Rebuilding computers for the 3rd time in 8 months ... lol.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ok I log on my guys and go into Org, my main computer (one character) is fine. 4 of my other computers is like 10fps (up from 2fps from the last build lol) but the 5th is 30fps (all running 5 toons). So Im looking at why the one computer is better as they have the same ram, video card (9600), and processor (5600 amd). So the difference is the motherboard chipset. The 30fps is a nvidia 570 whereas the other 4 are the newer nvidia 8200, then I run Sandra on both and the older 570 is like 173 percent faster at the memory test. So Im like WTF (what the frog), cause I bought the 8200 motherboards figuring they are newer thus faster. Well doh they not.

So ordering 4 new motherboards today ...

Point of all this is that I am shocked that the motherboard chipset is makeing a 3X difference in frame rates, as I would have thought that the Video Card or CPU is more important.


Here is some tech stuff for those interested:

Nvidia 570:

http://www.nvidia.com/page/nforce5_amd.html

Nvidia 8200:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product...0_mgpu_us.html

Going to get these:

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...81&modelmenu=2

[Rin]

Hey Sam,

Sucks that you have to buy new mobos. Did you look at / consider getting an i7 setup for all (5?) of your machines instead?

Cheers!

[elsegundo]

yay thanks sam! you've just helped out some starving folks over in silicon valley pay their bills, so those companies, in turn, can pay me (and many of their employees) for sitting here checking credit scores, analyzing financial info and overall goof off at work.

[heffner]

Seems odd to me. You sure it's not a configuration issue? are you certain that is the only difference between them???

[Freddie]

My guess is, it's a bios setting. Or the slow machines aren't seeing all their physical ram. Something along those lines.

Maybe the bios on the slow machines is setting crazy ram timings. What's the rate of hard page faults per second on the slow machines? (Edit: Those last two sentences aren't related. I'm just tossing out ideas.)

[welwyn]

in most cases i would actually work out whats wrong. this time its an error between user and keyboard.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Boy I been reading about motherboards for the last 8 hours ... bleh.

Well the 590 SLI was the top of the line 2 years ago.

8200 is for home theater usage. Im going to drop it, its not for gaming enthusists anyways.

But is the new 780a better then the 2 year old 590 SLI? ....

Is the cheaper 750a as good as or worse then the 590 SLI.


I made error the faster computer is a 590 SLI (also 6400 processor) the slower is the 8200 (and 5600 processor). Also the slower has 2X2G the faster 4X1G. All the timeings are exatly the same (5-5-5-15 3-21-6-3 2T), I turned on some HT thing but it made no difference.

It could be bios settings but I am going more by others reviews then my own benchmarks.

That 590 SLI / 6400 processor is a tough to beat combo is seems (the new Quad Cores have WORSE memory benchmarks).

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...-Read,808.html


I mean why is the new Nvidia stuff not destroying their 2 year old product? I think what it is is that everything new has an Integrated GPU which is hurting the overall performance.

I know taht I get good FPS in Org with the 590/6400 combo maybe I should just stick with that instead of the newer stuffs.

[RobinGBrown]

You like to throw money at a problem don't you, Mr transfer 25 lvl 22 toons from old account to new accounts?

So just buy 5 brand new top of the line Alienware desktops plus all peripherals and put the old computers out for scrap.

Then employ some IT support lackey to reconfigure your WoW setup and help out the economy.

Lastly, remember that a fool and his money are soon parted.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well I think I got this worked out.

Nvidia has the 8200 but there is no such thing as the nforce 8 series. I thought this was the latest product and more advanced then the nforce 7 series.

Turns out the 8200 is actually the 720D:

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=149&l3=813

So looking at this page:

http://www.nvidia.com/page/mobo.html

Solutions for AMD
nForce 780a SLI
nForce 750a SLI
nForce 730a
nForce 720a
nForce 720D
nForce 600 series
nForce 500 series

Now the most current is the 780a, but is it the top of the line? Well in their video card series the x900 is the top of the line (8900, 7900 etc.). And the x800 is the 2nd best in the line, the x600 the value and the x200 or x400 or x500 complete garbage.

In the 500 series the 590 SIL (which I have) was the top of the line
In the 600 series there is only one part 680a
In the 700 series the 780a is the top

Now notice of those three only the 590 has the 9 in it. They have yet to make its real replacement which would be the 790a (which has been kinda announced but I dont see any boards available).

So the upshot is that there is no real reason to suppose that the newer parts are better then the 590SIL (although they may have some features the older product does not), and I kinda got snookered thinking that the 8200 was a nforce 8 series part ... oh well.

So some guy in China has 4 used 590 SiL boards for $400 total so I jump on those and hope they work lol ...

Anyway to the critics, Ill be in Org and I hope Shatt on 26 guys with 30fps on 25 and 60 plus on the 1.

[Youngceo]

no1 cares.