How do people feel about leveling their characters through powerlevelling instances with a 70 rather than questing etc?
How do you understand the synergy of your characters without the build-up over level?
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How do people feel about leveling their characters through powerlevelling instances with a 70 rather than questing etc?
How do you understand the synergy of your characters without the build-up over level?
70 mage (tested fire but I love ice)
70 warrior (def-tank, tanked in karazhan)
70 priest (holy, already healed the MT in MC, BWL, AQ20)
70 hunter (tested marksmanship and survival but skilled beastmaster again)
62 warlock (MC clear, BWL clear, AQ20 clear, AQ40 + Naxx bosses down before BC)
49 Rogue (PvP)
so, what shall I learn? why shall I quest with my new group instead of bombing them through instances to get levelups real quick?
I know how a polymorph works and when I need to recast it, I know the meaning of aggro and know how to heal.
I don't want to play the whole content again so I powerlevel through instances until I got my group equipped and got the talents and spells I need for running through the instance without a level 70.
(Pala Tank needs ~ Level 20 to handle the aggro stuff)
With the changes made to faster EXP and higher EXP on quest rewards the standard method might prove to be a viable option.
It has me thinking now if I should level my alts up the normal way, it might be more enjoyable. I do level them from 58-70 in the Outlands but I think your right on the whole synergy of it. If I'm powerleveling with a 70, I'm playing that class and not the one I want to play which would explain why I stop so many times.
Powerlevelling with a 70 in 2.3 is faster than grinding or questing (since xp is less 'jumpy' at least for the range I tested it at (30-45)
however, it's boring as hell. if you're 5 boxing you have to rotate a character out, and in my opinion, defeats the true spirit of multiboxing. It's much more fun to complete the instances solo with appropriate level characters.
PS: BRD is hard.
i agree if your going for 5 box level all the characters together, it is fun you meet lots of people 90% of the time call you a bot but hey comes with boxing i guess, normally i give them a buff and blow them a kiss and leave them too it.
you will also get a pretty early heads up how your characters are going to 'feel' when your 70, just take them to an instance pvp what ever at when your about 19 i know all classes take a huge change later on but you will see what i mean, ive just (like tonight :p ) swapped from 4 locks and a priest to 4 priests and a shaman. I really wanted to change becuase i found no real challenge in the other set up with voidwalker tanking, theres very little purpose for a priest other than to ress when your talking to people and it causes one of the locks to die :s and at least the 4 priests 1 shaman is alittle more unique set up, dont know of anyone else doing it on here (there could be a reason for this ). Unlike the warlocks priest combo which is very popular.
anyway slower yes but i think it might save you any sence of regret or doubts about your class set ups.
quests are pretty dull doing things 5 times over but its not too bad. Imo level them as a team you get a better feeling for them, its a hell of a relief when you get that final item to go with the 49 others over your other toons to complete that quest :p
but play anyway your going to get the most fun out of even do 50;50 boost them in an instance till they are strong enough to handle it themselves as a group. I was getting so sick of rfk grinding, best advice is have in the corner of your screen youtube running, find somthing like never mind the buzzcocks (british tv before people say wtf?) and just watch shows on tv keeps you sain.
Personally, I find it odd that fewer people roll pala's as their main healer. I've already gotten pre-invites to guild just for rolling a pala as my MH (I lawl'd at 'em, but still... Nice to have options).
Palas can do sooo much. I mean, have you ever heard of a dpsing healer-tank? Oh wait... druids T.T Ok, so a dpsing healer-MAINTANK? Ok, so that's not entirely true either...
but...but... still!
PL to 20-30 and then with rested in instances.
Means you get functional characters straight away rather than working your way up to 20-30 then finding out the last three days were wasted as they have no synergy.
OTOH Grinding instances with a lvl70 Hunter is an absolute pain. : (
I've always thrown my teams together as early as possible, but I'm taking a new approach with my latest project.
I've levelled them to 10 playing as a team, and intend to use my mage to blitz DMines, Stockades and the SM instances. After that, I'm not convinced my mage will be as effective at blitzing simply because she's not at all well geared.
In other words, my new approach is to blitz them to ~level 40, and then bring them together as a team.
So far, it looks great!
I can tell about my fresh experience. Started to level up 4 new drainei shamans, I already had one to 70.
From 1-10, no choice, I had to do "some" quests that didn't involve gathering quest items because it's such a pain to do it. Mostly was grinding mobs until I ding Lv. 10 while only playing the 4 shamans.
From 10-18, brought in the 70 shaman and started running Deadmines. Didn't loot anything because it wasn't really worth it and I really had some money to start with. I had them follow up from a distance while I fully cleared everyone zone (or almost full clear). I was getting about 75% of a level a run which is pretty damn got, it takes me like 15min to do one, that's over 2 level an hour. Just as a side note, I got from Lv. 8 to Lv. 35 in my week end.
From 18-25, Stockades is awesome. It's a small and very quick clear instance with only elite mobs which give much more exp. The only thing was that I would clear it too fast so that I had to wait at times, so then I would loot most of them to get a starting material base for one of my alts that's gonna be Enchanting/Tailoring. While I would wait on the reset I would log the others out and craft stuff to increase my prof or go play TF2. I would usually get about 30%+ per run.
From 25-35(current), I did one graveyard which is crap, don't go there. I did 2-3 Library to get the key and all. Then decided to start on Cathedral, which was the right thing to do. It's also a small instance with alot of mobs everywhere, just run around gather them all and kill em quick, get you thousands of exp real quick. I do a full clear on the instance all the time. I did loot for the first few times again to gather mats for my 2 prof and to a point I stoped and only looted the bosses for the shards of which I have like 60+ now not sure. Can't even seem to seel one of those things anymore... anyway...
I'm going to stay in Cath. until like 40, then go to Uldaman for a while. I skip Gnomeragan because it's a huge instances and the mobs are all spread out so it's not really worth going, better skip up to Cath where it's quick and all stacked together.
I currently sit at like 18 hours played at Lv. 35 for the shamans that weren't crafting.
So powerleveling instance vs. grinding quests? I'll let you figure out my answer. ^_^
Hope this helps,
-D
Highly Impressive :-D
I did the same thing, I had two teams I AoE ground up using Deadmines --> Stockades --> SM.
Once I hit about 35 in SM I just hated the place so much and wanted to throw it all in and burn out.
I changed servers, changed factions, switched to a totally brand new team (Paladin, 4x Priest) and while its slow going - I am enjoying the game for *right now* VS *omg as soon as i get 70, get some honor, get some arena gear this is going to be SO MUCH FUN*.
While I have a massive 5 days + played and I'm only Level 31 - I am seeing quests I hardly remember from over two years ago and experiencing what its like to not have an epic ice mage/epic pvp warlock and a slew of other characters and support for my multibox team.
And to me, this is the only way I'd do it, makes multiboxing in the right here right now --- fun. I dont feel like my fun is on pause till i reach 70.
-Slats
I am finding at my level that questing severly > instances unless I have 3 - 5 quests for that instance.
Personally I'm all about the long-term. With this in mind, I'd say questing is better as it generates a huge amount of reputation and there are rewards from Quests.
My 4 alt shaman have nothing more than beginner equip at Lv. 38 now. So far they don't do anything at all, and whenever I start doing runecloth stuff with tailor I'll build them up some equip and buy some random staff until they are high enough for BC and then start questing for new initial items.
And about deadmines, how many alts are you powerleveling? I found out that if you have 1 70 and 1 lower level alt compared to 1 70 and 4 alts, you get alot alot less exp per kill with the group of 2 than 5.
I think the way it works is that since the medium of the group of 5 is lower than the group of 2 is lower they get more exp per kill. I was 1x70 and 4x10-18 in Deadmines and I would get about 50-70% of a level a run. I didn't spend more than a single afternoon in Deadmine.
*edit* Personally, I don't care much about rep from SW, IF, Darn or Exodar (for either if I were horde). At 70 I don't spend time there, even less buy anything and rep for those faction are useless. Although if you meant for TBC, then I totally agree, the items from quest are really worth it until you get to run Lv.70 instance.
Greetings,
Regarding XP Group Bonus, this thread on WowWiki.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Mob_XP
Group Bonus :
[code:1]1 person group = 1.
2 person group = 1.
3 person group = 1.166.
4 person group = 1.3.
5 person group = 1.4.
[/code:1]
There's also a part about XP gained when powerleveled by a lvl 70 but it's un-grouped.
/salute
Make sense, I remember back in the day I was leveling a new priest with my 60 warrior in Deadmine, and I would always invite other low level because I was getting more exp that way, regardless being more people in the instance. I didnt loot anything so people were really happy with that. ^^
Prayer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippieman
Of.
Healing.
BlessingQuote:
Originally Posted by l0de
Of
Protection
...Salvation
...Freedom
...Wisdom
...Kings
etc.
Palas > Priests *rawr!*
Ahem...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippieman
HOW DARE YE!
I love my Priest :) Once my homies get up past 60 I will switch out my druid for my Priest. For a 5 box group, I don't see how anything can surpass a Fortitude + Prayer/Circle of Healing.
But of course, blessings our nice too.... 0/49/12 Protection Paladin tank haha!
and to get on topic again.
I have 2 lvl 70 mages, and 1 lvl 46 priest, and i decided to add 2 more. so i picked a pally (tankadin/ offheal) and a Warlock (soulstone, healthstones, offtanking).
To get them to a high lvl fast i powerleveled them.
horde btw)
1-10-ish questing
10-15 RFC
15-20 SFK
20-41 SM Cath <--- about 80 runs with 3 characters so i get a little group bonus)
41-46 ZF <-- this is where i am now, getting close to 40K xp per full run, but it takes 40-ish minutes, not very effective boost imo but i dont know another place.
My mage is karazhan geared, Full T4, arcane specc for increased Arcane Explosion dmg. a little over 1K spelldmg.
This week ill add my 2nd mage to the group and my priest.
2nd mage is Kara+ geared (SSC, TK etc) which means boosting wont be an issue till about lvl 63-65.
I think that boosting gets you to the highest lvl asap, and then at some point you really need to start playing them all, and then you can learn to finetune it aswell.
Also lower level instances have a different difficulty level then at higher level, so yes, at lower level you can learn the basics, but to really learn about the game mechanics and how to optimally use them, you really need to be lvl 60+ imo.
also i think that having enough raiding experience helps alot with this, as then the only thing you need to learn is how to play the chars simultaniously as you know how the game works.
my 2 cents :)
Guess I should get back on topic aswell :P
So, here's what I did:
I rolled three belfs(triboxing), two locks and a pala. Quested aaaaall the way and did every single quest I came across, and just /rofl'd trough the groupquests. Got all the Tranquillien rep-rewards for gear and by 22 (after three days of gaming, had a lot of days off :P) I tried to solo SFK, which went suprisingly well. Appart from one whipe (ty soulstone), the only boss I didn't quite manage was the last one, he just had too freakin much HP, but I got him down eventually, using pots, HSs and SSs.
Am now 33 on all three (which, for some reason hasn't updated below T.T), after nine days of gaming (not /played, but real days :P).
To be honest I was blowing through zones with a 70 helping my alt (just dualboxing..no more), but seeing other ppl's results at how fast they are it made me stop and think about something;
How important is reputation?
At first I was like: well of course it matters, that's how you got into the great instances, but the fact is, it doesn't, as a blue once said: the game moves on, so reputation doesn't matter at all. This made me sad somehow and now I'm actually a bit reluctant at lvling through quests although this has been made easier.
Somehow grinding instances just doesn't seem all that fun, wasting time with pointless of quests/areas doesn't either. I haven't decided on what to do yet.
Does anybody feel similar? (or..like most of the time..it's just me).
Yes, powerleveling a group with a lvl 70 is boring and repetitive... but honestly, I'm waiting until the outlands before I actually feel the benefit and joy of 5boxing. When I'm in Ramparts for the first time and I actually have to pay attention to healing my lvl 70 tank while DPSing, then I will start to feel the fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metalocalypse
Everything until then is just a chore to me. :)
Also, at level 70, I might do some pvp with my 2 priests and 2 mages, who knows.
I feel you on that Gallo. Until everyone's alt get at least 60, it's just another grind... I haven't been playing much for the past few days, waiting for my week end to give it another boost. Went to ZF yesterday at Lv. 39 with my lv. 70 and well the instance is too big and the exp isn't that great, I think I'll stick to SM Cath for the next few levels still.
Just by selling the Small Radiant Shards I've been able to make enough money to buy my 4 alts mounts and most of the spells.
Was running SM Cath (again) last night:
70 affliction lock (me)
35 pali
25 mage
32 priest: my alt, pulling up to 75k XP per hour, unrested (once you get into a rythm)
25 mage: my alt, pulling up to 65k XP per hour, unrested
The lvl 25s at first seem to level at the same time as the 30+ but gradually close the gap and lvl faster and faster as the XP/mob increases with each level gained. Ended up with a 28/29mage and 35priest in just under 2hrs of play iirc
I'm looking forwards to getting them to a point where they can all run instances together. At 60 the plan is for me to use my 'lock, priest and mage and my friend to run his pali as the tank with his lock (main, also 70) as dps. Then lvl up in Outland instances to 70 and go back to run all the quests for cash, and gear up to run heroics...