LFR whiners

Mornings!

Yesterday I went to LFR with my 5 mages for farming Valor points and some gear, but before we engaged even the first boss, people started crying about me cheating (read: multiboxing) and some players already cried over the loot, that they have no chance winning anything if I'm there with my team..

We killed Morchok, my all mages dealt 30k+ dps on the boss and having all five mages in top8 damage.. Shoulders dropped, and I rolled only on the mage who really needed them, and passed on other mages.. I didn't win, but people still mourned on /raid that I should be kicked.

Then we headed to Zon'ozz, killed the trash, engaged the boss and once again my mages were shining on meters. I was fully flasked on 5 toons, used my nuke-macro with Volcanic potions, I even offered feasts in the beginning for the raid. Being polite and nice and people still wanted to kick my team away.

Gloves-token dropped and I needed it on 2 mages, who still needed them. Passed on three mages. My other mage won the token and then people went crazy and they managed to kick one of my mages off the raid, so I left with other mages as well.

I like dpsing bosses in LFR, getting some gear with fair play.

What's with the all the hate against multiboxers? Any tricks how to calm the raid down? After all we are not the ones with 25 empty sockets and 5000 resillience..

I've had successfull LFR DS raids too, but I nearly nerdraged myself how the whole raid turned against my team.. Going back today, hopefully finding people with more tolerance..

You should have rolled for the loot on all your mages and given to the one that needed it.

Blizzard already said in a blue post that bringing friends to roll need for you is OK. Plus there will always be people to rage against boxers.

I think you should just be polite, and not lose your temper against the ragers, just continue replying calmly and take whats yours. Passing on loot wont stop the kick-vote!!!

There are no tricks. Point out that you are doing better than the guy complaining. Turn the raid on the idiot paying more attention to you than the boss or the trash, and get supporters from the raid :)

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Originally Posted by JohnGabriel

You should have rolled for the loot on all your mages and given to the one that needed it.

Blizzard already said in a blue post that bringing friends to roll need for you is OK. Plus there will always be people to rage against boxers.

I think you should just be polite, and not lose your temper against the ragers, just continue replying calmly and take whats yours. Passing on loot wont stop the kick-vote!!!

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I'm not sure about this though. Obtaining gear is not easy in LFR and having 5 rolls against the single players makes me feel like a criminal..

My trick was taking ten toons so that they couldn't vote kick me if they wanted to.

In patch 4.3 they removed the ability to buy set items with valor tokens, and since it's late in the expansion the set bonusses are really strong / good / cool / fun, to an extend that most 384 bonuses were stronger than the 391 heroic ones from firelands. On top of that they made a couple of OP trinkets that's are a must have for most players, again 384 often oughtweighs the 391's.

That made that a lot of seasoned raiders had to run LFR on their main for weeks/months, to help progressing the main raid. Which was the goal of Blizzard, because if you make a group only consisting of the average LFR skill, they won't get past trash. On top of that the seasoned raiders who were forced to run LFR often brought friends along to help roll on the items. <insert big random number>% of the LFR got boosted by them; they had to shut up cause they clearly saw they got outperformed by miles.

After so many months they finally master the mechanics of dead simple encounters, and the seasoned raiders have no more reason to join LFR (unless on an alt alt); which basically makes those kids cocky again. The spout their nonsense all they long, standing in fire and doing silly dps.

I know I generalize and exaggerate a bit, but you get the picture.

I have learned to roll need on all 5.
Just like you pointed out, they dont care if you passed on loot with the majority of your team or pull 40k dps.....once that "kick the boxer" ball starts rolling *most* times it cant be stopped.
I just pray that the vote kick does not pass untill after some loot.

Recount -> Report to -> raid

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Originally Posted by eatcarbs

my trick was taking ten toons so that they couldn't vote kick me if they wanted to.

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this!


nothign can be done about it the loot drama will stop in MOP anyway we all roll the boxing drama just be worse to be fair.

there just emo kids that's not got money to do it them salfs ITS ALL ABOUT THE LOOT!!!!

yep.. i take my 4 shammys lastnight i went inLFR with my shammys and no other guildies (for protection so cannot be kicked) and not a single person said anything about me boxing, and toons name have word boxxer in it some how.. i won a trinket I needed I passed on all tier cause only one I need i s helm which I didnt win..

then in 2nd half of the raid the trinket dropped off spine which I need but didnt win that 1 a druid did, and he types anyone win the 1 hander off madness can have the trinket, so I pst him, and said I will /roll x4 and trade it, the 1 hander didnt drop but staff did, so he psts me and says he would have he staff, but I didnt win it, so he says trade me, I dont know which one of you need the trinket and just gave it to me anyway lol.

What a rare event!!
If people cry in LFR before anything has really happened, then I will need on anything and everything I can, and I say that to them for crying without giving me a chance and now you suffer my wrath... and then whatever I win, that i dont need, I trade it too lowest, worst off players in raid IF they didnt cry lol

Lately its been ok for me though, not much sooking or anything.
Had one person from same realm as me and after raid was asking me questions lol

Luck of the draw i think

oh other thing I do, is delay the need/greed roll, i will need or pass on all toons except 1, and leave that to almost time out, so by then next trash is engagedm and reduces chance of any kicks being made.

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Originally Posted by Shania

Luck of the draw i think

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/agree

I sometimes get folks asking me questions that are truly curious and a pleasure to chat with. Other times I get complete douchebags. Really, though, for me it's been about 20% curious, 10% douchebags, 70% "wtf?"

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Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz

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70% "wtf?"

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Once someone posted in raid something like "Hold on I am getting a lag spike and have to relog." When he got back its like "Nope that didnt fix it, still see 4 of the same people."

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Originally Posted by JohnGabriel

Once someone posted in raid something like "Hold on I am getting a lag spike and have to relog." When he got back its like "Nope that didnt fix it, still see 4 of the same people."

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lol, classic. Agree with the %'s Ughma posted. Some of the 70% start with douche comment til they understand what they are seeing and then revert to curious, but many from the 70% never respond as they realize they made an ignorant comment. I do love it when a passerby assaults the douchebags comments as clarifying some negative comment is just asking for more if we respond to it.

i would love to get with another boxer or two and que LFR cross realm, i think that wuold be adventageous to everyone, especially being able to control the votes, if anyone would like to get together and do this (lots of us in <The Zerg> do this already, just shoot me a pm and i'll give you my realid.

On your last char don't roll on 1 item (something you don't need). No one can be kicked until after loot rules have finished, so just let it go til it times out. Just make sure you get in combat before it runs out. You can do this all the way through both parts of LFR quite easily.

Just roll need on all 5, it's OK as far as blizzard is concerned.

I've been in plenty of LFRs where I get a message to kick someone, with no explanation, I click no, but he gets kicked anyway. People just mindlessly assume that if they got votekicked by enough people, it must be warranted.

It will all be fixed in MoP, no way to trade loot, (which I personally hate) but it eliminates the possibility of the raid comp affecting the chances of any one toon acquire gear.

I had the weirdest LFR runs this week.

I didn't see anyone mentioning anything about boxing, or cheating, or botting.. Also I rolled x5 on all stuff, won 5 tokens that run and CotC-trinket as well.
I wish all the LFRs were like that ;) However, I can't use the trinket when farming heroics, it's breaking all the sheeps! QQ

I tried being nice and it got me no where and frequently kicked despite never dying, pulling my weight, ect so now I have a fuck you attitude in LFR.

If I can roll need, I do it on all 5 regardless if I actually want that item or not. Enhance/Hunter loot? Something I already have? Thanks for the vendor gold!

I leave something to roll on for one of the toons to avoid getting kicked and make sure we're in combat once the timer is up. Do this for the entire raid.

If people do complain and manage to kick one of my shamans, I'll start the next encounter and cause a wipe. Then self res, mass res everyone and start the encounter immediately. If they're going to vote kick me for simply multiboxing, fuck them. I can usually wipe them 3-4 times before they get all 5 out of the raid.

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Originally Posted by Clovis

If they're going to vote kick me for simply multiboxing, fuck them.

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Agree!

Though, I don't think causing wipes would make LFRing any easier for boxing community.

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Originally Posted by runtu

Though, I don't think causing wipes would make LFRing any easier for boxing community.

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Exactly this.

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Originally Posted by runtu

Agree!

Though, I don't think causing wipes would make LFRing any easier for boxing community.

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Because using rational arguments helps SO much... I'm with Clovis, I'm over it, fuk em!! Soon as they kick 1 toon for being a boxer, wipes ensue.

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Originally Posted by valkry

Because using rational arguments helps SO much... I'm with Clovis, I'm over it, fuk em!! Soon as they kick 1 toon for being a boxer, wipes ensue.

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And what does that accomplish? I don't think anyone is telling you to use rational arguments against a mob of uninformed people once part of your team has already been removed from the raid. I think what multiboxers would like is for other multiboxers not to be douchebags to the rest of the gaming community so that they don't have to answer for something they haven't done.

Isn't intentionally wiping the raid group over and over considered "griefing"? Can you not be reported for such idiotic acts?

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Originally Posted by MiRai

And what does that accomplish? I don't think anyone is telling you to use rational arguments against a mob of uninformed people once part of your team has already been removed from the raid. I think what multiboxers would like is for other multiboxers not to be douchebags to the rest of the gaming community so that they don't have to answer for something they haven't done.

Isn't intentionally wiping the raid group over and over considered "griefing"? Can you not be reported for such idiotic acts?

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Indeed it is.

Also I agree... I get enough shit from people as it stands. Don't pull shit like this to make us all look bad.

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Originally Posted by Clovis

If I can roll need, I do it on all 5 regardless if I actually want that item or not. Enhance/Hunter loot? Something I already have? Thanks for the vendor gold!

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Originally Posted by Clovis

If people do complain and manage to kick one of my shamans, I'll start the next encounter and cause a wipe. Then self res, mass res everyone and start the encounter immediately. If they're going to vote kick me for simply multiboxing, fuck them. I can usually wipe them 3-4 times before they get all 5 out of the raid.

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Correct me if I'm reading you wrong but basically what you're saying is that you choose to be a douchebag just because someone else was a douchebag? "But MOM! He did it first!" Is that an incorrect read of your position? I'm curious to hear how you think this reflects on our "vanishingly small" community.

Ah, the classic "I do whatever the fuck I want and don't care how it impacts people directly or indirectly." Good to know that we have boxers actively working to ensure that if anyone was on the fence with the general feelings towards/about multiboxing that they come away with a negative view after grouping. Kudos.

Maybe later you can go protest military funerals, or murder old people. Cuz I mean hey, fuck, if you can, you're gonna do it right. You don't care about collateral damage.

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So, when people grief me for being a boxer, I should just take it and not retaliate in anyway? Be the bigger person perhaps? Okay... gotcha!

If people are going to kick me in LFR, which say if that happens on Deathwing means I have to re-queue (a 20+ minute wait inself) and do the entire instance over again, then fuck em!

When evil rears it's ugly head, we don't need to hurt it. We need to love it, hold it and feed it tofu.

So Clovis, you say that you roll on everything you possibly can every chance you get even if you don't need it for the benefit of 20 gold? When the VAST majority of other people who rolled on it truly need it because they want an upgrade and be able to benefit the people they play with in the future?

THEN you wipe the raid over and over if they kick one of your guys?

Who is really being evil here?


Hey, I know that when you get kicked it stinks. It really does. But most people just mindlessly click "Yes" to any kick request. Assuming that you weren't doing anything stupid in the raid and were pulling your own weight (and I fully believe you were playing as you should have), about 5-6 jerks used "Vote to Kick" on you. The problem is, you can't punish them. If you could, I'd honestly be all for it. However, in my experience, it is rare that you can single out the evil behavior you rightly disdain and punish it. The primary thing you are doing at that point is punishing the 15 people in the group who didn't initiate the vote and just want to play the game, finish the raid and be on their way, and not get griefed.

I know it sucks when you get kicked and we have a tendency to get angry and lash out. I've come close to doing so on a few occasions when I felt particularly singled out. However, what I came to realize is that, even if I don't care about anyone else but myself, the most selfish thing I could do at that point is to finish out the instance with my remaining toons or drop group and queue for another run. By griefing the raid you are wasting your own play time. If people can get you to waste your own time and do something that doesn't advance your goals in the game, they have truly beaten you.

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Originally Posted by Clovis

So, when people grief me for being a boxer, I should just take it and not retaliate in anyway?

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What are you hoping to accomplish by retaliation? Upon whom would you heap your mighty vengeance?

Katharsis.

For the record, I haven't started doing LFR yet.

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Originally Posted by Mosg2

Katharsis.

For the record, I haven't started doing LFR yet.

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don't bother

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Originally Posted by Shodokan

don't bother

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What are you talking about? It is the best thing to happen to WoW in years. How else did I get enough gear to kill 19 bosses in regular Dragonsoul last week?

(Multiple teams of course)

I love how most things a lot of people bitch / whine / gripe / complain about is the stuff that makes the game 100x easier for Mercurio. I think it's awesome he's able to accomplish so much by himself against the odds. I wish I had his patience.

The game is certainly not perfect, and Mercurio is certainly a minority, but the thing to remember is something may suck for you, or you may not like how something works and that's perfectly fine. But to the next guy it's the best thing ever.

Let's keep the massive negativity on the WoW forums. Let's spend our time here discussing how to overcome obstacles and celebrate those who are successful.

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Originally Posted by Svpernova09

I love how most things a lot of people bitch / whine / gripe / complain about is the stuff that makes the game 100x easier for Mercurio. I think it's awesome he's able to accomplish so much by himself against the odds. I wish I had his patience.

The game is certainly not perfect, and Mercurio is certainly a minority, but the thing to remember is something may suck for you, or you may not like how something works and that's perfectly fine. But to the next guy it's the best thing ever.

Let's keep the massive negativity on the WoW forums. Let's spend our time here discussing how to overcome obstacles and celebrate those who are successful.

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Something directed at MOSG is based off of my knowledge of how he chooses to play the game. It wasn't a blanket statement. Just my opinion for him.

Today someone started yakety-yaking about multiboxer in LFR, but the raid saw the dps first. He didn't stop yakking so I hit the broadcast key on and votekicked him 5 times, and so he was gone in seconds and others lold hard ;)

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Originally Posted by jstanthr

i would love to get with another boxer or two and que LFR cross realm, i think that wuold be adventageous to everyone, especially being able to control the votes, if anyone would like to get together and do this (lots of us in <The Zerg> do this already, just shoot me a pm and i'll give you my realid.

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This would had been great, though I'm on EU

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Originally Posted by runtu

This would had been great, though I'm on EU

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Am sure you can find players in the EU as well. horde and ally. maybe there should be a new topic for it.

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Originally Posted by MiRai

And what does that accomplish? I don't think anyone is telling you to use rational arguments against a mob of uninformed people once part of your team has already been removed from the raid. I think what multiboxers would like is for other multiboxers not to be douchebags to the rest of the gaming community so that they don't have to answer for something they haven't done.

Isn't intentionally wiping the raid group over and over considered "griefing"? Can you not be reported for such idiotic acts?

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Revenge, some don't like the taste, I love it. And vote kicking someone for no good reason is also considered griefing.

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Originally Posted by Svpernova09

I love how most things a lot of people bitch / whine / gripe / complain about is the stuff that makes the game 100x easier for Mercurio. I think it's awesome he's able to accomplish so much by himself against the odds. I wish I had his patience.

The game is certainly not perfect, and Mercurio is certainly a minority, but the thing to remember is something may suck for you, or you may not like how something works and that's perfectly fine. But to the next guy it's the best thing ever.

Let's keep the massive negativity on the WoW forums. Let's spend our time here discussing how to overcome obstacles and celebrate those who are successful.

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Thanks for your kind words, Supernova. They mean a lot coming from someone I truly respect.