Are you leaving WoW for WAR?

Hi all,

I cancelled all my accounts back when AoC went live, and then a month later reinstated them (for reasons obvious to AoC players :p ).

Now I'm doing the same again, but giving Warhammer: Age of Reckoning a shot! We shall see, although I'm positive I'll be back to WoW for WotLK.

Unfortunately, I just got billed for another month the day before I decided to cancel my WoW accounts! Damn Blizzard and them taking more of my money!! (I realize it is completely my fault). Oh well :p

I'm curious as to who else is going to try out WAR, in US and EU, and on what server you will be playing (in case anyone is interested in creating a WAR multiboxing server, also for single play if you are unable to box).

I realize that the server list isn't out yet, but this week the Collectors Edition Closed Beta will open, and we could pick one of the Beta servers to convene on. I had some server information typed out, so that the Multiboxing community could choose a common server, before I realized it would probably be against the NDA to list server names, etc.

As a workaround for the stupid NDA and the new beta testers not being allowed to use the Beta forums to discuss this sort of thing, I will choose the first server listed in your Mythic Beta Center Server Status screen. I'm hoping its the same for all of the CE Closed Beta Testers.

The only game that will ever be worth leaving wow is D3.

Absolutely not even going to consider it any time soon.

I dunno. I'll watch some videos of the game a few weeks before it comes out, read the forums and see what kind of things they promised that are not going live (lol AoC siege warfare failures), find out if the game is getting rushed to hell and as far as I hear it already is, and then decide. Some videos I've seen of the bright wizard about 6 months ago looked pretty cool, but I hear it's been all downhill since then. Why the hell do they rush these games out unfinished? WTF are they thinking?

Here's the video that I thought looked pretty cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIA0U...eature=related

Now seeing a few new one's, the game looks like crap. What a stinky egg this game looks like from this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKyysCEugr8

I've been in the beta for six months, not gonna subscribe when it launches. Its a fine game, without the problems AoC had (I was same as you, cancelled a few months before AOC, got to level 50, lost interest, came back to WoW recently... I was in the AoC beta even). However, at endgame, it is a pure PVP game. I'm getting a bit too old to really care about whether I pwnz0rd another team, and I don't want to schedule my life around logging in certain times to participate in guild RVR/PVP. WAR isn't really that much fun if you play at random hours by yourself, whereas with WoW (and multiboxing) I still have fun logging in and doing random crap by myself.

I'm sure after a few months of WOTLK and I have 5 level 80 DKs and I have done all the heroics I can muster, I'll unsub from WoW for a while again, and maybe then I'll give WAR another shot. Maybe WAR will have a 3x xp bonus RAF by then :)

im all in for gameplay but the gfx's look worse then wow and it would feel like going back in time, but if alot of people says it good im all in to try it! However i just discovered multiboxing and im enjoying every second!

I have it on Preorder and going to give it a whirl like I do every MMO that comes out stateside. But like AOC I pretty much figure after the free month is up I will be going back to WoW. I do hope that WAR has decent MB abilities. Considering that DAoC had them I bet WAR will too.

I am planning on rolling me up a Witch Hunter and a Squig Hunter or Shaman. I really, really hope that the game is as good as I want it to be, but I have been let down way too much to let myself believe that it will be.

I think that Blizz timed the RAF thing perfect. My new characters under the RAF plan are going to be in Outlands and I don't know if I will be very interested in leaving WoW for another game. I don't have a clue how much money I have spent on WoW over the past few months between all the accounts I own and character transfers and renames. I kind of hate to lose all of that.

Most likely I will scale back down to three boxing for a bit and spend 50% of time in WoW and the other in WAR. But then again there are two other games coming out this fall that will get a lot of my attention, namely Fallout 3 and Spore. It's going to be a lot of hard choices this fall/winter on what game(s) get the majority of my game time.

I have also just discoverd multiboxing and trying to level toons for pvp in WoW. But im gona try see if multiboxing is worth it in WAR also and keep my WoW accounts at the same time(its gona be costly though :)). But since you cant walk throu ppl in WAR not sure if its a game made for multiboxing.

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Originally Posted by 'Cookie Monster',index.php?page=Thread&postID=102807#post1 02807

I have also just discoverd multiboxing and trying to level toons for pvp in WoW. But im gona try see if multiboxing is worth it in WAR also and keep my WoW accounts at the same time(its gona be costly though :)). But since you cant walk throu ppl in WAR not sure if its a game made for multiboxing.

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You can't walk through enemies. You can walk through friendlies. At least that's what I hear.

ive got my two copies of War:CE to give it a try. whether i stick with it or not depends mostly on how well it copes iwth boxing. i havent even been able to find any definite info on whether or not /follow, /assist, etc, exist. open beta starts in a day or two and ill do some testing and post results here.

with regards to the wow vs war argument.. i play wow because its the best option in a poor mmo market. the pvp in wow is and always has been horrible. blizzards answer to 'meaningful' continues to be instancing, 'points' and throwing gear at people. pvp is not pve. epics/titles/carrots do not equal quality gameplay and meaningful combat. so, im hopeful that warhammer will be a home for a lot of pvpers looking for a compromise between the client quality and publishing support of wow and quality pvp from games like daoc, shadowbane, UO. funcom failed miserably.. but mythic has daoc behind it. daoc was a fantastic pvp game that, later, was only let down by its outdated client and some poor expansion decisions. if they can manage to improve on the daoc rvr system but with a superior wow-ish interface, im all in.

I'm going to be trying WAR out but tbh after they gutted so much from the release, I'm not expecting much :( I doubt very much that WAR will be good enough to keep me away from WOW.

I am going to let all you try and and then come back to tell me indeed it was butt.

Cutting half your content to make a release date

Bad Graphics at best

I think I will just go and play the Table Top version for free!

So what if they won't have as much "content" as WoW. Their aim is to have some real PvP. Realm vs Realm actually.

The PvP problems in WoW are endless and I'll welcome at least trying another game where RvR is the goal.

As for cutting cities. Oh no...Imagine WoW with only one city where you can use an Auction House.


Remember that when WoW was released they cut all their PvP/Honor plans. War is going the other way, committing to PvP/RvR and cutting content. Sure the majority of players like PvE but there is room for another game.


I'm hopeful for a game where the endgame isn't scripted but decided by real opponents. Even the battlegrounds and arenas are scripted in the sense that the team numbers are always equal and the battle always starts the same way. There is something exciting about cresting a hill into a fight and not knowing if you'll run into 5 or 50 enemy. Scouting, communication, logistics, leadership all had a much stronger place in DAoC than anything in WoW. I'm hopeful this can be replicated, and cutting 4 classes and 4 cities doesn't matter at all in this regard.

I've canceled my WoW sub (ends on the 30th) and will be playing WAR come the open beta.

In fact I'm moving over to WAR for the same reasons I've been lurking here for the past 3 months and considering dual-boxing WoW. WoW has just grown stale for me.

End game blows, it's a huge timesink, farming mats has become a second job for me and the only enjoyment I get out of it anymore is playing my 39 twinked healer Pehed. I love pvp, but at 70 pvp is a grind w/ a huge gear gap and w/ the impending expansion it all seems so pointless. And w/ the info I've read from the expansion, I'll have to reroll to regear my twink (no more plus healing gear, and have 571 base {most of any 39 twink} so there goes my fun). That last one is really what sealed the deal for me.

I'm not sure I'll be boxing WAR, gonna run up to 40 first to check it all out. Whether I'll stay or not depends on that experience. If not, I won't go back to WoW, I'll just stick to HL2 DM and CS S, maybe pick up TF2 or try out some other MMORPG's but nothing else has peaked my interest yet.

Personally everything I've read and seen of WAR has me really exited. I mean come on, they've made tanks actually usefull in pvp! Thinking of d'b'ing Chosen/Zealot or BlackOrk/Shaman.

Supposed to get my Open Beta codes in the emailz today ^__^

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Originally Posted by 'HTeam',index.php?page=Thread&postID=102863#post10 2863

...and cutting 4 classes and 4 cities doesn't matter at all in this regard.

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Well it would if one of the classes cut was one of the ones you wanted to play :P

I don't really understand complaining about things being scripted. There is always going to be a finite number of possible things that could happen, and a smaller list of likely things that you'll see a lot. Everything is scripted, technically. The important thing is to have a lot of possibilities within that script. WoW may not offer quite enough possible situations in some content, but there really are a lot of places you can turn to to remedy this. I mean, for example, I don't think there's a single person on this board who's completely figured out the perfect way to handle every boss or dungeon as a multi-box team. I don't think Aellie's shaman team has an exact plan for every single possible matchup he could face, even if he has a general strat worked out for most teams. He has to constantly learn and adapt on the fly to what's going on around him. The possible class/talent combinations are extremely huge.

I'm not saying this to defend WoW in particular, but as a general idea to keep in mind even moving on to something else. Just because WAR is new and exciting now doesn't mean it will continue to be that way as the years go by. 4 years from now, you may have the exact same complaints about WAR. Ask yourselves if you're really doing what you could to get enjoyment out of the game. Figure out what you were doing wrong and find ways to avoid that playstyle. Farming for mats and thinking of your play as a "grind" is the wrong mentality to take into a video game. Every game ever made could be looked at in this light if you wanted to. Pac Man is an endless grind of eating pac-dots. But that's not what people who enjoy Pac Man think about when they play it.

First, I don't think I complained that WoW is scripted. I said the end game is scripted. I prefer live opponents with relatively unknown objects.

Even the biggest common fight in WoW (AV at 40v40) is small in comparison to fights that went on *every* night in DAoC. There was an ebb and flow to the RvR and not just a reset. The two are different and both have their merits. Sometimes it would be nice to have an even numbers fight and not spend and hour working on something to get steamrolled by 10x my numbers.

The DAoC model RvR is far more elaborate though and opens up different avenues of gameplay. In particular reconnasance. Communication and leadership were valuable as well. Organization at the micro and macro level was huge.



Also, I should note that the Blizzard designers seem to be oblivous to what constitutes world pvp. Everywhere they've integrated it into a zone, they've provided perches for 70's to nuke the on-level people with impunity.

I'm also pretty excited that there will be no stealth classes. Stealthers cry loudly about it being "strategic" but in reality they take from the PvP but don't give back. If everyone played a stealther, there would be no targets and no PvP. Everyone engaging in PvP should have to provide themselves as prey as well as predator.

I most likely won't quit WoW, but I'm pre-ordering WAR this week to play with some long-time RL friends who got burnt out from WoW awhile ago. I hope WAR doesn't disappoint like AoC - I played that game for a solid 2-3 weeks to level 40 or so, and it just seemed flat and uninspiring. I love some FPS - I've played CS/CS:S since 2001 or so, and actually took a 3-month break from WoW 5-boxing earlier this year to play CoD4 in leagues. That's more my style of PvP, so I hope I'm not turned off by WAR's PvP. If it's anything like GuildWars, I may stick with it for awhile, but the PvE/crafting aspect of the game better be able to back it up, or 100% of my gaming time will go back to WoW (ok, and Rock Band!).

Not a chance in heck that I'll even try Warhammer Online. I love the miniatures, and the universe/novels (well, 40k more than medieval). But even WoW's PvP makes me want to drive nails into the devs skulls. I can't even imagine what an even more hardcore PvP game would be like. I'd become a frothing maniac.

Hteam, I don't necessarily disagree with all of your PVP complaints, I'm just saying that there's always a high level of predictability within a game. Everyone is playing by the rules that were programmed in. Saying something is scripted is just a cop-out to avoid talking about what's really bugging you. You've now done a great job explaining what you were trying to say, so that's fine.

I was also replying to the other guy on the thread, so don't take this all personally.

I think it's perfectly okay and cool to try out a new game and my reason for not switching is that I do still enjoy WoW, and I just set up my multiboxers.

The comment about stealth is interesting. I think it's abusable in some ways, definitely. I'm not sure that it's something which has upset the balance of the game in practice, though...

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If you are tired of WoW, you MIGHT like War( Atleast not more than WoW). If you still like WoW even a little bit. you will not like WAR. WARs PvP is not as fun as WoWs. period. The combat feels clumpy..slow..somthing.. its hard to put a finger on it. But WAR is all about PvP and its not as good as WoWs IMO!

I had very high hopes for WAR. I was a die hard DAoC player and thought that game did PvP the best yet. But even though WAR is being made by the same company, it just never grabbed me like DAoCs RvR did. Not 100% sure why though. You might love it, I did not.

My friend is in the WAR closed BETA, and i have had the change to see him play and test it for myself. All i can say it's good, better then AoC is but it's not superb. The only thing i really is against is the UI, before ( i'm talking months ago) they UI looked cool, new and fresh. But now it just looks like everything else, the good part is that you have a very advanced UI customination tool to use.
But i wont be quiting WoW for WAR, but that is just because i can't stand the idea with Tier 1 Zone - Tier 2 Zone etc with no real seamless world.

I predict the warrior will charge, followed by hamstring. How very unpredictable :P

without saying too much- i'm in beta for war and im not leaving wow.

<- played alpha, and then beta
Maybe in a year, when they add in all the stuff they cut, and fix the tons of things that are imbalanced or just plain old broken.... I'll give it a 2nd look. But as it stands.. no way.

Two coworkers are in it, its a game with a gimmick but not much
else. The player versus player faction systems are pretty short loved. A whole server of nothing but Laughing Skull STV ... how much a month?

Much like LOTRO, after the depth of the gimmick is explored there
isn't a robust activity list. I had a lot of hopes for LOTRO, without playing it, and was excited. MPVP and the talent system were amazing, and the musical instruments. It would have been much better in WoW, glyphs to the extreme basically. The MPVP system I would really like to have in WoW, but it would crack the game which is so faction/lore based.

Not a chance that I'll be trying War. Having been so badly let down by AoC, I'm not in the mood to try anything new until I'm fed up with WotLK... whenever that makes its appearance :)

I'm going to try it out at least. I few people I know are really anxious to get the game so I'll likely play it with them for a month or two at least just to see how it goes. I'll probably roll a Rune Priest. I wanted to make a green skin, but too many of the kids that drop WoW to go to WAR are going to pick the "evil" side.

Like I said, I had very high hopes for WAR above any and all MMOs that have been in production ever! I pre-ordered 2 CEs and I will still get them and just hold on to them. Like Stabface said, ill wait until they have many updates. It could turn out to be a better game down the road.

EQ2 is a good example of a game that was less than perfect when it was released. And I'm so into WoW now or I would be playing EQ2. They made many changes over the years and it has turned out to be a way better game than when it came out.

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A whole server of nothing but Laughing Skull STV ... how much a month?

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You're on LS? Character names?

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Like I said, I had very high hopes for WAR above any and all MMOs that have been in production ever! I pre-ordered 2 CEs and I will still get them and just hold on to them. Like Stabface said, ill wait until they have many updates. It could turn out to be a better game down the road.

EQ2 is a good example of a game that was less than perfect when it was released. And I'm so into WoW now or I would be playing EQ2. They made many changes over the years and it has turned out to be a way better game than when it came out.

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Are you still in the beta? I've heard that this week they made some major changes that really fixed some of the broken mechanics. Though as far as what they fixed idk, stinking NDA.

I'm in the CE Beta, and although I don't have any reference from before yesterday, I'd say this Beta is going a LOT better then my experiences with AoC Beta.

I just need another US beta account to test out my software boxing solution, and I'll be good to go on release.

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Originally Posted by 'Lokked',index.php?page=Thread&postID=103638#post1 03638

I'm in the CE Beta, and although I don't have any reference from before yesterday, I'd say this Beta is going a LOT better then my experiences with AoC Beta.

I just need another US beta account to test out my software boxing solution, and I'll be good to go on release.

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Please make a post to update all of us when you do =) I'm very curious about the follow and assist for WAR.

1) It's Mythic. I'm operating on the "screw me once, shame on you; screw me twice, shame on me" principle after DAoC. The constant over-nerfs (Zerkers and Animists?) and over-buffs (ToA and Fire Wizards?) just left a bad taste in my mouth.

2) It's Mythic. If you look in their games, you'll notice that while they have high polygon counts, they also have almost zero dynamic content. Look at WoW's zones and in spite of the content you'll see that the grass waves, the trees sway, critters and people move around, patrol, carry on group events, etc. Mythic towns tend to look completely static.

3) Note that we've not seen how the engine works when you get 400+ people in a RVR battle, yet. Even WoW has had trouble with that (TM vs SS zone crashes and corpse lag, anyone?). And unless they can do massive zerg battles over fortifications, there's no compelling reason for me to ditch WoW for WAR. I've never been one of those "Let's see how big my epeen can grow from 1v1'ing these nubs" people, so "good" PVP isn't what I'm after. If there were RvR a-la old Frontiers, I'd be all over it.

For me, we'll just have to wait and see how it turns out.

In order for WAR (already pre-ordered) to take me from WOW they will have to really catch my attention with the pvp system.

I have always been a fan of MMO's that have a good even ballance of PVP and PVE. IMO WoW has done a Close-to-Perfect job.