RAF: Gifting Levels

Hey - I posted this over on the customer service forums, but figured I'd post here as well to see if anyone had any knowledge on this.

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I realize there are a ton of RAF threads out there already but I have been searching and cannot find an answer to a couple questions.

All of these question will assume the following 5 account setup:

Account A - Veteran
Accounts B-E - Linked to A

1. Is there a maximum amount of levels that can be granted to a single character?

Say I create 5 new toons on the accounts and level them together up to 60. I now have 29x4 levels to grant to the veteran account.

Let's say I roll a level 1 character on the veteran account. Can I gift him levels all the way up to 60 or can he only receive 29 levels?

2. Is there a maximum amount of levels you can gift from a single linked account?

Let's just say I get motivated and level _another_ team to 60 on top of the ones I discussed in the previous scenario. So now I have 2 60's on each of the linked accounts. Can I now grant 58 levels? Or is there a cap of 29 per account?

I would assume that the gifted levels are determined as it reads in the FAQ (every 2 levels = giftable level, no mention of a cap), but I just wanted to confirm.

Any insight on these questions would be most appreciated! Thanks!

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Originally Posted by 'Krisco750',index.php?page=Thread&postID=103276#po st103276

Hey - I posted this over on the customer service forums, but figured I'd post here as well to see if anyone had any knowledge on this.

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I realize there are a ton of RAF threads out there already but I have been searching and cannot find an answer to a couple questions.

All of these question will assume the following 5 account setup:

Account A - Veteran
Accounts B-E - Linked to A

1. Is there a maximum amount of levels that can be granted to a single character?

Say I create 5 new toons on the accounts and level them together up to 60. I now have 29x4 levels to grant to the veteran account.

Let's say I roll a level 1 character on the veteran account. Can I gift him levels all the way up to 60 or can he only receive 29 levels?

2. Is there a maximum amount of levels you can gift from a single linked account?

Let's just say I get motivated and level _another_ team to 60 on top of the ones I discussed in the previous scenario. So now I have 2 60's on each of the linked accounts. Can I now grant 58 levels? Or is there a cap of 29 per account?

I would assume that the gifted levels are determined as it reads in the FAQ (every 2 levels = giftable level, no mention of a cap), but I just wanted to confirm.

Any insight on these questions would be most appreciated! Thanks!

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I have mine configured in the same way 1 account refered the other 4, as opposed to the round robin style as done by almost everyone here. This gives me the ability to 'obtain' multiple 'leaders' for no extra effort.

Anyway, I have no actual evidence for the following answers however I base them on the wording of the refer-a-friend documentation.

1. You can gift all the way upto 60, the only caveat being that the 'gifter' must be a lower level than the recipient. ie: you level 4 chars to 30, you cannot then gift 4x15 levels to one character on your refering account.

2. I believe the answer to this is, no. It clearly states 1 level for every 2 levels. I'm also let to believe that transfered characters also gain the level gifting ability. ie: you roll 5 new accounts and transfer a 70 from your old account, you automatically have 35 levels to gift.

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Originally Posted by 'Krisco750',index.php?page=Thread&postID=103276#po st103276

The destination char must be LOWER in LEVEL then the source. No Leveling a toon from 1-8 in some minutes an spend then 4 Level :)

From this rule in the back the rest from your questions is clear. About 4 chars spending i am not sure becouse i have not linked all on 0ne account

Old-new1-new2-new3-new4-new5-new6 voila 5 horses new6 will not be paid past the 2 month (used gamcards for all new5)

IF i whant and have the time i can use new6 acc to make on new5 a gifted char ... but tiiiime ...

I do not know anything about a cap.. 90 days and the lower level char rule are cap enough i think

For myself we started 2 days ago a new group on lothar eu (bought 5 new acc over Bring a friend) ..standard questing 5 chars (no boosting etc)

and level 17 after /played 1 hour 20 min

not bad for me (Mr. afking a lot) :)

hope it helps you :)

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I have the same question and i'm working on the answer. Is there a cap to the number of Giftable levels??

My set up is my Main account and 2 new slave accounts that i used the RAF to set up. I have multiboxed 3 mages up to currrently Lvl 24 and have been gifting levels to a shaman on the main account. The shaman is up to 23. ( at 25 i will be able to gift to levels and all the toons will be = again ) If you are doing 3 toons like I am you get what equals out to 1 to 1 on the gifted levels. if you were doing 5 you could be gifting levels to 2 toons. You can not gift levels from all 4 slaves to one toon on the main because the toon recieving the leves needs to be lower to recieve any.

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Originally Posted by 'Krisco750',index.php?page=Thread&postID=103276#po st103276

Hey - I posted this over on the customer service forums, but figured I'd post here as well to see if anyone had any knowledge on this.

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I realize there are a ton of RAF threads out there already but I have been searching and cannot find an answer to a couple questions.

All of these question will assume the following 5 account setup:

Account A - Veteran
Accounts B-E - Linked to A

1. Is there a maximum amount of levels that can be granted to a single character?

Say I create 5 new toons on the accounts and level them together up to 60. I now have 29x4 levels to grant to the veteran account.

Let's say I roll a level 1 character on the veteran account. Can I gift him levels all the way up to 60 or can he only receive 29 levels?

2. Is there a maximum amount of levels you can gift from a single linked account?

Let's just say I get motivated and level _another_ team to 60 on top of the ones I discussed in the previous scenario. So now I have 2 60's on each of the linked accounts. Can I now grant 58 levels? Or is there a cap of 29 per account?

I would assume that the gifted levels are determined as it reads in the FAQ (every 2 levels = giftable level, no mention of a cap), but I just wanted to confirm.

Any insight on these questions would be most appreciated! Thanks!

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There is no cap - in your case, for each team of 5 you lvl to 60, you will have 4*29 lvls you can gift to a lowerlvl char on your main account. The lowerlvl is related to the char that gives the levels, so as long as they are lvl 60+, you will have no problems. The only cap you should be aware of, is that you cannot gift past lvl 60.

Oh, and in regards to mitoshi's reply: "I'm also let to believe that transfered characters also gain the level gifting ability. ie: you roll 5 new accounts and transfer a 70 from your old account, you automatically have 35 levels to gift." - this is wrong, you only gain giftlvls to give, by lvling on a referred account.

Hey, just read this and thought I would add an important note from the FAQ that most people seem to miss, dunno if it has been noted elsewhere, but better safe than sorry.

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Can I save the "level-ups" I'm granted and use them at higher levels?
Yes. However, you will lose any unclaimed level-ups when you hit level 60, so don't save them for too long.

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Basically, if you level to 60 you -cannot- grant levels. Meaning you only actually have from 0-59 (and thus have 1 less level to grant) I noticed this luckily when I was 57 on 2 raf characters.

How does the "grant a level" UI look like? Is it strictly 1 levelup or do you choose what level to you want set or just max level?

You right click on the person you want to level (in your group) and select Grant a Level. So if you have 20 levels to gift you have to do it 20 times.

It also causes a pop up on the recipients screen (so they can choose to accept or refuse your level up). So you have to accept each level too.

It doesn't give an indication of how many levels you have to gift (only an issue if you've granted a few levels to different characters). it becomes greyed out when you have no levels left to gift.

[quote='mitoshy',index.php?page=Thread&postID=10330 1#post103301]2. I believe the answer to this is, no. It clearly states 1 level for every 2 levels. I'm also let to believe that transfered characters also gain the level gifting ability. ie: you roll 5 new accounts and transfer a 70 from your old account, you automatically have 35 levels to gift. [/quote]

What?

Can anyone confirm this?

That doesn't seem like realistic behavior to me... Xfer two 60's to a RAF referred account, get a free 60 on your main account?

Doesn't seem realistic.

[b]EDIT:[/b]
I answered my own question by going to the official [url='http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765628748&sid=1']RAF FAQ[/url]:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...65628748&sid=1

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Originally Posted by GM Vrakthris

Q: If I created a new account using Recruit-a-Friend, upgraded the account and used the Paid Character Transfer service to transfer my level 60 character over, would it then be able to gift one of my low level characters 29 levels?


A: No, gifting levels are earned as you level on the RaF account. A character that leveled exclusively on the RaF account would be able to grant a total of 29 levels by the time it reached level 60. For example if you transferred a level 30 character to the RaF account for every 2 levels that character gains on the RaF account you would receive 1 level that you could gift to the veteran account until level 60 giving you a total of 15 levels.

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Originally Posted by GirMoose',index.php?page=Thread&postID=103348#post 103348]Basically, if you level to 60 you -cannot- grant levels. Meaning you only actually have from 0-59 (and thus have 1 less level to grant) I noticed this luckily when I was 57 on 2 raf characters. [/quote]
[url]http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765628748&sid=1[/url]
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Q: So if I invite my friend, and they level to 60, does that mean I have a free 30 levels to gain? Or do these charges not stack? For example you gain 1 level to give, and only have 1 to give until I use it.


A: For every 2 levels a character on the trial account receives, one level may be gifted to a character on the veteran account. So, if a trial character, after he or she upgrades to the full client, levels to 60, a character on the veteran account may receive full 29 levels. The first giftable level is gained at level 3.


Q: I have a level 29 character. If my friend levels to 60 does that mean I can use the gifted levels all the way to 58?


A: Yes! Remember though the character cannot grant a level to a character equal to or higher than their own level and may not grant levels past 60.

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Originally Posted by GM Vrakthris

Q: Do I have to gift the levels right away?


A: No, you can gift them to a character on the veteran account as you earn them or in one lump sum. You must use them before the 90 day RaF period is up though. Once that time expires the levels you had saved to be granted to the veteran account will disappear as well.

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So yes, you only get 29 levels to gift. BUT -- you can level past 60 and still gift your levels later. The only "expiration date" is your 90 day RAF period. So level to 70, then gift away your levels, that's fine. :)

Can I ask for your source on this?

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Originally Posted by 'GirMoose',index.php?page=Thread&postID=103348#pos t103348

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Can I save the "level-ups" I'm granted and use them at higher levels?
Yes. However, you will lose any unclaimed level-ups when you hit level 60, so don't save them for too long.

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Basically, if you level to 60 you -cannot- grant levels.

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I've got a character at 60 that I want to gift levels to my "veteran" account. Would awfully suck if this were true.

I understand the mechanics of gifting the 29 levels from a 60, but what about if you have 2 60s? is that 2X29 I can give away? or 3x29? Can anyone confirm any experience with this??

ninja Edit:

this is a big deal because this will effect if I level my teams to 60 then leave them alone and level new teams so i have a ton of levels to give away.

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Originally Posted by 'badashh',index.php?page=Thread&postID=103663#post 103663

I understand the mechanics of gifting the 29 levels from a 60, but what about if you have 2 60s? is that 2X29 I can give away? or 3x29? Can anyone confirm any experience with this??

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Each character gains gift levels on its own, I believe. So if you level 2 60's on the referred account, you can gift 29 levels from one level 60 and 29 levels from another level 60.

I'm trying this currently but haven't actually leveled my 2nd 60 yet. ;) She's only level 15.

As long as you do it within 90 days (RAF expiration), then you can gift as many levels as you can earn within that period.

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Originally Posted by Vyndree

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Originally Posted by badashh

I understand the mechanics of gifting the 29 levels from a 60, but what about if you have 2 60s? is that 2X29 I can give away? or 3x29? Can anyone confirm any experience with this??

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Each character gains gift levels on its own, I believe. So if you level 2 60's on the referred account, you can gift 29 levels from one level 60 and 29 levels from another level 60.

I'm trying this currently but haven't actually leveled my 2nd 60 yet. ;) She's only level 15.

As long as you do it within 90 days (RAF expiration), then you can gift as many levels as you can earn within that period.

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That is how I understood it too(maybe that's how I wanted it to work) but my friend said he gave away his 29 levels to get an alt to 59, but other chars on the noob account could not give away levels.

I guess you could just take your level 15 guy and see if giving away a level is an option. That would put my mind as ease :).

Has anyone tried this on more than one server.


Say PVP server make grp lvl to 60 gift lvls

Normal server make grp lvl to 60 gift lvls , should work fine since its same RAF account .


:)

I suppose one of you posted this? ;)

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...91469567&sid=1

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Originally Posted by Auryk

Biostar, I have not heard of any sort of cap. Both scenarios you gave above sound correct. As long as everything takes place within the 90 days given to you, you should be fine. :0)

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Originally Posted by Vrakthris

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Apparently once you hit 60 you are not able to gift levels any more.
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You should still be able to gift the levels to the linked veteran account, Biostar, if you have them to gift that is. You just can not gift levels beyond level 60.

Did you reach level 60 and are no longer able to gift the levels you had earned?

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Originally Posted by Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=103866#post1 03866]I suppose one of you posted this? ;)

[url]http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8991469567&sid=1[/url]


[quote='Auryk

Biostar, I have not heard of any sort of cap. Both scenarios you gave above sound correct. As long as everything takes place within the 90 days given to you, you should be fine. :0)

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Originally Posted by Vrakthris

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Apparently once you hit 60 you are not able to gift levels any more.
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You should still be able to gift the levels to the linked veteran account, Biostar, if you have them to gift that is. You just can not gift levels beyond level 60.

Did you reach level 60 and are no longer able to gift the levels you had earned?

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Hah... yes! That was me.

It looks like you can still grant at level 60 (THANK GOD!) and that it was a mistake in the FAQ that was corrected (but not on the EU version yet).

I will go home tonight and test (have 4 accounts that I just got to 60 to grant levels with :P) to confirm and let y'all know the results.

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Originally Posted by Krisco750',index.php?page=Thread&postID=103873#pos t103873]It looks like you can still grant at level 60 (THANK GOD!) and that it was a mistake in the FAQ that was corrected (but not on the EU version yet).[/quote]

For some reason I always thought it was "earn gifts until you turn 70" and "give gifts for every 2 levels you earn to any character on the vet acct of lower level than you (or level 60, whichever is smaller)"

Ahh, here we go:
[url]http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557372932&postId=87289687839& sid=1#189[/url]
[quote='GM Syndri

Alright. On the level gifting front!

Recruit-A-Friend trial characters (continuing even after upgraded) will receive 1 free level for every 2 levels gained up until 70. This means, a "trial" character may successfully give away 30 levels. These levels may be stored up to 90 days, when the Recruit-A-Friend benefits expire.

With this, you may give all 30 levels away at once—all to one character, or to multiple different characters. A character may receive gifted levels up to level 60.

Hope that helps. :)

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So, wait, is there a typo there? If I can gain gift levels all the way to 70, wouldn't I have 34 to give away (not 35, because of the start at 3 thing)?

I'm thinking it means I gain them up to 60, no?

Sorry, the post was edited. It had originally said "60" but was edited to "70". :P

Syndri had posted in another thread that she confirmed it was indeed 70, but this thread was only hours after RAF was announced so she had initially assumed it was 60. Let me see if I can find a less confusing blue post.

Here are some hints...
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...1460&sid=1#521

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As far as gifting levels is concerned:

Are the levels stored in a charge-like system, or must you gift each level at the two gain mark. For example, Character A is level 1. Can I level him to 70 and then have 34/35 levels to gift to character B, then level character B to 20 before gifting him all of the levels total, instantly bumping him to level 55?

This makes a world of difference.
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I believe they're stored as "charges".

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http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...709113&sid=1#2

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Originally Posted by Vrakthris

For every two levels a character on the new recruited account gains, they can "grant" a level to one of the veteran player's characters.

The maximum number of grantable levels that can be gained by a single character is 29.
The recruited player can decide to grant all 29 levels at once to a character on a linked account.
The character who is being granted a level has the option to accept or decline the level grant.

Levels can only be granted to the veteran player's account, not vice versa.
Levels can not be granted Cross Faction.
A character on the recruited account cannot grant a level to a character equal or higher than their own level.
Levels are granted to the veteran player's character by right-clicking the target player's portrait. You will see a "Grant Level" option.

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Note: The max a single character can gain is 29. So the fact that you "can only gift 29 levels" might not be limited by the level of the "referred trial" -- if they level to 70, they can't give 35 levels to ONE person. They must spread it between others on the veteran account. This might be where we're getting confused?

Ahh, OK.

No need to dig up a new post, just wanted to make sure I was understanding. :)

Just as an update to this... I got home from work today and tested.

I had a lvl 20 priest on my main account and 4 slaves with a combined 32 levels to hand out as well as a lvl 28 priest on another account to hand out levels with.

I gifted 8 levels to the 20 priest to bring him up to 28 and then gifted 32 levels to him and he is now 60. :)

So... you can gift levels from a lvl 60 character, and you can gift more than 29 to a specific toon.

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Originally Posted by 'Krisco750',index.php?page=Thread&postID=103974#po st103974

I had a lvl 20 priest on my main account and 4 slaves with a combined 32 levels to hand out as well as a lvl 28 priest on another account to hand out levels with.

I gifted 8 levels to the 20 priest to bring him up to 28 and then gifted 32 levels to him and he is now 60.

So... you can gift levels from a lvl 60 character, and you can gift more than 29 to a specific toon.

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I'm confused as to what you're saying here.

1) You can gift more than 29 levels *check*
2) You can gift from a lowbie who is lower level than the recipient? (all of your lowbies listed are <60, but you gifted levels to level the recipient to 60?)

Do you mind clarifying for me? :)

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Originally Posted by 'Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=103986#post 103986

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Originally Posted by 'Krisco750',index.php?page=Thread&postID=103974#po st103974

I had a lvl 20 priest on my main account and 4 slaves with a combined 32 levels to hand out as well as a lvl 28 priest on another account to hand out levels with.

I gifted 8 levels to the 20 priest to bring him up to 28 and then gifted 32 levels to him and he is now 60.

So... you can gift levels from a lvl 60 character, and you can gift more than 29 to a specific toon.

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I'm confused as to what you're saying here.

1) You can gift more than 29 levels *check*
2) You can gift from a lowbie who is lower level than the recipient? (all of your lowbies listed are <60, but you gifted levels to level the recipient to 60?)

Do you mind clarifying for me? :)

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Sure, sorry if it didn't make sense heh.

I have 5 accounts total.. 4 linked to my main account. I had a MB team at level 44 that I transferred over to the 4 linked accounts and then levelled them (insanely fast) to 60. Since I didnt start from level 1, they only had 8 levels to gift each (16 divided by 2) for a total of 32.

On the main account I had a lvl 20 priest alt that was sitting around idling. I wanted to get that to 60. On one of the linked accounts, I had a priest that I started from level 1 and was at 28 (so he had 13 levels to gift, but could only gift 8 since my priest was already level 20).

So I gifted 8 levels from the priest on the linked account to the priest on my main account. I then switched over to the other 4 characters (who are 60) and topped off the other 32 levels on the priest, bringing him to 60.

I hope that made more sense :P

I'm not exactly sure on this. But if you level your new character that you are gonna grant levels to up to about ~99% level done or there abouts. Then grant him levels to 60 wouldn't this make 60-61 like only 5% of the bar if you leveled it to 95% of a level before?

This is kind of along the lines of what i was wondering.

If you are 50% through level 30 and get gifted a level do you go to just level 31 or 50% through level 31

I've only gifted low levels so far but my observation has been it carries over the raw xp number, not percentage. so at 59 you may be 99% into 60 and have 160k xp. If you get gifted up to 60 you will have 160xp, which is only 30% or so into 61 -- remember, the XP from from 60 to 61 is huge compared to previous levels.

Here's what I can confirm... (just did it)

Referred account - level 60; level 31
Veteran account - level 27

Leve 31 gifted level 27 FOUR levels to level 31.

Veteran account gifted level 31 (formerly level 27) TWENTY-NINE levels to level 60.


Fact: You can gift more than 29 levels to a single character
Fact: You can gift levels from more than one character on the "referred" account
Fact: You can gift levels even if the gift giver is over level 59
Fact: The "ding" animation happens as you gift. Very fun to do in the middle of Stormwind. Make sure to announce "ding!" every time it happens. ;)

Hope that clears things up. :)

Also a confirmation, your percent of experience stays the same. So if you are 50% through a level and grant one, you will be 50% through the next one as well.

Just wanted to say thanks.

This thread has cleared up a number of things.

No surprise that Vyndree is responsible for a lot of it - thanks Girl!

And thanks to Xyl41, that helped with another thing I was wondering.

Basically, thanks all around, very helpful!

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Originally Posted by 'GirMoose',index.php?page=Thread&postID=103348#pos t103348

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Can I save the "level-ups" I'm granted and use them at higher levels?
Yes. However, you will lose any unclaimed level-ups when you hit level 60, so don't save them for too long.

Basically, if you level to 60 you -cannot- grant levels. Meaning you only actually have from 0-59 (and thus have 1 less level to grant) I noticed this luckily when I was 57 on 2 raf characters.

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This is false.

I think you misunderstand the faq, but I have tested it, You ABSOLUTELY Can Gift levels once you are 60 & dont lose anything. What they are saying is you can't GIVE the levels to get someone past 60.

What I did:
Acct A, B C D E where A= Original Vet account & B-E = New RAF Accounts, each linked to the other.

Level all to 58 (& 90% to 59)
Level E to 60 Manually solo
Gift Level account D from E, From 58 to 60 on the spot.
Gift Level C from D,,, & SO-On...

IT works, & I had levels left over to give, & Leveled a Warlock & Druid alt I had 30ish to 60.
Not only do I now have a bunch of 60's, with some levels left over to give,, they are 80%ish to 61 because they maintain whatever exp they had into the level they were gifted from.

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Originally Posted by 'GirMoose',index.php?page=Thread&postID=103348#pos t103348

Hey, just read this and thought I would add an important note from the FAQ that most people seem to miss, dunno if it has been noted elsewhere, but better safe than sorry.

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Can I save the "level-ups" I'm granted and use them at higher levels?
Yes. However, you will lose any unclaimed level-ups when you hit level 60, so don't save them for too long.

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Basically, if you level to 60 you -cannot- grant levels. Meaning you only actually have from 0-59 (and thus have 1 less level to grant) I noticed this luckily when I was 57 on 2 raf characters.

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FYI, this is false. You can give gift levels at 60, as I just did this today. I leveled a set to 60, then I leveled another set to 30 and instant leveled them all to 59. :D

/edit Quix beat me to the punch

i tried looking for an answer for this scenario, A recruited B, who recruited C
now as C lvls he gains level gifting, so typically C gift lvls B, now the gifted toon at account B, can it gift levels to account A?
as account B gained his levels from gift of account C

i just tested it, its working