by actually rapidly switching the WoW windows to the foreground and then the keystroke goes directly into the game rather than with a solution like ISboxer where the keyboard sends the input to ISboxer and then ISboxer broadcasts it to one or more clients. The input broadcasting, especially broadcasting a single keystroke to 2+ clients (mirroring the single input), is what was banned and that is why some folk believe Blizzard was looking for the isboxer process and banning.

In both JMB/WOB, to have 3 DPS do their actions via round-robin, you have to push the DPS key 3 times (1 keystroke per 1 action) and while you can program ISboxer to do something similar it is still broadcasting so I would not recommend needlessly chancing it when you have good options...

Unlike other options, with WowOpenBox you have 2 binaries, the one without RR is not capable of doing RR if you feel RR is streamlining and neither of the 3 variants hooks into the game or ever can send send keys. Also with wob you have the option to place your windows, turn on mouse focus and then exit so nothing at all is running while you play

Hm I'm quite interested and confused by this part - "In both JMB/WOB, to have 3 DPS do their actions via round-robin, you have to push the DPS key 3 times (1 keystroke per 1 action"

Can you elaborate please?

Let's simulate the scenario, I have 2 mages with same keys, that's understandable, just press a key 2 times and it will be send.
If I have for example 2 mages and warlock and they have diffirent skills on these key bindings, if I'll press Q ( for example while my mages are casting AB, and warlock to apply dot) do I need to press Q 3 times ( or 5) so it's been pressed in every windows or just once?
How's about healer and tank? if I need to heal and I have a skill binded to heal as 3 for example, would I be forced to press it 5 times until it will be seen in "correct" window?

Wob let's you skip some windows in your RR rotation (eg skip healer for instance) for mixed class you would try to align spells of similar intention on same key - I use for instance 3 to start a fight, then 2 as main dps macro, 4 as finisher etc...

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Originally Posted by Pepepepepe

Hm I'm quite interested and confused by this part - "In both JMB/WOB, to have 3 DPS do their actions via round-robin, you have to push the DPS key 3 times (1 keystroke per 1 action"

Can you elaborate please?

Let's simulate the scenario, I have 2 mages with same keys, that's understandable, just press a key 2 times and it will be send.
If I have for example 2 mages and warlock and they have diffirent skills on these key bindings, if I'll press Q ( for example while my mages are casting AB, and warlock to apply dot) do I need to press Q 3 times ( or 5) so it's been pressed in every windows or just once?
How's about healer and tank? if I need to heal and I have a skill binded to heal as 3 for example, would I be forced to press it 5 times until it will be seen in "correct" window?

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many people use isboxer its not on a ins blacklist, people still boardcast, some don't and just alttab, or click other windows.

its more what you do in game that gets you banned it seems.

anyway mutiple teams worked well in real wotlk who knows how it work with the remake as we don't have the same setup as before

here a playlist of my WOTLK back from 2008

pally tank, 2 shams 1 resto/ele, hunter and a arance mage