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RFK - Eye of Killrog Big Pull - Warrior, Priest, 2x mage, Warlock
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Originally Posted by
Hardcore Scape
You've really got me questioning my 5 shaman box as I am sitting here right now running RFK, killing things single target...how are you able to manage that? Is the warrior just that tanky? I'm not familiar with priest abilities, so I'm not sure what part he's playing in keeping your warrior alive. An explanation would be sincerely appreciated. Oh, and what's your /played if you don't mind saying? Cheers!
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Originally Posted by
Earshy
You've really got me questioning my 5 shaman box as I am sitting here right now running RFK, killing things single target...how are you able to manage that? Is the warrior just that tanky? I'm not familiar with priest abilities, so I'm not sure what part he's playing in keeping your warrior alive. An explanation would be sincerely appreciated. Oh, and what's your /played if you don't mind saying? Cheers!
Yea I was doing sheeps and single targets up until level 30 where I started messing around with aoe pulls in RFK and it's so much better. Spamming demo shout to get most of the agro while the aoe of the mages + warlock goes to town. Priest flash heals anyone who needs it. It's best to start practicing on a lot lower levels than you until you get comfortable with the pulls and mechanics so this spot is perfect at lvl 30. The most important thing IMO is a good shield that gives a lot of armor. I think I am going to upgrade mine to an epic soon since I plan on doing pulls like this to 60.
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Originally Posted by
Hardcore Scape
Yea I was doing sheeps and single targets up until level 30 where I started messing around with aoe pulls in RFK and it's so much better. Spamming demo shout to get most of the agro while the aoe of the mages + warlock goes to town. Priest flash heals anyone who needs it. It's best to start practicing on a lot lower levels than you until you get comfortable with the pulls and mechanics so this spot is perfect at lvl 30. The most important thing IMO is a good shield that gives a lot of armor. I think I am going to upgrade mine to an epic soon since I plan on doing pulls like this to 60.
That's awesome. Up until Classic launched, I was a professional AoE powerleveler in Everquest. I am not as familiar with the mechanics of WoW by a long shot, so I didn't even consider doing an AoE group. I'm impressed with what you're able to do. How's your XP / Hour if you're keeping track? If I keep my head down I can get 20k an hour.
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Originally Posted by
Hardcore Scape
Yea I was doing sheeps and single targets up until level 30 where I started messing around with aoe pulls in RFK and it's so much better. Spamming demo shout to get most of the agro while the aoe of the mages + warlock goes to town. Priest flash heals anyone who needs it. It's best to start practicing on a lot lower levels than you until you get comfortable with the pulls and mechanics so this spot is perfect at lvl 30. The most important thing IMO is a good shield that gives a lot of armor. I think I am going to upgrade mine to an epic soon since I plan on doing pulls like this to 60.
Looks great! I have the exact same setup as you - with the AE scenario are you happy with your choice of warlock rather than a third mage?
EDIT: Never mind - I see you already answered that on another thread :-)
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Originally Posted by
Earshy
That's awesome. Up until Classic launched, I was a professional AoE powerleveler in Everquest. I am not as familiar with the mechanics of WoW by a long shot, so I didn't even consider doing an AoE group. I'm impressed with what you're able to do. How's your XP / Hour if you're keeping track? If I keep my head down I can get 20k an hour.
One beauty of the 3mage or 2mage+warlock setups is that you can choose between single target focus fire DPS or AoEing.
When you are new to a dungeon and unfamiliar with the layout and mechanics & the mobs are closer to your level you can limit AoE to your Tank and focus DPS on single mobs while the Tank locks down aggro on that mob via Threat.
You can be much more aggressive when an instance is barely green (almost grey) to you and go pretty crazy with AoE.
While melee-cleave groups are getting a lot of focus right now it is hard to argue with the beauty & flexibility of a ranged group.
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I've been running the exact same setup, and I've Aoe'd my way all the way from deadmines to SM (starting on cathedral today), without thinking of shielding my eye of kilrog >_<
At least I've gotten quite good at determining the exact distance needed to aggro mobs.
In any case, here's a protip in exchange: Use battle shout after the pull. Battle shout generates threat based on the number of people that are buffed, independent of distance. With one or two battle shouts after the eye is dead, the mobs will go straight to the warrior, making things go a bit smoother.
I've had a lot of fun making this work, but it's a bit boring being limited to the amount of mobs the warrior can tank. Pushing the limits I've found that even on mobs of the same level, pulls of 10-15 mobs are manageable. Of course, it escalates as soon as you level. Towards the end of farming SM GY i cleared 90% of the instance in three pulls, and started getting instance lockouts due to being too fast (kilrog pulling while drinking can make this style extremely efficient). Now, with the open spaces coming up with ZF I'm considering running extremely large pulls using piercing shout and blast wave kiting. Have you tried doing something like that before? The warlock is not ideal in that setting, but I'm thinking I can kite around him while he hellfires amongst the caster mobs. Thought'd I'd ask if you have any comments before I invest the gold to respec :P
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Originally Posted by
Sacrum
Use battle shout after the pull.
Big fan of the battle shout! Especially when there are caster mobs mixed in. My happy little warrior does nothing but battle shout in my own groups. I decided to try it in a RFC group yesterday (they didn't seem to notice or care) and the only times I lost aggro was to the shaman who, for some reason, spammed earth shock the whole run.
I think that speaks to the strength of earth shock as an intended taunt, though, and not to any weakness on battle shout's part.
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When you all do the pulls and shout(s) on your Warrior to solidify aggro, have you tried popping Retaliation on your Warrior and if yes does that seem to help?
https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=20230/retaliation
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Originally Posted by
Hardcore Scape
3 Things;
1, That is amazing... I like it a lot...
2, Does the warlock die most pulls, and if so is he not lagging far behind as he misses all the XP?
3, I notice that you have two Polymorph icons floating on your UI regardless of the toon up front... are they common hot key Marcos or actual click with mouse situations, and if so... could you help me out with how you set it up because I’m struggling a bit managing the sheep in my dungeons
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Originally Posted by
The Crowd
3 Things;
1, That is amazing... I like it a lot...
2, Does the warlock die most pulls, and if so is he not lagging far behind as he misses all the XP?
3, I notice that you have two Polymorph icons floating on your UI regardless of the toon up front... are they common hot key Marcos or actual click with mouse situations, and if so... could you help me out with how you set it up because I’m struggling a bit managing the sheep in my dungeons
I don't have a warlock but I have been trying out warrior/paladin/priest and 2 mages, if i don't like it i might go back to a 3rd mage. having the extra heals and ultility from the paladin is nice.
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thanks for the tips guys, I will try out battle shout at the beginning of the pull and retaliation.
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Originally Posted by
The Crowd
3 Things;
1, That is amazing... I like it a lot...
2, Does the warlock die most pulls, and if so is he not lagging far behind as he misses all the XP?
3, I notice that you have two Polymorph icons floating on your UI regardless of the toon up front... are they common hot key Marcos or actual click with mouse situations, and if so... could you help me out with how you set it up because I’m struggling a bit managing the sheep in my dungeons
I have been getting a lot better at the pulls now and the warlock doesn't die anymore! Also the polymorphs are a click with mouse setup since a lot of the stuff I do on the warrior is clicking I added those in. What I do in dungeons is alt A (assist) a target of the warrior and click poly icon before a pull. If the pull is alrdy happening and I need a polymorph, I click the formation button to break dps for a second, click the target I need polyed, Alt A (assist) and then poly. Then continue DPS.
There is a way you can setup round robin on the assist so you can polly all the targets at the same time before the pull, but I haven't bothered setting that up.
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Originally Posted by
Hardcore Scape
thanks for the tips guys, I will try out battle shout at the beginning of the pull and retaliation.
I have been getting a lot better at the pulls now and the warlock doesn't die anymore! Also the polymorphs are a click with mouse setup since a lot of the stuff I do on the warrior is clicking I added those in. What I do in dungeons is alt A (assist) a target of the warrior and click poly icon before a pull. If the pull is alrdy happening and I need a polymorph, I click the formation button to break dps for a second, click the target I need polyed, Alt A (assist) and then poly. Then continue DPS.
There is a way you can setup round robin on the assist so you can polly all the targets at the same time before the pull, but I haven't bothered setting that up.
what are you using for clicks? I have 1 overlay bar set up for heals via isboxer, but i haven't figured out how to make a second one yet.
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Originally Posted by
smk
what are you using for clicks? I have 1 overlay bar set up for heals via isboxer, but i haven't figured out how to make a second one yet.
Video VFX to capture the screen region of the follower account(s) - so you make a source VFX on them name it and keep it as Auto on the bottom so it loads every time you open up your set - then you go to your main and setup a viewer from the source you just named. Click the region and make sure you put it as a repeater and sync/apply it. Then you can click from your warrior to that button. I also have one for my warlocks pet attack, but I recently found a really good macro that does everything for the warlock including pet atk/casting DOTS/spam shadow bolt all in one button.
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oh ya, i forgot about the fx. I will play around with that some. Very cool.
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Originally Posted by
Earshy
That's awesome. Up until Classic launched, I was a professional AoE powerleveler in Everquest. I am not as familiar with the mechanics of WoW by a long shot, so I didn't even consider doing an AoE group. I'm impressed with what you're able to do. How's your XP / Hour if you're keeping track? If I keep my head down I can get 20k an hour.
I think my xp/hour doing single spells was like 10-15k an hour, and now that its 50k a lvl I had to change it up because that's just not good enough haha. With these pulls you can probably get 20-40k an hour. do 3 eye pulls a dungeon (maybe even a little more) then reset.
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Sounds that Warrior + 2Mages + Lock (or 3 Mages) + priest is the way to go.
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might have to consider lvling up a warlock into the mix and dumping the pally, sounds like good overall build.
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Originally Posted by
Hardcore Scape
thanks for the tips guys, I will try out battle shout at the beginning of the pull and retaliation.
I have been getting a lot better at the pulls now and the warlock doesn't die anymore! Also the polymorphs are a click with mouse setup since a lot of the stuff I do on the warrior is clicking I added those in. What I do in dungeons is alt A (assist) a target of the warrior and click poly icon before a pull. If the pull is alrdy happening and I need a polymorph, I click the formation button to break dps for a second, click the target I need polyed, Alt A (assist) and then poly. Then continue DPS.
There is a way you can setup round robin on the assist so you can polly all the targets at the same time before the pull, but I haven't bothered setting that up.
This has raised more questions for me... how is clicking on that icon sending anything to the mages, is a vfx or repeater?
Also when you say you click the formation... you mean you click on your warrior and your toons move? If so, you’re going to have to pull a mirai on that and explain how you did it so someone as dense as me can replicate it.
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Great stuff,
I am running almost the same combo, except i use bear tank.
What talent spec you use for the mages/warlock?
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Originally Posted by
flou
Great stuff,
I am running almost the same combo, except i use bear tank.
What talent spec you use for the mages/warlock?
I suspect Paladin Tank could also be viable and possibly optimal for some folk as it can both push AoE threat on itself and reduce threat on the group (and even apply bubble to save folk if/as needed).
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Originally Posted by
Kraxx
Sounds that Warrior + 2Mages + Lock (or 3 Mages) + priest is the way to go.
This is amazing and this group composition is ideal for many people and being at range has many, many advantages.
Note that the instance is significantly lower level than his characters and I am pretty sure that you can't play this aggressively on the top dungeons at cap and will thus be much more limited on large volume AoE at cap.
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Originally Posted by
Hardcore Scape
Video VFX to capture the screen region of the follower account(s) - so you make a source VFX on them name it and keep it as Auto on the bottom so it loads every time you open up your set - then you go to your main and setup a viewer from the source you just named. Click the region and make sure you put it as a repeater and sync/apply it. Then you can click from your warrior to that button. ...
That sounds similar to what I am doing with VFX regions on my lead Warrior to click on the Vuhdu healing raid frame on my healer(s).
One weird thing I am seeing is that if I use a move key (arrows, aswd, etc) on the foreground window while clicking on the VFX region the minion in the background gets the movement key command as well and if I mouse away while the move key is pressed the alt just takes keeps moving (or spinning/turning). It is a real pain when it happens and kinda hard to get it to stop (have to keep sending keys to get it to stop). I can mostly stop it from happening by deliberately not moving when leveraging a VFX region but sometimes when things get tense I mistakenly move making a bad situation worse.
Have you (or anyone else) had this problem and know any way to stop it?
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This is some great stuff....I tried this with my Warrior, Priest, Mage, Lock, and Shaman last night and it did not go well....Just not enough AOE at lvl 30 to take down 5-6 mobs. So I'm going to powerlevel two mages:)
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Originally Posted by
The Crowd
This has raised more questions for me... how is clicking on that icon sending anything to the mages, is a vfx or repeater?
Also when you say you click the formation... you mean you click on your warrior and your toons move? If so, you’re going to have to pull a mirai on that and explain how you did it so someone as dense as me can replicate it.
I would suggest following this guide - He uses repeater regions instead of vfx with repeater regions, but its basically the same thing and probably better lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUdAgbQmegE&t=1s
as far as the formation thing goes, there are certain base hotkeys you can assign in ISBOXER, one of them is the V formation, i just set the hotkey to my ` key. Clicking this break them out of anything they are doing such as channeling a wand or spell.
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Originally Posted by
nodoze
One weird thing I am seeing is that if I use a move key (arrows, aswd, etc) on the foreground window while clicking on the VFX region the minion in the background gets the movement key command as well and if I mouse away while the move key is pressed the alt just takes keeps moving (or spinning/turning). It is a real pain when it happens and kinda hard to get it to stop (have to keep sending keys to get it to stop). I can mostly stop it from happening by deliberately not moving when leveraging a VFX region but sometimes when things get tense I mistakenly move making a bad situation worse.
Have you (or anyone else) had this problem and know any way to stop it?
I have never personally had that happen to me but you could just set up repeater regions instead of vfx and have buttons in exact positions on the main as they are on the followers which might fix it?
