Alert Cata Levelers!!

If you're currently leveling toons, in preparation for cataclysm, STOP AT 79 !!!!

Unless you want to get some out of date gear for some reason to replace when Cata hits, wait at 79 until Cata is here. The rested XP does not stack when you are 80, so you are essentially missing out on some leveling speed once the patch hits.

Just a thought, realized it today, my level 76 melee team will be stopping at 79 until Dec 7th (more like Dec 10th since the game won't be available)

The only reason this would be irrelevant is if you think that my obtaining some good level 80 gear, your leveling experience will somehow be easier in Cata. I think at most I'll get some crafted pieces of gear for the levelers so they arn't so far behind in the early days.

Good to know. 79.99 here I come.

shouldn't you stop at 78.5? rested xp is maxxed at 30 bubbles (1.5 levels)

or are you saying that if you stop at 79.9 you'll have level 80 fully rested up to 81.4 ?
methinks you'll only get rested up to level 80, but not sure

Have had some toons with a lot more rested then others, at the start of an expansion.
Not sure if this was ever fixed, with rested capping.

I seem to remember having just a couple of bubbles on some.
And more then a level on others, when starting Burning Crusade.

But don't think I had much initial rested, with WotLK on any toons.
Might have just raced to 70th on each team, and dinged with very little rested, not sure on that.

it should be fixed this time around. all my characters when I leveled on beta had their blue wiped.

If you hit 80, your rest is wiped, but if you only get to 79, it should stay.

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Originally Posted by BrothelMeister

If you hit 80, your rest is wiped, but if you only get to 79, it should stay.

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You only get rested from 79 - 80 then. I showed up to Wrath a few months late, after being level 70 in TBC, and I didn't apply
an actual Wrath game code to my account until the day I started back up and I had no rested at all. How does stopping at level
79 give you rested past level 80 in Cataclysm?

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Originally Posted by Fenril

You only get rested from 79 - 80 then. I showed up to Wrath a few months late, after being level 70 in TBC, and I didn't apply
an actual Wrath game code to my account until the day I started back up and I had no rested at all. How does stopping at level
79 give you rested past level 80 in Cataclysm?

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I agree. I'm betting rested only starts accruing for levels past 80 once you've upgraded your account and the content is available (i.e. date of release). Until then they will cap your rested to not go past the level cap. In other words, it won't do you any good to stop at 79.9 and park yourself in an inn. Who knows, I could be wrong :D

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Originally Posted by Fenril

You only get rested from 79 - 80 then. I showed up to Wrath a few months late, after being level 70 in TBC, and I didn't apply
an actual Wrath game code to my account until the day I started back up and I had no rested at all. How does stopping at level
79 give you rested past level 80 in Cataclysm?

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If you are at the max level for your account, which you were at 70 with no upgrade to wrath, or as all 80s currently are, you STOP getting more rest.

If your character in question had been 69 without wrath upgrade, it probably would have had rest until 71 ish (since it stores 2x your level's worth of exp, and wrath levels are greater in requirement than BC, and Cata will be to Wrath's levels.

Only max level toons stop obtaining exp.

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Originally Posted by BrothelMeister

If you are at the max level for your account, which you were at 70 with no upgrade to wrath, or as all 80s currently are, you STOP getting more rest.

If your character in question had been 69 without wrath upgrade, it probably would have had rest until 71 ish (since it stores 2x your level's worth of exp, and wrath levels are greater in requirement than BC, and Cata will be to Wrath's levels.

Only max level toons stop obtaining exp.

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Max rested is 1.5 levels, but, I just don't see a reason why if the ceiling cap of rested is currently level 80, how you are going
to magically get around it? I guess we shall see come December 7th.

Who says the ceiling cap for rested exp is 80 for a level 79 character?

I says. But I'm guessing.

Rested for max level is wiped out above level cap when max level is.

This occurs for people that have levels caps at 60 that don't upgrade to tbc as well.

This also occurs with the trial came that has its level cap.

Rested in the UI and api calls keeps going to its theoretical max no matter what the level cap is. Even when the xp ranges are unknown it still marches on.

My guess is that you get rested xp *up to max level*
a level 79.5 will have 0.5level of rested xp max.
a level 80 will have 0 rested xp.
This is my understanding.

Not sure how they could calculate the rested xp anyway, as the current xp shown for level 80 has nothing to do with what you'll have to go through when cata comes. I guess they could do a % and grant the rested xp proportionaly, but my guess is that you won't be able to.

in any case, try it and tell us how it goes :-)
If you're right you'll get 1.5 level of rested, if not .. well, you'll have to kill a couple mobs to get to 80 first hehe

I don't really care either way, all my important toons are already 80

i think you will find it is restricted to only 1 level of xp and thats to 80, you would have to rest after cata to benifit the 2 levels of rest like normal.

im sure this is the case, there is no secret extra level of rest because your 79, its set to 80 and no more rested will exceed this until the release or upgrade etc.

imo

Well at any rate, even I won;t take my advice because I want to play level 80 content for fun for a few weeks on my melee team.

If you are planning on leveling to 80 and just letting the team sit until Cata though, give what I suggested a try, it might just work pretty well.

I think you have with lvl 80 1,5 xp bonus like in every addon

you cant see it now, but you get it and when cata is ready you got the full 1,5 bonus

I think in support of this theory is the fact that the level 80 XP bars are now showing how much you have, out of how much it takes to get to 81. I never saw that before the patch. So maybe it is actually calculating and storing that rested.
If not, stopping at 79.9 means he's only like 1 quest turn-in away from 80 and being where everyone else is. Good risk versus reward.

Oh btw, make sure you have a full questlog with completed quests when cata hits. Going to take you 10 minutes to fly around in northrend and turn in all the quests. Will net you about 500k xp and gives you a nice headstart. At least I have plenty of quests left to complete in icecrown / stormpeaks, not to mention the dailies.

dailies gave shit exp when Wotlk hit for tbc dailies. So dailies is prob not a good bet.

Even if dailies suck,get some level 79 leveling quests, they should still give reasonable EXP, and you can get a hell of a lot done and ready to turn in on December 7th. You can have all 25 slots ready to get EXP from

I endorse this plan B also, since I didn't think to use the 79 trick.
Skipping something like half of one level is just a huuuuge advantage. I mean that too, non-sarcastically non-ironically. As you work from 79-80 you find that most quests pay out 22050xp for the turn-in alone. That's somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 of a bubble (so 1/80 or 1/40 of a level).
25 turn-ins might not get you half of a level, but I'd clearly rather have it than not have it.
So, next payday I've gotta sign up for the digital upgrade! (canceled my gamestop pre-order)

I have so many teams, rested will build up naturally on each as I play the others. So not a concern for some of us. Besides you can go knock out guild achievements (dungeons) for some rested exp down time. Also I for one will not be rushing, like I did for Wrath, to max level. Sure you get ahead of the curve a bit for PvE but meh... not that important unless your in a raiding guild.

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Originally Posted by offive

I have so many teams, rested will build up naturally on each as I play the others. So not a concern for some of us. Besides you can go knock out guild achievements (dungeons) for some rested exp down time. Also I for one will not be rushing, like I did for Wrath, to max level. Sure you get ahead of the curve a bit for PvE but meh... not that important unless your in a raiding guild.

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Being ahead sounds important to me if you wanna quest your way up. I can see quite some bottleneck quests where people fight over spawns. If you are 1 level ahead, I figure you end up with quests/zones that are easier to complete.

I'll go with the full quest log from northrend/stormpeaks into cata. Then chain pulling rnadom wotlk hc dungeons till 81. And then move into cata.

While I'm totally psyched to start going through new content, since I do not want to spend launch week guzzling energy drinks and playing from the toilet so I can go NON STOP, I am not too worried on missing out on a bit of rested xp.

If Cata is anything like Wrath I will probably wander around going "Ooooooh! PRETTY!" in half of the zones for at least a week before I seriously get into gear with leveling.

And, as offive said, I'll be leveling both my main team and my off-teams (and a team of Worgen Druids) I bet I'll have plenty of rested all around due to switching off.

Also: I am probably going to spend at least 80-81 on my main team leveling in the first dungeon, just so I can learn the new tricks we'll need for Cata. It should be fun!

Expect to say "Oooh pretty" or "Wow" a lot in Vash and Uldum. Hyjal, Deepholme, and Twilight Highlands are kinda standard.

Yes there are some really big bottle necks in Hyjal and Vash... expect to get stuck for an extended period of time right off the bat in either. Also keep in mind you can farm plants and ore like mad once you get Azeroth flying, I might do that just to stock pile until the rush slows in the first couple of zones. If you can get your skill ups off the Hyjal nodes fast enough you can get ahead of the masses and really have your pick of the good stuff. Not sure if the the whole group still gets exp from node farming still... but if it does, keep your team with you while you farm.

There are so many things you can do that will be way less frustrating that the dreaded collection quests or camping the spawn points for fire elementals / water snakes.

Of course I want to see which nut on this forum maxes out Archeology on 5 accounts first! Ugh horrible thought... the pain!

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Originally Posted by zenga

Being ahead sounds important to me if you wanna quest your way up. I can see quite some bottleneck quests where people fight over spawns. If you are 1 level ahead, I figure you end up with quests/zones that are easier to complete.

I'll go with the full quest log from northrend/stormpeaks into cata. Then chain pulling rnadom wotlk hc dungeons till 81. And then move into cata.

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Keep in mind that the new zones are quite linear in questing. You have to complete quests in a certain order to keep going. This is where I think Blizzard messed up, even in wrath you could jump around a bit in a zone. But the phasing and linear quest lines in Hyjal and Vash... well lets just say it's going to make life tough and kinda bad for replayability.

The good news is that it only takes a few hours to knock out either of the starting zones if you don't get stopped by the spawn rates.

I take it there is no questing needed to be able to access a dungeon? In other words, in order to unlock a quest to access a dungeon, you don't need to complete a couple of other chains?

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Originally Posted by zenga

I take it there is no questing needed to be able to access a dungeon? In other words, in order to unlock a quest to access a dungeon, you don't need to complete a couple of other chains?

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That is a big change in Cata, all instance quests are located just inside the entrance to the instance! No more chains, no more missing instance quests. The only locks you might have are being able to use the LFD tool to run instances. If you don't meet the average ilvl gear requirement you can't use LFD. The simple solution is to go to the dungeon entrance and zone in.

You do have to go to the entrance of new instances at least once to "discover" them, after that with a high enough ilvl you can use LFD for everything. Which will be ideal for most of the new 5 mans since they all require a bit of travel to reach them.

There had been some talk about quest logs being cleared when the expansion hits since so many old world quests are being changed or removed. This gives me pause about stacking completed quests or dailies. Has here been any official post about it?

If you go this way tho, you'll be gimping your gear, hence slowing your progressing at 80.

Cata instances aren't going to be a walk in the park for a undergeared 80. I'd suggest working on your crafting for a few days earning up some rested:)

And the questing will be possible, but as far as I read, there stuffed with collections which we all know suck badly to box. I bet even the group quests will be rough for undergeared 80's. There is a huge jump in GS past 80, so stuff will most likely be tough to run.

Sadly I have no teams near 80 that arent 80 yet. Instead ill just be rotating through my different teams on the way to 85 (lvl 81 team 1, lvl 81 team 2, lvl 81 team 3, lvl 82 team 1... ect.) :D or just farm herbs/ore or other professions for a few days, like stated already.

Rested xp does not accumulate for getting you any higher than 80, so the only way to start with full rested would be to have stopped at 78.5, which would be rather pointless, since you'd not be ahead at all.

The only way to do it effectively which he stated later in this thread was to complete 25 quests and dont turn them in and be at about lvl 79.6 then on dec 7 turn them all in and walla 80 with .4 of a lvl rested :P

On another site I recall a player talking about having a quest log full of completed quests requiring only a turn-in. He figured that on day one, as everyone was swarming over the initial quest areas, he would simply fly around and turn in his 25 quests and get somewhere around 500,000 experience from those. Maybe it's a good idea, maybe it doesn't really help as much as he expects.

To be honest, I hadn't thought about it because I tend to level and play at my own pace. How many months has it been since I had a level 80 character? Heck, how many months since I have had seven of them? I don't even remember how long ago it was since I started spending most of my time farming content. I'm not in a hurry. By the time the follow-up to Cataclysm ships, I might have as many as 20-30 characters at level 85 and at least two of each profession max'ed.

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Originally Posted by Tonuss

On another site I recall a player talking about having a quest log full of completed quests requiring only a turn-in. He figured that on day one, as everyone was swarming over the initial quest areas, he would simply fly around and turn in his 25 quests and get somewhere around 500,000 experience from those. Maybe it's a good idea, maybe it doesn't really help as much as he expects.

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"Just don't forget to place your HS to Stormwind/Orgrimmar, before you lay to rest in Dalaran at Dec 6. The portals won't be there when you wake up. So just fly a circle in Storm peaks and Icecrown, net 25*20K = 500K XP, press your HS and you can go to the questgiver bulletin.

One more tip: /who the two zones (Vashij'ir and Mount Hyjal) and choose the less populated. Don't forget to do it on the opposing faction, especially in PvP server, and if it shows 49 players, pick some classes (/who mage vashij'ir).

PS: many commenter say that the vial of poison does not give XP in Beta, so don't collect this quest."

http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/201...aration-2.html

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Originally Posted by Feider

There had been some talk about quest logs being cleared when the expansion hits since so many old world quests are being changed or removed. This gives me pause about stacking completed quests or dailies. Has here been any official post about it?

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I haven't seen any but even if that were true, it should only be for azeroth. WotLK zones aren't changing