Got bonus

Time for an upgrade?? Yes I know Falcon is spendy, but I don't enjoy building computers or dealing with issues. I'd rather just send it in for major problems or call tech support.

Anyways here is the setup, GFx card is not set in stone and yes they will OC the CPU. Thoughts?





Custom Configuration**


Here is your customized Mach V system configuration.


System Details

Chassis
ICON2 - Black Anodized
Chassis Logo Insert
White Light
Chassis Fan Kit
Standard Fan Pack
Power Supply
1000 Watt Modular
Motherboard
Maximus IV Extreme
Processor
2nd Generation Core i7 2600K 3.4GHz
Processor Cooler
Mach V Liquid Cooling
Processor Overclock
Mach V Processor Overclock
Memory
16GB (4x4GB) 1333MHz DDR3
Video Card
GeForce GTX 580 (1536MB)
Sound Card
On-Board Audio
Networking
On-Board Ethernet
PCIe Drive
No PCIe Drive
Hard Drive
500GB - 7200RPM - 3GB/s
Hard Drive 2
128GB - SSD - 6GB/s
Optical Drive
24x DVD Writer
Media Reader
Internal Media Reader
64-Bit Operating System
Windows 7 Home Premium
Warranty
3 Year Warranty - Parts and Service

Shipping options

UPS Ground : $219.76
UPS 2-Day : $456.94
UPS Overnight : $707.52
USPS (APO Only) : $670.00

Total System Price: $3814.01


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Originally Posted by Multibocks

Total System Price: $3814.01

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Holy shit dude....

I must be missing something, but where is all of that cost going?

EDIT: Priced out, that's about $2000 in parts using Newegg. That excludes a super fancy case and that water cooling.

I could build the exact same thing for 1/2 the cost or less.

If you have money to blow, go for it. Sounds awesome. If not, I'd build it myself.

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Originally Posted by Fenril

Holy shit dude....

I must be missing something, but where is all of that cost going?

EDIT: Priced out, that's about $2000 in parts using Newegg. That excludes a super fancy case and that water cooling.

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+1 for that.

Just pay someone locally a few hundred dollars to build it for you?

I agree with the start of your post to just get one from a manufacturer that has a nice warranty and support, but for 3800 is a bit excessive. Also for that cash you should not be spending any coin for shipping. It should be hand delivered by your supermodel of choice.

I recommend you build the same computer from at least 3 different places, compare prices, and do some searching for coupon codes that can cut some serious $$ from that bill.

I spent $300 less than this when I set my multi-boxing system up and that was 5 computers with glass from Dell.

1. I'm not interested in building
2. Where will this person that builds my system be when I don't know WTF just happened and it doesn't start up?
3. I like using one place for warranties and repairs.

Maybe if I were more interested in computers I would do it myself, but I find the whole process tiresome and not fulfilling.

I haven't settled on Falcon, but I don't want some fly by night operation that closes shop 2 days after taking my money. I bought a Vigor Gaming system last time and was extremely happy with it, however they disappeared overnight not too long ago. Any suggestions are welcome.

Ok what about this? It's maingear and I'm not too familiar with this company.



F131 Super Stock (system-F131-SS)
$1,914.00
$1,914.00

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Customizations:

Special Promotions:* $100 Instant Savings - Februrary Only!

$-100.00

Special Promotions:* FREE Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

Chassis:* F131 Super Stock - Solid Panel with Acoustic Dampening

Included

Exterior Finish:* F131 Super Stock - Stock Black

Included

Motherboard:* Asus® P8P67 Pro Featuring USB 3.0, SATA 6G, SLI and CrossFire

Included

Port Expansion Adapters:* Discrete SATA Controller

Included

M.A.R.C. Laser Engraving:* Yes, I'd like you to laser engrave my MAINGEAR. F131 Skullwing Pattern

Processor:* Intel® Core™ i7 2600K 3.4GHz/3.8GHz Turbo 8MB L3 Cache GT2

$149.00

Processor Cooling:* MAINGEAR LiquidX 1750 Supercooler [SINGLE FAN]

$49.00

MAINGEAR Redline Overclocking Service:* YES! - Redline™ Overclock My System!

$49.00

Memory:* 16GB Patriot® Division2 Viper Extreme DDR3-1866 Enhanced Latency (4x4GB)

$267.00

Graphics and GPGPU Accelerator:* NVIDIA® GeForce™ GTX 580 1.5GB GDDR5 w/ PhysX [ENTHUSIAST]

$335.00

Power Supply:* 660 Watt Seasonic® X-660 80+ Gold Certified Modular Power Supply ROHS

Included

Hard Drive Bay One:* 128GB Crucial® RealSSD™ C300 SATA 6G (w/TRIM)

$176.00

Hard Drive Bay Two:* 1.0TB Samsung F3 7200rpm 32MB Cache SATA

Included

Optical Drive One:* 24X Dual Layer DVD RW Drive w/ LightScribe Technology

Included

Audio:* 7.1+2 Channel High Definition Surround Sound Supporting S/DIF Optical In and Out

Included

Network Adapter:* On-board Gigabit Ethernet

Included

Bluetooth:* Integrated Bluetooth Technology Module

Included

Operating System:* Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

Included

The Final Finesse:* Designed, Manufactured, and Supported in the USA - Flawless Craftsmanship and Wire Management

Included

Angelic Service Warranty:* Lifetime Angelic Service Labor and Phone Support with 1 Year Hardware Warranty

Included

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* Product Subtotal: $2,839.00 * *


Sorry about the copy pasta, I'm on my phone browser.

Well great now I'm not so sure. I have read that C300 SSDs need TRIM or they lose performance drastically yet the Marvell controller on that Asus board does not issue the TRIM command. What?

I was also thinking of doing RAID 0 with C300s but now...

like everyone else, that price is out of this world lol.

also I am not sure you would even need to water cool a 2600k, just buy a great air cooler and overclock it :)
unless you are doing some "extreme benching", water cooling is not worth it these days for cpu's. Video cards are another story, but most of them can be cooled with air. I would go water cooling only if you want a silent running computer :)

as for the SSD question, doesn't the c300s have a native GC (garbage collection) on the drive firmware that performs the trim like functions? Also I am not sure if this has changed or it was a intel SSD limitation, but if you raid SSD's, don't you forfeit trim/GC because of the drives are in a raid?

Water cooling is free in the second setup. Also I didn't know that raid removes the ability to TRIM, so what do you do when your SSD performance drops?

Apparently, I'm in the wrong business.

From what I've read your C300s will be great in Raid 0, and Garbage Collection will keep them running fine and you won't get reduced performance.

If you happen to be particularly anal, you may resolve the Raid0 on the SSDs and let them sit so TRIM can then run.

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Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz

Apparently, I'm in the wrong business.

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Shipping i imagine...

AnyonE have an opinion on MainGear? Do you think they will be around for the three years of warranty?

Never heard of MainGear.

Personally, I recommend Puget Systems.
They are also kinda pricey, but they have fantastic service.

Gotta love Google Alerts. ;)

Multiblocks, thanks for your interest in MAINGEAR. To answer your question, we've been in business since 2002, have maintained a 10/10 on Reseller Ratings, and are an A+ BBB accredited business. All of our systems are built and supported in the USA.

Last year we were the most decorated boutique system builder with 14 Editors' Choice awards and were even awarded a CES 2011 Design and Innovations award for our SHIFT vertical heat dissipation chassis.

If you have any questions, I'm at extension 190 at our toll free number.

Best,

Chris Morley
CTO
MAINGEAR

Wow! That insane, I wondered if someone had come up with such a service. Leave it to google.

Check out Alienware, I believe they're now associated with Dell.

Chances are they're overpriced, similar to Falcon-Northwest.
But it is another company that does top end stuff.

I've probably find a local store, if you want a warranty and such.
A chain that has several stores might be decent too.
For example, if I want a warranty and such, I use www.memoryexpress.com
Which is a Calgary based company, but have stores in Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg and Vancouver.
They have a program called IPR - Instant Product Replacement; if something goes wrong, you get the same part brand-new, or a better part from the same manufacturer if your part is no longer available.
It is insurance, so chances are the price is more (on average) than it costs the company.
But no questions asked replacement can be nice, if something goes wrong.

Building yourself (which you said you don't want to do), or finding someone who will build it for you... is an option.
If you give them a couple hundred and buy pizza/beer.
Either approach is going to be a lot cheaper then a store/chain.
But there won't be the warranty.

lol multibocks bro, you can buy me some pizza and beer and a new wow mouse and i'll go easy on you in arenas :) since you're so gung ho to spend this big bonus of yours! muahhahaha
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Sure =)

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Hard Drive
500GB - 7200RPM - 3GB/s
Hard Drive 2
128GB - SSD - 6GB/s

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QUE?! QUE!?

All that money and you've only got ONE 500GB 7200 rpm drive in there? DUDE, there are 2TB+ drives out right meow! Also, moar SSDs.

At least you have a single 1tb in your second build.

You do know that sandy bridge motherboards have been recalled due to a chipset issue (that granted effects a small number of people over time, but still, recall is recall)

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Originally Posted by Sajuuk

You do know that sandy bridge motherboards have been recalled due to a chipset issue (that granted effects a small number of people over time, but still, recall is recall)

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Word on the street is that system builders are still allowed to sell these boards as long as they provide an expansion card to
replace the existing 3Gbps ports.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Sajuuk

QUE?! QUE!?

All that money and you've only got ONE 500GB 7200 rpm drive in there? DUDE, there are 2TB+ drives out right meow! Also, moar SSDs.

At least you have a single 1tb in your second build.

You do know that sandy bridge motherboards have been recalled due to a chipset issue (that granted effects a small number of people over time, but still, recall is recall)

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if you read the other posts in this thread you would have seen me asking about 2 SSDs in raid 0. Also I dont care about storage, my current computer doesnt have more than 150 GB stored on it. I'm not a DVD copier or, other than WoW, game player.

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Originally Posted by ChrisMorley

Gotta love Google Alerts. ;)

Multiblocks, thanks for your interest in MAINGEAR. To answer your question, we've been in business since 2002, have maintained a 10/10 on Reseller Ratings, and are an A+ BBB accredited business. All of our systems are built and supported in the USA.

Last year we were the most decorated boutique system builder with 14 Editors' Choice awards and were even awarded a CES 2011 Design and Innovations award for our SHIFT vertical heat dissipation chassis.

If you have any questions, I'm at extension 190 at our toll free number.

Best,

Chris Morley
CTO
MAINGEAR

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/gasp

Now that's a good example of service. + 1 for Chris.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Multibocks

if you read the other posts in this thread you would have seen me asking about 2 SSDs in raid 0. Also I dont care about storage, my current computer doesnt have more than 150 GB stored on it. I'm not a DVD copier or, other than WoW, game player.

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I'm really not a big fan of RAID 0 on SSDs - you lose TRIM which is crucial to ensuring that the drive array maintains its performance through the life of the system.

If you wait about two weeks there's some wicked fast drives coming out that will be as fast as the current gen in RAID 0. Sorry, I can't mention names. ;)

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Originally Posted by Littleburst

/gasp

Now that's a good example of service. + 1 for Chris.

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Thank you! ;)

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Multibocks

Ok what about this? It's maingear and I'm not too familiar with this company.

F131 Super Stock (system-F131-SS)
$1,914.00
$1,914.00
Customizations:
Special Promotions:* $100 Instant Savings - Februrary Only!
Special Promotions:* FREE Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
Chassis:* F131 Super Stock - Solid Panel with Acoustic Dampening
Exterior Finish:* F131 Super Stock - Stock Black
Motherboard:* Asus® P8P67 Pro Featuring USB 3.0, SATA 6G, SLI and CrossFire
Port Expansion Adapters:* Discrete SATA Controller
M.A.R.C. Laser Engraving:* Yes, I'd like you to laser engrave my MAINGEAR. F131 Skullwing Pattern
Processor:* Intel® Core™ i7 2600K 3.4GHz/3.8GHz Turbo 8MB L3 Cache GT2
Processor Cooling:* MAINGEAR LiquidX 1750 Supercooler [SINGLE FAN]
MAINGEAR Redline Overclocking Service:* YES! - Redline™ Overclock My System!
Memory:* 16GB Patriot® Division2 Viper Extreme DDR3-1866 Enhanced Latency (4x4GB)
Graphics and GPGPU Accelerator:* NVIDIA® GeForce™ GTX 580 1.5GB GDDR5 w/ PhysX [ENTHUSIAST]
Power Supply:* 660 Watt Seasonic® X-660 80+ Gold Certified Modular Power Supply ROHS
Hard Drive Bay One:* 128GB Crucial® RealSSD™ C300 SATA 6G (w/TRIM)
Hard Drive Bay Two:* 1.0TB Samsung F3 7200rpm 32MB Cache SATA
Optical Drive One:* 24X Dual Layer DVD RW Drive w/ LightScribe Technology
Audio:* 7.1+2 Channel High Definition Surround Sound Supporting S/DIF Optical In and Out
Network Adapter:* On-board Gigabit Ethernet
Bluetooth:* Integrated Bluetooth Technology Module
Operating System:* Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
The Final Finesse:* Designed, Manufactured, and Supported in the USA - Flawless Craftsmanship and Wire Management
Angelic Service Warranty:* Lifetime Angelic Service Labor and Phone Support with 1 Year Hardware Warranty
Product Subtotal: $2,839.00 * *


Sorry about the copy pasta, I'm on my phone browser.

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OK, finally got some free time to sit down and check this config out.

So currently you're configuring one of our B2 stepping Sandy Bridge configurations - we are allowed to sell these by Intel because we offer a discrete HDD controller. We can ship these within 10 days. In about 5 days I'm going to be switching this configuration back to the Intel DP67BG Extreme motherboard as I have a clear timeline on when I'm going to get the new B3 stepping boards in. And quite frankly, it's my favorite P67 board. It also includes 802.11n wireless and is a few bucks cheaper.

So if your money isn't burning a hole in your pocket, you might want to wait - in addition to that new SSD we'll be offering. ;)

Other than that, looks real solid. Don't expect to run more than one GPU off that 660W Seasonic however. It's a wonder PSU that performs as well as many 750W PSUs of lower caliber, but if I were to ever go to dual 580's I'd want an 850.

Ah woops I didnt have the right config shown there, I realized that the PSU was too low in output. I'll think I will wait to see what the new drives are then! Thanks Chris.

I wonder if Chris is referring to the OCZ Vertex3 or some other SSD with the new Sandforce 2500 controller. =)

so um.. handmedowns anybody? lol

I wouldn't want to embarass you =)

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Originally Posted by JackBurton

so um.. handmedowns anybody? lol

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sorry Jack, you are too late on this one...

i have either given away or sold off most of my old kit. :eek:

I generally go for very massive upgrades over the previous system.
And then keep them for three to four years, before the next upgrade.

And then have the current/new system to game on.
The second (previous system) for a web browser or miscellaneous computer.

And the third system, probably 6-8 years old...
Used to be passed along, but lately a bare-bones system for $250 has been superior.



Ironically, my roommate has a huge chain of handing down.
He does upgrades a lot more frequently.

So he upgrades his main system, say MB/Processor/Ram.
Moves that stuff to his second system.
And then moves from there to a friend's system (Mark).
Moves Mark's stuff to Mark's son's system (Kyle).
And with the last upgrade moves Kyle's stuff to another friends system (Jimmy).

They each kept their tower, power supply, hard drives, OS (had to reinstall Windows on a couple of them).
Quite a juggling act.

Man I gotta wait two weeks for an update. You are killing me MainGear!

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Originally Posted by ChrisMorley

I'm really not a big fan of RAID 0 on SSDs - you lose TRIM which is crucial to ensuring that the drive array maintains its performance through the life of the system.

If you wait about two weeks there's some wicked fast drives coming out that will be as fast as the current gen in RAID 0. Sorry, I can't mention names. ;)

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Chris is the Vertex 3s that were just added to the configurator what you were talking about?

so here is what I bought, sorry if the format sucks

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PRODUCT F131 Super Stock
PRICE $1,891.00
Special Promotions: $100 Instant Savings - MARCH $-100.00
MADNESS!
Special Promotions: FREE Call of Duty: Modern
Warfare 2
Chassis: F131 Super Stock - Solid Panel with Included
Acoustic Dampening
Exterior Finish: F131 Super Stock - Stock Black Included
Motherboard: Intel® DP67BG Extreme Series Included
Featuring USB 3.0 and SATA 6G [B3 Stepping]
M.A.R.C. Laser Engraving: Yes, I'd like you to
laser engrave my MAINGEAR. F131 Skullwing Pattern
Processor: Intel® Coreâ"¢ i7 2600K $149.00
3.4GHz/3.8GHz Turbo 8MB L3 Cache GT2
Processor Cooling: MAINGEAR LiquidX 1500 Included
Supercooler
MAINGEAR Redline Overclocking Service: YES! - $49.00
RedlineT Overclock My System!
Memory: 16GB Patriot® Division2 Viper Extreme $267.00
DDR3-1866 Enhanced Latency (4x4GB)
Graphics and GPGPU Accelerator: EVGA® $364.00
GeForceT GTX 580 Superclocked 1.5GB GDDR5
w/ PhysX [ENTHUSIAST]
Power Supply: 850 Watt Seasonic® X-850 80+ $59.00
Gold Certified Modular Power Supply ROHS
Hard Drive Bay One: 120GB Intel® 510 SSD SATA $207.00
6G (w/ TRIM) [450MB/s Reads]
Hard Drive Bay Two: 120GB Intel® 510 SSD SATA $304.00
6G (w/ TRIM) [450MB/s Reads]
Optical Drive One: 24X Dual Layer DVD RW Drive w/ Included
LightScribe Technology
Audio: 7.1+2 Channel High Definition Surround Included
Sound Supporting S/DIF Optical In and Out
Network Adapter: On-board Gigabit Ethernet Included
Wireless Network Adapter: Integrated 802.11b/g/n Included
Wireless - up to 300Mbps!
Bluetooth: Integrated Bluetooth Technology Module Included
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate $110.00
64-bit
Security Software: Microsoft Security Essentials
The Final Finesse: Designed, Manufactured, and Included
Supported in the USA - Flawless Craftsmanship and
Wire Management
Angelic Service Warranty: Lifetime Angelic Included
Service Labor and Phone Support with 1 Year
Hardware Warranty



Subtotal: $3,300.00

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Looks like a really nice system. Congrats and I hope it gets there soon! You should be flying with five accounts.

You ARE playing five accounts, aren't you? This would be totally wasted on one. ;)

Thats a lot of cash. I am looking at getting the vertex 3 ssd and upgrading to win 7. I have to get a new video card too. The new ATI 6990 is the fastest card on the market but it cost $700. I will probably go for a $350 card instead.

$3,300? LoL ... well.

Anyway the SSD seems a good choice (229 at newegg) but keep in mind that random reads of tiny files is most important for WoW (I was looking at the files accesses and there are a lot of tiny /under 16K/ reads)

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ps,2881-7.html

Although its dead last in this catagory there is no where near 20,000 i/os a second in wow, probably not even 5000 so ummm ....


I would not trust a $60 850 watt power supply but maybe prices have fallen since I last looked.




Pinotnoir Here is the best $300 video card for wow:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tchlink:top:en



Well looking forward to your reports on lag in capital city, looks like your computer should be almost texture lag free; lets see da results!

While it is no doubt a nice system, I would urge people who can hold out for the time being to wait for LGA 2011 later this year.
Unless AMD brings something to the table, I have a feeling Intel is going to be decimating benchmarks [and wallets] with LGA
2011. We'll hopefully be looking at 6 and 8 core 22nm processors at launch.