Next nVidia gpu - GF 100

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01-23-2010, 09:19 AM
Pycno

Next nVidia gpu - GF 100

The latest generation of nVidia GPU is scheduled for release in March 2010, little is known about its performance at this point but it does offer some interesting features such as 3D Surround (nVidias "EyeFinity ").

3D surround will not work on a single GPU but will instead require two GPU's in SLI mode. One GPU will run center + left screen and another the right screen. DisplayPort is not required, normal DVI/HDMI connectors will work.
If your monitor supports 3D you can combine this with 3D-goggles for added visual effects, very awesome.

Im not sure if this is worth waiting for, but since I dont have a choice (I return home in march) Ill be waiting anyway. I dont like multi-gpu solutions, and since this is a brand new feature from nVidia I suppose it will have many bugs that will need to be ironed out.

It also surprises me that one GPU will run the center+left display, it would be much better if there was a dedicated gpu for the side displays. Its in the center display you want the highest fps, not your right-hand display.

When nVidia GF100 Fermi releases in march, the ATI 5000 series will already be 6 months old.

Will the next nVidia-card match ATI 5870 in performance? Will Nvidia's Surround be a real alternative for EyeFinity?
01-23-2010, 08:44 PM
Sajuuk

Sorry, I don't want to rebuy three 100Hz monitors for a 3d experience.

If you've been following fermi in any way you'd know this already.
01-23-2010, 11:40 PM
Nuclearone

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajuuk

Sorry, I don't want to rebuy three 100Hz monitors for a 3d experience.

If you've been following fermi in any way you'd know this already.

Two points:
1. Is there a history here that explains the tone of your post?
2. What are you talking about?
01-24-2010, 05:32 AM
Ughmahedhurtz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuclearone

Two points:
1. Is there a history here that explains the tone of your post?
2. What are you talking about?

Inquiring minds wanna know.
01-24-2010, 07:15 AM
Pycno

Nvidia might launch an "TWIMTBP" (The way its meant to be played) and make dubious deals where games are optimized to work best with Nvidia gpu's.

This concerns me, Nvidia might make modern games incompatible with Eyefinity, and only work with nvidia surround.

I hope this doesnt happen :)

Im not in the mood for purchasing another 3x new LCD's, maybe in a year or so when they have improved and come with with less bezels.. So I wont have any need for nvidia 3d technology.
01-24-2010, 07:38 PM
Sajuuk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuclearone

Two points:
1. Is there a history here that explains the tone of your post?
2. What are you talking about?

1. No history, just frustration.
2. Current 3D solutions for the consumer require a 120hz monitor and special glasses/goggles. Also, 3D surround is simply nvidia's reaction to eyefinity, with their own twist/way to make money (nvidia 3d surround certified monitors that cost a boatload, anyone?). Please note the requirement of two gpus in sli for 3d surround (Doesn't have to be fermi) is a grab to keep their current consumer base (who could just buy another one of their current gpus instead having to buy two fermi cards, versus buying one 5XXX series card (or two lower end cards and crossfiring them for less).

Let's not forget nvidia's pricing policy on cards. It's going to start retailing at a very high price point, regardless of actual price/performance/power usage.

Oh, regarding playing across multiple monitors (3+) without a 5XXX card/fermi/SLI'd(identical) cards, it's been done for a long time via solutions such as SoftTH (software triple head) and Matrox TripleHead2Go.
01-24-2010, 08:00 PM
Ughmahedhurtz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajuuk

Oh, regarding playing across multiple monitors without a 5XXX card/fermi, it's been done for a long time via solutions such as SoftTH (software triple head) and Matrox TripleHead2Go.

My 8800GT will play across multiple monitors without a 5xxx card/farmi too and without solutions like SoftTH or Matrox TripleSuck2Go.

/makesmewonderwhatyourpointis

If you're just not happy with NVidia, hey, that's cool. You might mention that, though, instead of what looks like borderline trolling. ;)
01-24-2010, 09:18 PM
Sajuuk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz

My 8800GT will play across multiple monitors without a 5xxx card/farmi too and without solutions like SoftTH or Matrox TripleSuck2Go.

/makesmewonderwhatyourpointis

If you're just not happy with NVidia, hey, that's cool. You might mention that, though, instead of what looks like borderline trolling. ;)

Post revised to clarify multi-monitor gaming in this situation to be with three monitors.
01-25-2010, 06:23 AM
Pycno

2 Monitor gaming doesnt sound so fun, having your character/weapon/ship or whatever in the middle of two bezels from the two screens.
01-26-2010, 06:26 AM
Ualaa

I used to go with Nvidia exclusively.
Switched to ATI, a couple years back.

For some reason, when I upgraded my system.
From Q6600, DDR2, and motherboard.
To Asus P6T, 12gb DDR3, i7 920.
The slaves would periodically (randomly) freeze.
Replacing parts as an experimentation..
A GTX275 (Nvidia) card, removed this.

ATI seems like a better card for the same cash.
But, my system doesn't like the 4870X2.
The GTX275 runs wow fine on a single monitor (2560x1600).
But I'd like to go with a second 30" monitor.
4 Slaves on one, main on another.
Not sure how a my card will like that.

5870 vs GF100.. ?
Could care less of Eyefiniti/3D Surround, or DX10.
01-26-2010, 09:30 PM
Sajuuk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ualaa

I used to go with Nvidia exclusively.
Switched to ATI, a couple years back.

For some reason, when I upgraded my system.
From Q6600, DDR2, and motherboard.
To Asus P6T, 12gb DDR3, i7 920.
The slaves would periodically (randomly) freeze.
Replacing parts as an experimentation..
A GTX275 (Nvidia) card, removed this.

ATI seems like a better card for the same cash.
But, my system doesn't like the 4870X2.
The GTX275 runs wow fine on a single monitor (2560x1600).
But I'd like to go with a second 30" monitor.
4 Slaves on one, main on another.
Not sure how a my card will like that.

5870 vs GF100.. ?
Could care less of Eyefiniti/3D Surround, or DX10.

Looks like poetry. :)

Also, sounds like an issue with drivers (I've had some issues no freezing on slaves, for instance I can't use the 9.12 drivers while multiboxing or performance tanks across the entire system)
02-21-2010, 07:19 AM
jstanthr

according to the new specs for the fermi cards (gtx 470-480) they can run 3 mon on a single card, and sli. it was a driver issue they resolved to better compete with eyefinity.
02-21-2010, 03:57 PM
thefunk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajuuk

Looks like poetry. :)

Also, sounds like an issue with drivers (I've had some issues no freezing on slaves, for instance I can't use the 9.12 drivers while multiboxing or performance tanks across the entire system)

Yeah Ualaa's posts read like Ted Hughes...hehe when you get random Boxer hater abuse do you reply with poetic insults? Maybe I'll try that one out next time:

IT is actually legal
So you'd better be mindful
Just coz you're playing a midget
you're still an idiot
02-22-2010, 02:26 PM
Freddie

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/02/...gtx480-scores/
03-02-2010, 03:46 AM
Oswyn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pycno

2 Monitor gaming doesnt sound so fun, having your character/weapon/ship or whatever in the middle of two bezels from the two screens.

Three monitors would be the ideal solution with most of the UI/Interface on the middle screen. Samsung will be releasing new thin bezel monitors for ATI Eyefinity. With nVidia jumping on board, I hope monitor guys follow suit.
03-27-2010, 08:07 AM
Pycno

Epic fail :/

i even doubt the release will make ati upgrade their cards or lower prices.. The nvidia card just cant really compete with the now old ati cards imo, nvidia certainly got slaughtered in this round
03-27-2010, 12:00 PM
MiRai

Another review/benchmark:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...-480,2585.html

Pretty disappointing. :(
03-27-2010, 09:19 PM
Sajuuk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fenril

Another review/benchmark:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...-480,2585.html

Pretty disappointing. :(

I have one thing to say about Fermi.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

//mainly from the fact that ATI/NVidia DX11 cards trade top spots in performance in various games, so they're about equal, yet Fermi cards cost MORE all around. (~100W GREATER THAN ATI'S 5800 series at load) produce MORE HEAT, and are LOUD at high temperatures.

Let's not forget you have to have SLI for nvidia's rendition of Surround gaming. And while I did hear you would be able to do it with SLI'd older cards (260, etc), it's still a lot more money to buy two cards than it is to buy one 5850.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/...480_sli_review
03-30-2010, 03:07 PM
jinkobi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ualaa

I used to go with Nvidia exclusively.
Switched to ATI, a couple years back.

For some reason, when I upgraded my system.
From Q6600, DDR2, and motherboard.
To Asus P6T, 12gb DDR3, i7 920.
The slaves would periodically (randomly) freeze.
Replacing parts as an experimentation..
A GTX275 (Nvidia) card, removed this.

ATI seems like a better card for the same cash.
But, my system doesn't like the 4870X2.
The GTX275 runs wow fine on a single monitor (2560x1600).
But I'd like to go with a second 30" monitor.
4 Slaves on one, main on another.
Not sure how a my card will like that.

5870 vs GF100.. ?
Could care less of Eyefiniti/3D Surround, or DX10.

ATI sucks.

Never had one that didn't run 10X hotter than an Nvidia of similar model.

They're cheaper for a reason- and you get what you pay for!
03-30-2010, 04:15 PM
Pycno

jinkobi, ATI and Nvidia are still in competition as both are competetive. If either one sucked they would go bankrupt imo
03-31-2010, 04:22 PM
Sajuuk

Quote:

Originally Posted by jinkobi

ATI sucks.

Never had one that didn't run 10X hotter than an Nvidia of similar model.

They're cheaper for a reason- and you get what you pay for!

You obviously haven't looked at reviews comparing GF100/5XXX's, have you?

Tool.

Current gen nvidia cards (gf100) consume on average 100W greater than the competition at load. Oh, and they run hotter. And idle hotter. Oh, and good luck not having a furnace with a GTX480 with dual monitors. (Something like idling at 90c)
03-31-2010, 05:41 PM
Oswyn

Quote:

Originally Posted by jinkobi

ATI sucks. !

Your opinion and you're entitled to it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jinkobi

Never had one that didn't run 10X hotter than an Nvidia of similar model.

You've had bad luck with cards then. User experience will vary. I would like to see an example of what "similar" models you are referring to.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jinkobi

They're cheaper for a reason- and you get what you pay for!

Absolutely a false statement.