10 accounts, help me decide what to do with them/train on them

So I have three slightly more advanced characters:

Existing (Currently all mapped Int/mem):

2x:
10.5m Drone skills (subcap only)
1.5m fitting
4.3m unassigned

1x
2m fitting/shield tank
3m unassigned

New:
7x jack all (training cybernetics 4), mapped Int/mem (although they're 24 hours old atm so I could make new ones if required)

I don't really know anybody that plays Eve so I'm mostly on my own in that regard.


I'm happy to do absolutely nothing for 4-5 months, but would ideally like to be able to plex the accounts some time around the 6 month mark if possible.

There seems to be a real dearth of information both here and on the ISBoxer forums regarding eve.

A couple guys seem to do shieldpocs for incursions but I have no idea how many SP you need to make this functional, whether you would need 3 logis/7dps or 2logis/booster/dps. Or even whether this is all that viable with the incursion difficulty buff.

You could I suppose try to operate 10 afk dominixes doing level 4s but that seems like a pretty big headache and possibly not all that profitable.

Some people use multiple carriers to do multiple nullsec anoms, or boxed amarr bs/rr dominix.

Other people seem to use RR tengus/dominix/other BS for WH's but I'm not sure how that works out now that the sleeper BS apparently neut the hell out of you.

The nullsec/wormhole ones are also somewhat complicated by not having a home.

It seems as though mining isn't all that profitable in the first place, and this is exacerbated by people wanting to gank hulks.

Any suggestions/advice would be greatly appreciated.

I currently use 9 accounts. They're all miners which is what I prefer to do. I have 5 training for Carriers, 1 for Nightmare, 1 for Mach, 1 for Rorq/booster and a JF pilot. It all depends on what you want to do in Eve and wether your in HS, LS or 0.0. Never done an incursion, but I did run multiple L4's in Domi's with Salvager.

The choice, as they say, is yours :)

What do you use to mine rorquals:hulks orcas:hulks (I guess depends on system) or mackinaws?

Is the isk/hour worth it with the relative gankbait that hulks seem to be?

When you ran L4s did you have 9 each running their own mission (like a dual LAR +sentry type thing) or did you run 4x2 dominix with a salvager or 3 dominixes together x3 running each mission?

What are you ultimately planning on doing with your carriers, boxing them for pvp or running an entire system of anomalies?

I prefer PvE, so stay away from PvP as much as is possible in Eve :). I Only triple boxed L4's plus a salvager (3 seperate missions and the salvager followed after). The isk/hour was Ok, but I've never really tracked it lol. Mining was ok in HS until this whole hulkageddon malarky, could make some nice isk from Ice mining. Just started them all up again in 0.0 and currently use 7 covetors (will move hulks down once Im satisfied it's 'safe' enough) and an Orca (training for Rorqual), seems to be going ok so far, might try my hand at the industry side of things too.

While setting things up I use 2 Domi's and a Raven to run Havens, can make around 100mil a day from my slow arse grind. Within 30 days I'll have 8 spider tank Domi's plus a salvager to play with

Why not join a corp?

I'm (3-boxing atm, aiming for 5-boxing) in an indy wing down in a corp in the Pure Blind region, with access to both ice and ore mining.

I feel a lot safer mining in -0.2 with corp intel and backup than I did when soloing up in 0.5!

Your boost ship stays in the corp POS whilst you mine, which is a big weight off your mind :)

PM me if you want details.

I'm in a corp in 0.0 already :)

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Originally Posted by Trammel

I don't really know anybody that plays Eve so I'm mostly on my own in that regard.

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Ah, ok, the above made it sound like you were tootling around by yourself in hi-sec :)

However, I agree, there is very little info about Eve, full stop.
Personally, I think that, because it's a single universe, people don't like sharing info at all - unlike WoW, where you almost have too much info at times.
btw, this isn't a dig at MBers not sharing, I mean Eve players in general!

I'm plexing through mining, and don't even have to schlep the stuff up to Jita :)

Once my Drake fleet is complete, I'll be checking out missions and complexes etc.

I know some corpies make a fortune in WH space, but I don't like the idea of some/all of my chars ending up stranded when the exit collapses!

Unless you can do incursions with your guys (which at this point you cant) 10 guys is overkill for any one particular thing. I'd set half to train for ice mining/1 orca (the most slow paced of the things you can mine) and half for combat. If you get good at it 2 logi's and 3 BS's can own level 5 missions and pvp in lowsec space (except on the weekends..you'll figure that out). You can also run 2 logi/2BS/1 salvager. If you prefer hi-sec run level 4's and bang as many out as fast as you can (this requires agent and pve corp planning ahead of time). If you have any interest in fighting while also playing logi's PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE before you go somewhere like low-sec.

Having two different methods of income is an excellent plan for eve IMO. You can run all 10 at once while you're moving your combat fleet around and then once you have your mission under control its no big deal to ice mine at the same time. Pay attention to the forums for when Hulkageddons come around and mothball your mining fleet during those times.

Just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Morganti

Unless you can do incursions with your guys (which at this point you cant) 10 guys is overkill for any one particular thing. I'd set half to train for ice mining/1 orca (the most slow paced of the things you can mine) and half for combat. If you get good at it 2 logi's and 3 BS's can own level 5 missions and pvp in lowsec space (except on the weekends..you'll figure that out). You can also run 2 logi/2BS/1 salvager. If you prefer hi-sec run level 4's and bang as many out as fast as you can (this requires agent and pve corp planning ahead of time). If you have any interest in fighting while also playing logi's PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE before you go somewhere like low-sec.

Having two different methods of income is an excellent plan for eve IMO. You can run all 10 at once while you're moving your combat fleet around and then once you have your mission under control its no big deal to ice mine at the same time. Pay attention to the forums for when Hulkageddons come around and mothball your mining fleet during those times.

Just my opinion.

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I'm leaning towards this.

5 accounts seems like the number I may cut down to plus an Orca, 11 accounts is OK in HS but can get a bit confusing in 0.0. Especially when neuts come to play. Guess I'll just have to see how it goes in corp and what they need me to do

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Originally Posted by moog

Why not join a corp?

I feel a lot safer mining in -0.2 with corp intel and backup than I did when soloing up in 0.5!

Your boost ship stays in the corp POS whilst you mine, which is a big weight off your mind :)

PM me if you want details.

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I'll pm you for more questions, I think they're essentially making highsec mining ungankable (or a complete waste of money to gank them) next patch though with the EHPs of the macks/skiffs.

I guess what I was wondering was whether I could start doing incursions with around ~10mill sp on the dps chars or what you really need.

If you're going to mostly afk mine arn't you more or less better off by running as many clients as your computer(s) can possibly handle as it just increases your payback once you've reached your plex quota?

ie: 10 ships mining at 10mil/hour = 100mil/hour = 4.5ish hours/account to break even (45 real hours) = 100mill/hour profit after
100 ships mining at 10mil/hour = 1000mil/hour = .45 hours/account to break even (~45 real hours) = 1 bil/hour profit after

why not just try incursions? i mean do a little searching and see what it normally takes. i havent done them personally. But i was doing lvl 4 missions with 5 t1 cruisers. You arent even supposed to be able to have a cruiser in there for fear of dieing. its fun just train up and try stuff.

I've been multi-boxing in EVE for a very long time and I would like to give you my first hand experience on the best methods of obtaining the ultimate isk Faucet :P.

I started out as mining in 0.0, I had allot of isk and bought characters, 15 hulk pilots which back then it took roughly 2 hours and 24 min to completely mine out a Large Asteroid Cluster worth around 900m-1b (with an orca boosting T1 links this was before T2 links). With the 15 hulks, I had my main in a tengu tanking rats, orca pilot hauling, orca pilot boosting (or rorqual if I'm crushing at the same time), I had a high sec hauling character (npc corp) which happened to have all nav skills 5 and able to fly my Rhea when I hand it off in low sec to take to high sec (war decs). I had other misc characters like a complete cyno route to move my minerals to high sec to sell, if you want to build you're going to turn the game into a job, better off having someone you trust do the building (don't do that haha). Depending on how deep you are in space the logistics can be a nightmare and require allot of balls to do it solo. I mined 5 cyno jumps away from high sec and the 500+ cyno's I light were in neut/red space with no station to dock in. I had to bring a carrier to drop ozone to each cyno alt with the Rhea (each cyno alt had 2 webs to instantly warp away the carrier/JF). The logistic headache is a requirement if you feel you want to mine that kind of bulk and do it Solo. I do have a right hand man who did help me build a few super carriers (nice profit I might add), but after my retarded alliance lost a couple baby titans I stopped that operation quickly haha.

With the amount I mined in high sec I was making roughly 30b+ a month minimum (this was before burn jita/alloys being removed from game now It would be way more) and with 21 accounts times 500m per plex almost made it not worth it. BUT! I changed it up; ratting. While mining I trained my toons into Domi's and most already flew carriers. All my toons already had amazing drone skills so it worked out perfectly, I was making roughly 400M+ per hour and hardly had to do anything, carrier warps in gets aggro >> domi's warp in put sentries on guard on the carrier, then swap to your other team. It worked great untill I moved across the country and got caught up in life, but screw that back to multi-boxing eve :D.

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why not just try incursions? i mean do a little searching and see what it normally takes. i havent done them personally. But i was doing lvl 4 missions with 5 t1 cruisers. You arent even supposed to be able to have a cruiser in there for fear of dieing. its fun just train up and try stuff.

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Incursions if done right is the second best option for farming isk, the only problem is the isk dump and skill requirements per character. Most ISN groups are in Team speak and require you to be in team speak, the chance they will let someone bring alts is very low, no matter how good your ISboxing ability is. Even if you were to get a pickup group to fill the slots you lack ISN will drop into your incursion and clear it faster than you. You will need to be able to hit targets at range, and at close range while webbing (loki is great for that in case you are running vindi's but should have anyways). I have enough toons to fly 8 machs 3 logi and 1 off grid tengu boosting, but can I manage ammo/ships with different projectiles to hit different ranges while making sure my 4b per character never gets blown? Two answers for this: yes your Multi-tasking ability is godly or you have a friend to 2 or three box your logistic ships while you handle all the targets your self. Which still is no easy feat considering you have long range and short range targets to hit and every incursion is random with spawns. As nice as it would be to be able to load up on auto cannons and alpha everything it sadly doesn't work that way anymore :(. Yes I've dived into incursion multi-boxing and it's too reliant on having a partner and when another group drops in on you it's no fun trying to race.

Best isk in the game and I'm sure somewhere on this forum someone already said it: "Wormholes". There are videos all over YouTube with 4-5 tengu's doing class 4-6 wormholes. You can set each one up with 1 large remote shield rep and slowly take your targets down, it's what all my hardcore wormhole friends do and there is no reason why that can't be multi-boxed. It's not a lazy thing to go about though, you need to Dscan all the time while swapping around and switching your RR, the damage can spike pretty quickly if you're not on top of it. I've played around in wormholes but I'd prefer the politics of 0.0 space where I can monitor what's in local/Intel as well as defend against up to 40 battleships against my 15 pantheon carriers (it has happened and I lost nothing :D).

I love talking about new ways to challenge myself and others when it comes to multi-boxing, if anyone has any cool ideas feel free to hit me up in game my main is: Jayunit

My next project is bombing runs with up to 18 bombers in sync :).

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:P.

I started out as mining in 0.0, I had allot of isk and bought characters, 15 hulk pilots which back then it took roughly 2 hours and 24 min to completely mine out a Large Asteroid Cluster worth around 900m-1b (with an orca boosting T1 links this was before T2 links). With the 15 hulks, I had my main in a tengu tanking rats, orca pilot hauling, orca pilot boosting (or rorqual if I'm crushing at the same time), I had a high sec hauling character (npc corp) which happened to have all nav skills 5 and able to fly my Rhea when I hand it off in low sec to take to high sec (war decs). I had other misc characters like a complete cyno route to move my minerals to high sec to sell, if you want to build you're going to turn the game into a job, better off having someone you trust do the building (don't do that haha). Depending on how deep you are in space the logistics can be a nightmare and require allot of balls to do it solo. I mined 5 cyno jumps away from high sec and the 500+ cyno's I light were in neut/red space with no station to dock in. I had to bring a carrier to drop ozone to each cyno alt with the Rhea (each cyno alt had 2 webs to instantly warp away the carrier/JF). The logistic headache is a requirement if you feel you want to mine that kind of bulk and do it Solo. I do have a right hand man who did help me build a few super carriers (nice profit I might add), but after my retarded alliance lost a couple baby titans I stopped that operation quickly haha.

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Got any video footage of you mining 15 hulks? I thought my 8 were cool but you just shit all over me, haha.

No sadly, but when I get this bomber idea off the ground I will probably have to record that for sure though :D.

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No sadly, but when I get this bomber idea off the ground I will probably have to record that for sure though :D.

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What's your monitor/computer setup? I am probably returning to Eve soon, and this time will be using isboxer with my mining team. But since isboxer can't video feed across two computers, and I don't think my main can handle 10 Eves, I'll be using two computers.

doz3rr, what sort of machine is it? I thought my machine would have trouble running a bunch of Eve's but it turns out I max out around 23 or so, and then only due to memory. If you have the settings adjusted right and turn off Aero in Windows you can get quite a few Eve's running. Aside from memory, my biggest limiter is monitor real estate.

And yes, this means I'm back boxing Eve ;) I'll be doing the most mundane thing you can box, mining Ice in high sec starting with 21 clients.

- Souca -

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What's your monitor/computer setup? I am probably returning to Eve soon, and this time will be using isboxer with my mining team. But since isboxer can't video feed across two computers, and I don't think my main can handle 10 Eves, I'll be using two computers.

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I run two monitors (three when I'm doing more than just eve). My main monitor is 27 inches and I run my ISboxing team on that all 15 miners fit just fine and the extra space I generally have my Orca pilot behind my 15 characters not apart of ISboxer. My second monitor normally has my second team (22 inches) which is misc characters that are not used as much such as the Tengu that tanks, Rorqual crushing/boosting; I also monitor local on this monitor as well.

I'll have to dig through some old files to find a picture of my old setup, all my accounts are not active at the moment otherwise I would post now, I'm moving across the country again so I let everything run out.

As for my hardware: Originally I had a 920 I-7 (not overclocked) with 12 gigs of DDR3 ram and a 260 GTX (video card does not affect eve as much as other games I've noticed). I used to run a 240GT but ended up water-falling the 260 down to my ISboxing computer. I used this setup for Two years until two months Ago I fried the motherboard from Quad boxing Diablo 3 :P. That old setup used to run all my clients without any hiccups the CPU never went over 40% usage and ran Cool on air.

Now I'm running a 2011 Mobo I-7 Sandy bridge 6 core 32 gigs of ram and 2 460 GTX's (waterfall down from my main PC.) I would like to stretch this new PC out eventually and see how many EVE clients I can run at once. When I move back to California I'll turn my isk Faucet on and post my current Team.

If you are running older hardware I used to run a Dual Core 3.0 4 gigs of ram, Tiny Windows 7 and used to run 8 or 9 clients way back in the day and it worked fine.

I've restarted EVE recently too - unfortunately I can't multibox as I still don't have a decent rig but I'm attempting to make some ISKies via trading. I'll see how it goes.

Souca, keep an eye out for gankers, that many ships in one place is a juicy target.

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I've restarted EVE recently too - unfortunately I can't multibox as I still don't have a decent rig but I'm attempting to make some ISKies via trading. I'll see how it goes.

Souca, keep an eye out for gankers, that many ships in one place is a juicy target.

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I thought I saw you a couple times. I'd be curious to hear how the trading goes.

As for gankers, the new changes to mining barges make them much harder to take out now, but even if I lose all my ships I can replace them easily enough with the iskies from ice mining. I don't intend to fly anything beyond a Retriever for a while since the extra ice you see from a Mackinaw now is only 5% at best.

- Souca -

Did they change any of the reqs for flying the mining barges when they changed their roles around? EVEMon still has the old reqs from what I can tell.

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Originally Posted by Morganti

Did they change any of the reqs for flying the mining barges when they changed their roles around? EVEMon still has the old reqs from what I can tell.

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The Covetor is now extremely easy to get into - you can have a brand new pilot in a Covie with T1 Ice upgrades/harvesters in less than 12 days, then have it upgraded to full T2 in a further 12 days and max (er, min) the laser cycle with Mining Barge 4+5 in a final 20 days.

With my Orca boost (still doing Industrial Command Ship 5 to max my boost), my maxed out Covetor pilots are cycling ice at 178s whilst my maxed out Hulk pilots are only getting a 10.5s advantage at 167.53s - a Hulk costs around 200m, a Covetor only around 30m.

Whilst I will eventually put them all in Hulks, the Covetor is an amazingly efficient ice mining platform and a far lower financial risk out in the field :)

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Originally Posted by Morganti

Did they change any of the reqs for flying the mining barges when they changed their roles around? EVEMon still has the old reqs from what I can tell.

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All Mining Barges now require Mining Barges I and Astrogeology III to fly, so as soon as you can fly one of them, you can fly all of them. You can get a new character into a mining barge with minimal skills to mine Ice in just about 7-8 days.

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Good to know. I need something to do at work and level 5's were never a good idea to do there since I can get pulled away or put on the phone at any time. Since I'd be in hisec for mining I'm sure I would have to do ice since the hisec roids are so small.

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doz3rr, what sort of machine is it? I thought my machine would have trouble running a bunch of Eve's but it turns out I max out around 23 or so, and then only due to memory. If you have the settings adjusted right and turn off Aero in Windows you can get quite a few Eve's running. Aside from memory, my biggest limiter is monitor real estate.

And yes, this means I'm back boxing Eve ;) I'll be doing the most mundane thing you can box, mining Ice in high sec starting with 21 clients.

- Souca -

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Hey Souca, I remember you, long time no see.

My box is a i7 with sli 560. I recently upgraded it to 14GB of RAM. But I seem to remember my Eve clients taking up around 600mb each. After OS and everything I'm sitting at 10GB free. Good luck with Ice mining. I tried it and almost shot myself due to boredom. But if I suppose if you have 20+ miners going, you'll be busy lol.