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Gratz dude
Great to have ya aboard Lax.
Welcome! I knew the dark side would win out in the end! JK!!
Cant wait to see what changes are in store! Welcome aboard Mr. sLax
Great with new leadership :) Gogo lax
Grats Lax!
- Souca -
Congrats Lax :)
multiboxing websites now huh?
congrats
This change is good. I approve.
/back to lurking
Hail to the king baby.
When I saw the topic heading, I got nervous. Then I saw who was taking over. Sounds good.
Many, many thanks to Ellay for the site and the inspiration. Good luck with whatever is next for you (which hopefully includes multiboxing!).
Best wishes to Lax in taking over, and to him and the rest of the awesome folks who keep the wheels greased.
I guess in any other similar situation I wouldn't like it when a company becomes the owner of an 'independent' site. But it's not like you have pushed your product or abused this site to promote your stuff, so the community has enough faith in you for it not to really matter. As long as nothing changes, there is little reason to be unhappy :)
Now that you mention it, I havent seen Ellay recently.
Lax, without a doubt, can handle the task. Ellay and company have put in much time and effort to getting the site, community, projects, etc.. so much that DB.com is a thriving community worth passing a torch to begin with. I think a tremendous bit of appreciation and grattitude is definitely due. Id expect to see some of the "old crew" here from time to time yet still.
Being a results oriented individual, I think Lax is the proper candidate and successor. Time will tell how the train maintains its track, going further. I look forward to it.
Lax, those guys teed up for you, you just need to hit it... :)
Congratulations, and good luck to both parties!
PS-yay no adds!
been lurking for a while... boxing daily. why update something that's not broken?Quote:
3. The Keyclone link in the header is gone -- this isn't because I'm eradicating every non-ISBoxer product or link from the site, but because a) Rob/Keyclone is no longer an active participant in the site (for some time now) and the software is no longer updated, and b) for the same reason as #1 and #2, these revenue streams are no longer necessary to support the site
so much for 'community'
LOL
To be clear. The only party that was involved with DB yesterday, that is no longer involved today, is Ellay. Myself and the rest of the mods are still here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apps
A community you abandoned. People may have listened to your snide remarks a year ago, but not now.Quote:
Originally Posted by keyclone
Not gonna lie Rob... you've been MIA for a LONG time. Your software is not updated (supported??).
Let's get this community pumpingggggggggggggggggggg
Lets keep the conversation on track and focused on where it should be, that's a new beginning and many new opportunities for our community.
you're call. my definition of community and yours seem to differ. mine would be more all inclusive, and less single-product-promotion. hence the reason i never made a competing forums and point to the d-b forums from the keyclone site... community buildingQuote:
A community you abandoned. People may have listened to your snide remarks a year ago, but not now.
real-life health issues take priority over monitoring a forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gurblash
as for updating keyclone, i've used it daily for a while... no updates needed
when was the last time you got a keyboard driver update?
i'm only here now as i've received calls of people complaining .. so i logged in to see
Hi Rob, welcome to dual-boxing.com!
I don't know what you're QQing about, you have links to your site all over dual-boxing.com and you're not paying anything for it -- you don't even have to pay affiliate fees to Ellay anymore in exchange for your advertising. The only difference from before is that your link in the header is no longer there.
You're being a jerk over nothing.
nvm
Then why remove the link? If it doesnt hurt anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lax
That question was answered in the original post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Tire
Guys, let's not pretend this is something it's not. Keyclone was paying Ellay, in exchange for links. Ellay needed/wanted that money to run the site. I don't need that money to run the site. The link in the header is no longer needed, just like the donate link and the ads.
You're not helping yourselves by acting like this over the link in the header.
Nothing against Rob, as I used Keyclone happily for quite a while, but this quote is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gurblash
If you are the author of a piece of software used heavily here and you go from being very active to only lurking and you stop updating your software with either new features or bug fixes, then you give people the impression you've abandoned your product.
I could be wrong, but I don't ever recall seeing a message from Rob saying he was going to focus on other pursuits (i.e. stop updating Keyclone). Then one day recently, out of the blue, Rob posts again that he has a new addon he was working on. That's fine, but it would have been nice to at least let people know you were moving on to another project before disappearing for however many years/months it was. After all, this community DID put money in your pocket. =)
RL taking priority is perfectly understandable. Just would have been nice to see a note saying you were going to stop adding features to Keyclone (updates were not always just bug fixes) and were going to be less active in the community. Something simple like "Hey guys, I need to focus more on RL, so I won't be around here much anymore and I am happy with where Keyclone is at, so I won't be updating that anymore." =)Quote:
Originally Posted by keyclone
Right, I understand. It sometimes tough to get people to admit to the truth when they want to be all PC about it as the way I read it in your initial post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lax
yes, i was paying Ellay for every db-keyclone... it was the only source of revenue (not counting the $40 from ads) for the site for years (until the last year?). it kept the community alive and the site funded. money from keyclone should actually fund the site for a few more years. but that's up to ellay. what he does with that is up to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lax
my only balk is the term 'community' while removing a link to a competing product. that's funny.
and the reason is ... it hasn't been updated? something needs updating? should we remove the d-b banner as well? it hasn't been updated in years.
i receive numerous calls each week and i always ask if they'd like something added. some having used it for years. the answer is always 'it does everything i need'. i'd agree, as i use it myself.
This conversation needs to be taken to another media other than this thread. I use both IS and Keyclone and dont like it when daddy and daddy fight.
We are seriously off topic here.
If you're wanting to pay me in exchange for a link in the header, just as I had to pay Ellay and you had to pay Ellay when he was the owner, then you can talk to me about that. This isn't the right way to begin those discussions.
rob thank you once again for an amazing piece of kit. Would have never made it to 5 boxing without it!!! The basic functionality still works even now.
I hope the health issues are resolving themselves.
As for links, Lax's call however an easier way to manage new starters would be a wiki type page showing all available software and hardware options with costs, features and how long to set up etc...
I'm looking forward to the same quality and open forum that we had under Ellay's management with Lax!
i did post that events occurred in my life that required more attention. after 3 years and 4k+ posts, i figured people could get by.. otherwise they'd call (which they do).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bollwerk
i didn't say i was no longer updating keyclone.. i would update when needed. some updates in other products are clearly over the line, and i wouldn't put those in (one key - one action)
as for moving on to other projects... an addon is trivial and i make those nightly for myself (the new one being an auto-gear check for bgs identifying the lamers). they aren't projects. AMX was very useful so i wrapped it up and offered it to the community.
It's only a fucking link jeeze.
I'm sure more people found out about both your products through word of mouth, or more importantly the "how the fuck do I multibox" thread than seeing a random link in the header they have no association with.
definitely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashley
removing the link is more symbolic then anything.
saying so in the same breath as promoting 'community' is just hilarious
Forums and other online communities are way different than your local city hall or whatever with statues of notable people/events.
I'm sure if you stuck around a bit more, or poked your head in a few times to give us an update on Keyclone, this argument wouldn't be happening.
Now you're just making an ass out of yourself by bitching over something so trivial rather than being mature, accepting where people are coming from and their reasons like an adult.
I've even told people to switch to ISBoxer because the future of Keyclone was uncertain.
Rob we are still in IRC if you'd like to come talk about it. Hugs are free.
Ellay made this site for boxers who loved boxing and while he fell out of love of boxing long ago he did had some mods step in and they have done a great job. My questions is now that this site is owned by a business for profit, are the mods now compensated? Just curious
I guess I am a little disappointed we never got this thread from ellay. He built a community for boxers to have a place to call home. Sure he of course didnt have to build the site in the first place and maybe feels like he doenst owe anybody anything. I dont know I just feel kinda meh about it. I hope ellay enjoys the cash lax paid for the site. I just feel like he took the money and ran, off the back of the community he greatly helped build while having someone else take any heat that might come from it.
There are very few members that have any connection to Ellay. Most have no idea who even owns this site, most just know Svpernova runs it because he is a bad ass. Time to move on and hope the community becomes a more active, fun place to be. Changes will happen, that's just the nature of the beast. Feathers will get ruffled, again just the nature of the beast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Tire
Lax has every right to do what he wants now that he owns this site. We hope and put trust in him that he will not change what is the core of this community, the sharing of ideas and openness to discuss everything about boxing. Let's give it some time and see where the road takes us, and as a community band together to keep it going.