Rebuilding computers for the 3rd time in 8 months ... lol.

Ok I log on my guys and go into Org, my main computer (one character) is fine. 4 of my other computers is like 10fps (up from 2fps from the last build lol) but the 5th is 30fps (all running 5 toons). So Im looking at why the one computer is better as they have the same ram, video card (9600), and processor (5600 amd). So the difference is the motherboard chipset. The 30fps is a nvidia 570 whereas the other 4 are the newer nvidia 8200, then I run Sandra on both and the older 570 is like 173 percent faster at the memory test. So Im like WTF (what the frog), cause I bought the 8200 motherboards figuring they are newer thus faster. Well doh they not.

So ordering 4 new motherboards today ...

Point of all this is that I am shocked that the motherboard chipset is makeing a 3X difference in frame rates, as I would have thought that the Video Card or CPU is more important.


Here is some tech stuff for those interested:

Nvidia 570:

http://www.nvidia.com/page/nforce5_amd.html

Nvidia 8200:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product...0_mgpu_us.html

Going to get these:

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...81&modelmenu=2

Hey Sam,

Sucks that you have to buy new mobos. Did you look at / consider getting an i7 setup for all (5?) of your machines instead?

Cheers!

yay thanks sam! you've just helped out some starving folks over in silicon valley pay their bills, so those companies, in turn, can pay me (and many of their employees) for sitting here checking credit scores, analyzing financial info and overall goof off at work.

Seems odd to me. You sure it's not a configuration issue? are you certain that is the only difference between them???

My guess is, it's a bios setting. Or the slow machines aren't seeing all their physical ram. Something along those lines.

Maybe the bios on the slow machines is setting crazy ram timings. What's the rate of hard page faults per second on the slow machines? (Edit: Those last two sentences aren't related. I'm just tossing out ideas.)

in most cases i would actually work out whats wrong. this time its an error between user and keyboard.

Boy I been reading about motherboards for the last 8 hours ... bleh.

Well the 590 SLI was the top of the line 2 years ago.

8200 is for home theater usage. Im going to drop it, its not for gaming enthusists anyways.

But is the new 780a better then the 2 year old 590 SLI? ....

Is the cheaper 750a as good as or worse then the 590 SLI.


I made error the faster computer is a 590 SLI (also 6400 processor) the slower is the 8200 (and 5600 processor). Also the slower has 2X2G the faster 4X1G. All the timeings are exatly the same (5-5-5-15 3-21-6-3 2T), I turned on some HT thing but it made no difference.

It could be bios settings but I am going more by others reviews then my own benchmarks.

That 590 SLI / 6400 processor is a tough to beat combo is seems (the new Quad Cores have WORSE memory benchmarks).

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...-Read,808.html


I mean why is the new Nvidia stuff not destroying their 2 year old product? I think what it is is that everything new has an Integrated GPU which is hurting the overall performance.

I know taht I get good FPS in Org with the 590/6400 combo maybe I should just stick with that instead of the newer stuffs.

You like to throw money at a problem don't you, Mr transfer 25 lvl 22 toons from old account to new accounts?

So just buy 5 brand new top of the line Alienware desktops plus all peripherals and put the old computers out for scrap.

Then employ some IT support lackey to reconfigure your WoW setup and help out the economy.

Lastly, remember that a fool and his money are soon parted.

Well I think I got this worked out.

Nvidia has the 8200 but there is no such thing as the nforce 8 series. I thought this was the latest product and more advanced then the nforce 7 series.

Turns out the 8200 is actually the 720D:

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=149&l3=813

So looking at this page:

http://www.nvidia.com/page/mobo.html

Solutions for AMD
nForce 780a SLI
nForce 750a SLI
nForce 730a
nForce 720a
nForce 720D
nForce 600 series
nForce 500 series

Now the most current is the 780a, but is it the top of the line? Well in their video card series the x900 is the top of the line (8900, 7900 etc.). And the x800 is the 2nd best in the line, the x600 the value and the x200 or x400 or x500 complete garbage.

In the 500 series the 590 SIL (which I have) was the top of the line
In the 600 series there is only one part 680a
In the 700 series the 780a is the top

Now notice of those three only the 590 has the 9 in it. They have yet to make its real replacement which would be the 790a (which has been kinda announced but I dont see any boards available).

So the upshot is that there is no real reason to suppose that the newer parts are better then the 590SIL (although they may have some features the older product does not), and I kinda got snookered thinking that the 8200 was a nforce 8 series part ... oh well.

So some guy in China has 4 used 590 SiL boards for $400 total so I jump on those and hope they work lol ...

Anyway to the critics, Ill be in Org and I hope Shatt on 26 guys with 30fps on 25 and 60 plus on the 1.

no1 cares.

Interesting games the manufacturer's play with series numbers, vs performance.

The real test will be to see how they work once you get them going. Once you get all the machines running, and all characters available, you might find a friendly level 75+ mage to port your groups to Dalaran. If they'll move flawlessly there, they'll be good anywhere. I hardware multibox, and one of my computers really struggles there, even with only one character on it. Yean, its old and tired, but it works fine everywhere else :)

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in most cases i would actually work out whats wrong. this time its an error between user and keyboard.

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You like to throw money at a problem don't you, Mr transfer 25 lvl 22 toons from old account to new accounts?

So just buy 5 brand new top of the line Alienware desktops plus all peripherals and put the old computers out for scrap.

Then employ some IT support lackey to reconfigure your WoW setup and help out the economy.

Lastly, remember that a fool and his money are soon parted.

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no1 cares.

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Congratulations on you three for winning asses-of-the-site awards. If anyone other than Sam posted this exact same thread you either wouldn't have posted here at all or you would have been somewhat helpful. The OP did not insult anyone, didn't brag at all, simply detailed a problem he was having and asked a bit for some advice. Apparently your mommy's never told you about manners.

hahaha do i get a new status?
no seriously this guy asks for advice, then says he will do it his way and just ignores everyone anyway. usually costing him 25 times what anyone else would pay if they stopped to think about it. imo it would be pointless saying what was wrong cause he would just do something stupid like buy 5 more pcs then waste another 3 months setting up the new pcs.

I just wish I had Sam's budget.

It's his money, let him spend it how he will.

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in most cases i would actually work out whats wrong. this time its an error between user and keyboard.

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You like to throw money at a problem don't you, Mr transfer 25 lvl 22 toons from old account to new accounts?

So just buy 5 brand new top of the line Alienware desktops plus all peripherals and put the old computers out for scrap.

Then employ some IT support lackey to reconfigure your WoW setup and help out the economy.

Lastly, remember that a fool and his money are soon parted.

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no1 cares.

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Congratulations on you three for winning asses-of-the-site awards. If anyone other than Sam posted this exact same thread you either wouldn't have posted here at all or you would have been somewhat helpful. The OP did not insult anyone, didn't brag at all, simply detailed a problem he was having and asked a bit for some advice. Apparently your mommy's never told you about manners.

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Hachoo,

I think people have taken this attitude on Sam because most of them have tried to offer him advice in the past, just to have it ignored. Sure, some of the advice was better than others, but in general, even the good advice that people give Sam appears to fall on deaf ears. Most of us, yourself included, don't even comment on Sam's threads - or if we do, we offer either light humor, or a suggestion - knowing that it will be disregarded.

I don't think that people are lashing out at Sam because of jealousy or envy, but rather, because of his well defined claims which have been just that - claims. There are very few people left on these boards that even believe Sam will make it to level 70, let alone 80. And, if history is any indicator (past performance), they would be correct. I personally think Sam can do it, but I wish that he would listen to some of the people on these forums. Most people that write a post asking for advice actually take it, yet it does not appear to be the case here. Some of the members of this community have become very disrespectful to Sam, but when you look at what he has claimed, can you really blame them (again, I would advise just to ignore his posts if they irritate you, rather than writing something unhelpful)?

Now, just in my opinion here, but I would think that a "intelligent" person, new to boxing, would start with 5 characters (as has been suggested numerous times), learn the game, then move forward. Even with unlimited money, what's the point of having 100 accounts if you can't level them efficiently to help support your claims? From my perspective, leveling has been quicker the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, times around when building characters - I think Sam would experience the same thing too. I think most of us can attest to faster leveling methods once we get the "boxing" concept down.

Sorry that this has gotten quite long winded, but I realize that the best advice that we can give people is to just ignore Sams threads (if they don't like them), but that's hard - we're all human, and we're all curious.

Rin

Only "advice" I see is to buy Alienware ... odd advice from someone suggesting that a fool and his money are soon parted ...

What does leveling up 5 at a time have to do with which AM2 Nvidia Chipset has the best memory bandwidth?

I'm going to be taking Keyclone advice on the 5 instances at a time, if I can do it, so its not like I ignor everything.

Maybe none care, but someone who is thinking of buying a AM2 motherboard might find this thread usefull, doubt anyone else will.

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"New to boxing" ya sure ....

www.samdeathwalker.com

I don't need to learn how to level 5 at a time, I need to learn how to level 26 at a time as thats what I will be doing. Telling a 25 boxer to level 5 at a time is like someone telling a 5 boxer to level 1 at a time.....

Obviously I was six boxing and posting about it 1-23-2003:

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/retar...rver-wide.html

Anyway spending $490 ($90 shipping) for 4 590SLI Crosshair motherboards. Thats a steal.

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...83&modelmenu=1

Sam-- A buddy of mine built a new system around a 590SLI Crossfire motherboard recently and she reports it's working out fine.

* * *

As far as the "Sam Hate" issue is concerned, I am a bit guilty of this from time to time. My thoughts are:

* Sam has chosen a multiboxing path that is very different from most of the community here. The vast majority of us don't understand why he's doing what he's doing, which has led to some harsh criticism.

* Sam has generally responded by ignoring the unconstructive feedback, but he's also ignored a fair amount of constructive feedback/advice as well. More than once, this has led to his painful public admissions of "oops, you told me so".

Personally, I view Sam as the multiboxing community's Don Quixote-- he's out there jousting with the 26-man multiboxing windmill at the moment. Does that mean that it's open season to abuse him on these forums, probably not. However, I think Sam should understand that he's probably always not going to get the rousing support from everyone given that he is embarking on a journey most do not identify with.

I have faith in him that he will eventually get all his 26 (why, Sam, why 26?!) guys to L80. Unfortunately, I think this will be a Pyrrhic victory for Sam-- he will have 26 L80s and then figure out that he is extremely limited in what he has accomplished (or will accomplish)-- other than making a big "I did it!" post here on d-b.com

keep in mind northrend is a lot more taxing on resources than older areas -- my PC gets 60+ fps in org/shatt with 5 WoWs running, and gets 4-8 fps in dalaran with gfx turned all the way down.

and yeah, I'd suggest 5x intel quad core systems, they are the best bang for the buck for multiboxers right now. A asus or gigabyte motherboard is fine, whatever happens to be cheapest. You can build 5x 8gb, q9550 (or q6600) systems with 260+ video cards running Vista64 for around $1k each, and you will get 60 fps with 5 wows in most areas. Moving up to a Intel i7 is the fastest option, but it gives you a 30-40% improvement for a 70-100% price difference (wrt to motherboard and memory, the CPUs are priced the same).


And by the time Sam hits 80 we will all be 90 :)

I dont have wotlk yet (just BC) so Ill just deal with what Ill be doing for the next 3-6 months.

I probably go with a tyan server motherboard before a i7 system, given the cost isnt all that much more.

Things take time Im still still waiting on my accounts transfers to be done, since the rename.

I predict in a months time he will still be waiting on account transfers to be done - then he'll want to change their names again so he has another excuse for 3 months.

All this time you've been waiting for account transfers couldn't you have got your guys back to what, level 20 or whatever they were? lol honestly.

Stick to EQ

Sam, do you have a wife?

No.

Well Blizzard finally got back to me, looks like they cant transfer again for 30 days, oh well kinda a mess but I have to deal with it for 30 days anyway I guess. Anyway logged in and binding everyone in Shatt now.

Got the motherboards from China and they should ship later today.

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No.

Well Blizzard finally got back to me, looks like they cant transfer again for 30 days, oh well kinda a mess but I have to deal with it for 30 days anyway I guess. Anyway logged in and binding everyone in Shatt now.

Got the motherboards from China and they should ship later today.

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Is everything you say a lie?

>they cant transfer again for 30 days

So are we to take that to mean that this is the SECOND time you're trying to transfer the same characters?

I'm calling you a liar and a blaggart - if you have genuine proof kindly post it here and I'll withdraw my accusation and apologise.

p.s. Hachoo - when someone seems to be puffing themselves up and lying to everyone around it's not rude to call their bluff or ask for some proof, but it is rude to call people asses.

Ya it is the 2nd time for the 8 guys I renamed, when they did the first transfer I wasnt clear enough that 8 guys were to go to different named accounts, as compared to stright accross. At any rate although everything is a mess right now, I can play I guess, and in 30 days Ill just transfer those 8.

I just wanted all my guys to be organized as a group per computer, and all the leaders to be the trade skill guys. Right now 5 guys arent getting RAF if I group by name/computer. But they get rested and I can find out who they raf with and group them, but its a mess over all right now. In 30 days Ill be golden.

Orignally I set it up so that each group was at the same postion but on 5 computers, but I figured that its better to loot if you have one guy from each group always visible, just in case the tag goes wrong. With FFA one computer should show the sparkels.

Yur calling me a braggart? Where did you get such shrewd powers of observation from?

Errr wait Im a "blaggart". Is that better or worse then being a "keyboard turner"?


Oh ya if I was going to lie you would think I would say something besides "Ok after 90 days of RAF I got to level 24!" ... I mean lol ...

Proof of what that I have 26 accounts?

Go to the armory and type in samdeathwk (aa,ab,ac,ad,ae,ba,bb,bc etc.). They is all shaman from ner'zhul. So the first is Samdeathwkaa. Leader is Samdeathwkzz (Pal).

sam, just an idea, while you wait for the 30 days to be up why dont you use this time to 5 box a different team to 60 ( let me finish) get them proffs and then farm the gold you might need during your leveling time. that way when you are able to play all 26 at once you can do it without having to spend time leveling up proffessions as you wont be in dire need of gold just yet. then when your chars are level 60 (all 26 of them) you can go back and level the proffs that you want to without being stuck for gold.

only 5 box the second team for speed to level 60 (you can use these as bank chars later on once your main team of 26 is level 60+)

/popcorn

Im not waiting 30 days, Im playing. Logged in last night, things are a lot more complicated then I want but still Im not going to sit around anymore. Got like 16 bound in shatt before a computer went down (just going to swap in a 8600 video card for 9600 card, don't know why the 9600 dont like that motherboard).

Basically I have two setup, the sane one where every group is on a computer but like 5-8 guys not getting Raf, or the complicated one where everyone is on RaF but guys are on random computers and I can't find anyone lol ...

Ill have a report on Keyclone idea in a few days.

Maybe you've already answered this Sam, but why the interest in trade skills? They shouldn't even be on the radar at this point.

In this game, it's almost always best to level first and do everything else after.

I have no gold for spells ......

6 million plat in EQ1 and 40 gold in WoW ....

he needs that new level of frostband weapon and searing totem, its critical for leveling

it would be fun to start a pool on when you think Sam will hit level 80 on 26 different characters. I would bet Jan 2013, because in late 2012 I am pretty sure Blizzard is going to be releasing a new MMO. Thus once again proving the old saying, Sam conquers an MMO when no one is left playing.

amazing amount of attacks from people that don't even attempt it

funny how prepared doesn't get this kind of attacks, even tho he's boxing 10-15 more toons.

ow yeah, i remember now. He didn't brag about it for 3 months prior to doing anything in wow at all. Including (but not exhaustive) saying he was the best boxer, the biggest boxer, and (ironic isn't it) the best equipped computer wise.
Mr Deathwalker did. Repeatedly.

/moar popcorn

Prepared dosn't really post all that much ...

I'm not claiming to be the best boxer in WoW at all, many many are ahead of me, Im like last right now.

In EQ I really don't see anyone who is claiming to actally be able to beat me. I mean if the New York Giants claim to be the best team in Football and then win the Superbowl, they don't a right to talk, or claim they are the best? If I'm not the top in EQ exactly who is?

I was the biggest boxer, prior to Prepared. I kinda still am though as I have 24 active EQ accounts and 26 active WoW accounts, thats 50 active accounts. Although I can only play 26 at one time, so if he is doing 30-40 at one time well guess I am 2nd.

I still claim the best hardware, surely I would not consider trading my set up for anyones.

The problem with these attacks in non bragging threads is that it derails the original post, as then I respond and a thread that at one time had no trash talk just gets a ton of it. As you can see I just respond to what others talk about (thats how forums work....). If people talk about bios and memory bandwidth then I respond with more talk about bios and memory bandwidth, if people talk about my posting style or claims I defend my posting style or claims.

I recall lots of flames at Prepared's first post about "who boxes the most characters" ... Thats just standard on any forums, new guy posts something contriversial and 20 people attack ... There is a lot less of that on this forum then any other thats for sure.

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amazing amount of attacks from people that don't even attempt it

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In it's essence I think it's about frustration. Most of the people launching attacks probably wish they had the funds to 10/20/40-box, but don't. They're capable boxers without having the money to throw away. Sam is the opposite. While at some point he will likely become good, he's not right now and seems to ignore the advice he's getting. I think the closest analogy would be an out-of-work racing car driver watching a rich kid riding around in a Ferrari without having any control over the car, scratching it and driving into other cars. And ignoring the advice of the racing car driver :P

Personally I don't care - I think what Sam is doing is great if he has fun with it. Whether it's expensive is always relative to ones income and if he has a lot of money - good for him :-)

not sure why people always bring this down to money. I think this whole little sam asventure is just very funny and entertaining.
I tried helping Sam at the beginning, but he was not really looking for advice in the end, he was just asking questions he already had his (questionable) answers to, and spreading his leetness over the forums.
i even provided with a instant respawn area for leevl 62 grinding. But i guess it will be hotfixed before 2012.

It's getting so over the top it's just funny.
It's like your rich kid who's just been told to use the middle pedal to brake or the wheel to turn, and just ends up bying another ferrari after crashing in the wall again.

Can't wait for the power failure next week, and the new patch that will inevitably break all the addons again, and computer number #2 to show a bit more latency than the rest and needs rebuild, and the mouse batteries that die, and the cat the tips over a bottle on the main board, etc etc.
So much talk, so little action.
Thankfully we can alway see the EQ dataz to cover for the WoW ones, lol.

running out of popcorn here
/WTB [ Popcorn ]



As for a helping hand in this thread, lets come back on topic.
ow, Sam's already decided to replace his boards no matter what other people said. - Working as intended.
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I still claim the best hardware, surely I would not consider trading my set up for anyones.

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Got like 16 bound in shatt before a computer went down (just going to swap in a 8600 video card for 9600 card, don't know why the 9600 dont like that motherboard).

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As long as you're having fun Sam, it's all good :-)
I sure am.

Excuses are becoming less everyday though. Did an instance last night, didn't go well but Im getting the idea of whats going on. Computer didnt fail so ...

Now how does this work. In a 10-man do you have to be in raid to enter? And then are you able to drop raid and be in 2 groups (for better exp) or are you stuck in raid? Or can you just enter with 2 groups (but then how do you know they go to the same instance?

Keep in mind that I view Prepard as my main competition. Lets say he can do 39, then I am competing (well would really call it competition right now as Im being blown away) against his best 39. In the last 30 days how much stonger has his best 39 become? I don't see you guys jumping on him for "lack of progress".

Keyclone idea is going to be very difficult, my guys way undergeared and going to get hammered by exp mobs before their 5 totems go off. Of course he did suggest a tank in each group. And also 5 totems arn't going to do in the mobs instantly, maybe need 3 casts and dosnt look like all will hold up. Still there is a lot to be said, maybe take in 5, park 4 at zone in, have pally round up 30 mobs pull to zone in, concecrate, kill mobs, leave instance, bring in anouther crew, and take advantage of the "instant respawn" of the instance. Not sure if the pally would be locked out if the other 4 arn't. Still Im moving up to the next dungen and seeing how I do against exp mobs today. Or I need to get some decent gear instead of utter junk.

Ya well good suggestion as to the instant spawn spot, thats the kind of helpfull infos I need.

any group with more than 5 people is a raid.
To create a raid, you first create a group, then go to your raid panel (social) and click convert to raid.

You can convert to raid at any time, but cannot convert back to a party. You need to disband the group and reinvite people (even if there are only 5 people in the raid)
Unless they are speciffically tagged as 'raid instances' (usually level 60 or more) you will be able to enter the instance as a party and create the raid inside when more people join.
Once the leader of the raid enter the instance, other members of the raid/group automatically get into his instance when they go through the portal (unless they are already saved to that instance - again this is only for 'raid' instances and daily heroics)
this is my understanding anyway

If a toon happens to be in a separate instance (for example was already in the instance when he got invited to the group/raid), just zone him out and back in.

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Yur calling me a braggart? Where did you get such shrewd powers of observation from?

Errr wait Im a "blaggart". Is that better or worse then being a "keyboard turner"?

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I meant to type braggart (a load arrogant boaster: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/braggart) but it must have been a Feudian slip that made me type blaggart (an empty, intrusively informal person: http://wordmint.blogspot.com/2006/07/blaggart.html) they're equivalent in many ways.

You provided more excuses: a pc broke down, Blizzard made a mistake transferring my characters(on an automated system no less), I'm waiting 30 days, etc, etc, etc...

/ignored

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I have no gold for spells ......

6 million plat in EQ1 and 40 gold in WoW ....

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If you are just looking to make some money, stick with gathering professions (herbalism, mining and skinning) and maybe enchanting so you can DE your greens and sell the mats.

All other trade skills are huge money sinks.

If you combine that with cloth sells you will get from instances, you should make a decent amount of gold.