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When I started with the incursion stuff, I had help from expirienced multiboxer incursion runners. They spoke of a safe tank of 3500dps when planning fleets/fits/doctrines. Thats a very safe number, but safe is safe.

Now, for my fleet (8 Rattlesnakes, 2 Nestors, 1 Vindi, 1 Astarte) its the same like ToS, I mostly use 3 reppers from a single nestor, sometimes I need to put 4-5 on if I m late.

What I would advise, is start your marauders with a strong tank, learn the kill order and get used to the sites, and then graduatly refitt to more damage and less tank. This gives u plenty tank to make mistakes and you can look forward to up the damage when you start feeling the itch for more dps. (The itch usually happens when u start getting comfortable with the site and the killing isnt fast enough anymore ;) )

My 2 cents

Theory crafting takes up a lot of time :D

In other news OGB and getting sacked sometime soon, I'd link a source but it was on a podcast or something

(If this has been released already i will be very embarrassed, i haven't logged in much lately, skill queue online ftw)

so how was/is going the new skill changes for you guys?

i myself extracted most of the sp from my incursion fleet, since i only use them for that these days, and made something like 50 bilion in one day wich was quite ridiculous lol

Can people please start making new threads? This is way to long. Nobody is going to browse 33 pages of post.

well, the posts are still on topic and the only difference between one thread with 33 posts and 3 threads with 11 posts is a technicality.

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so how was/is going the new skill changes for you guys?

i myself extracted most of the sp from my incursion fleet, since i only use them for that these days, and made something like 50 bilion in one day wich was quite ridiculous lol

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I decided to just get on sisi to use the skill extractors to test fits instead, it was quite amazing how they've done it.

Having made that money, do you personally believe its a passive income generator?
(Tbh i want eve to go f2p already with these new changes, or maybe b2p per acc, with the amount of things plex/aurum can buy now getting up there i want to believe :D)

Also if anyone wants information is 33 pages so bad? i've been doing it

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I decided to just get on sisi to use the skill extractors to test fits instead, it was quite amazing how they've done it.

Having made that money, do you personally believe its a passive income generator?
(Tbh i want eve to go f2p already with these new changes, or maybe b2p per acc, with the amount of things plex/aurum can buy now getting up there i want to believe :D)

Also if anyone wants information is 33 pages so bad? i've been doing it

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I dont have numbers in front of me right now, but i dont think its possible to make profit with sp farming.
(2700x24x30=1944000) or 1.94m/sp per month at max speed. (+5 implants and full remaps)
So you get nearly 4 extractors each month, at about 300m profit per extractor you are getting 1.2b each month. I think the prices will change when people realise this however.

However, even if you cant make profit from this you can always extract everything you made and sell it (for example in your incursion chars), wich is a big help with the current plex costs and can help you makr a lot more isk per month


I also personally dont see the need in creating a new post, i like this actually, makes it easier imo

Oh i see where that's going.

Even when the extractors get to a price where you may not make a profit by selling the excess sp your toons generate (assuming you're happy with their skills trained) you can just sell the excess under the idea that "Penny saved in a penny earned" which yeah would be a big help with plex costs.

I injected a few sp into several of my toons, no complaints really, the diminishing returns sucks but it makes sense, maybe they should have added an isk cost to extracting and injecting as a isk sink but vov what do i know

the extractors are too expensive for people to run SP alt farms, but they're great for those of us with alts that don't need any more training. Its perfect.

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the extractors are too expensive for people to run SP alt farms, but they're great for those of us with alts that don't need any more training. Its perfect.

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Exactly :D
And that is why, in my opinion, the price of injectors will drop, since people will realise that instead of paying 1.2b for monthly plex they can just pay 200-300 million

So some of you already know, but I've lately been flying nullsec incursion HQs with the Imperium (grr goons) while boxing 7-8 clients.

I've made somewhere around 24b in raw ISK and approx. 4m in raw LP using only some shitfit Tempests. I wish there was a HS incursion community that let multiboxers in (Although "Site Is Taken" is run by former DIN-Flotten members, so they might be receptive to someone boxing a squad of, say, tachmares or 1400 machs.)

Uroboros site in lowsec
http://www.twitch.tv/bugme143/v/48694607

Nullsec HQs
http://www.twitch.tv/bugme143/v/47820168

More clicking is involved compared to pre-ban, but I'm confident that a proper Tachmare or 1400 Mach squad can easily be multiboxed in highsec.


E: Also, highsec MJD Tachmare fleet anyone?

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Can people please start making new threads? This is way to long. Nobody is going to browse 33 pages of post.

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Time for a subreddit...

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So some of you already know, but I've lately been flying nullsec incursion HQs with the Imperium (grr goons) while boxing 7-8 clients.

I've made somewhere around 24b in raw ISK and approx. 4m in raw LP using only some shitfit Tempests. I wish there was a HS incursion community that let multiboxers in (Although "Site Is Taken" is run by former DIN-Flotten members, so they might be receptive to someone boxing a squad of, say, tachmares or 1400 machs.)

Uroboros site in lowsec
http://www.twitch.tv/bugme143/v/48694607

Nullsec HQs
http://www.twitch.tv/bugme143/v/47820168

More clicking is involved compared to pre-ban, but I'm confident that a proper Tachmare or 1400 Mach squad can easily be multiboxed in highsec.


E: Also, highsec MJD Tachmare fleet anyone?

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a question i forgot to ask you in the in-game channel, in your opinion are hqs better or worse when compared to vgs in terms of multiboxing? i mean isk and "work load" wise.


MJD tachmare?
i would be up for that :P

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a question i forgot to ask you in the in-game channel, in your opinion are hqs better or worse when compared to vgs in terms of multiboxing? i mean isk and "work load" wise.


MJD tachmare?
i would be up for that :P

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IMO better :effort:-wise, especially post-ban. VG-wise, it depends on the fleet you're with.

As for the tachmare idea, well, we can write that off now.

Anyone miss the devblog where they talk about overlays aka dxnothing etc?

http://community.eveonline.com/news/...ount-security/

Might be a shot over the bow for videofx stuff.

Separate thread on the topic in this forum

https://zkillboard.com/br/67376/
C5 Magnetar farming apparently.

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[Barghest, Arcuuus's Barghest]
Ballistic Control System II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II
Missile Guidance Enhancer II


EM Ward Field II
Large Micro Jump Drive
Large Shield Extender II
Missile Guidance Computer II,Missile Precision Script
Missile Guidance Computer II,Missile Range Script
Missile Guidance Computer II,Missile Range Script


Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher,Nova Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher,Nova Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher,Nova Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher,Nova Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher,Nova Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher,Nova Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I


Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Large Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Large Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I




Valkyrie SW-600 x1
Hobgoblin I x8

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Autos get a whopping 729 DPS out to an amazing 434km.

I'm amazed and sad that I didn't think about doing this....

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https://zkillboard.com/br/67376/
C5 Magnetar farming apparently.

Autos get a whopping 729 DPS out to an amazing 434km.

I'm amazed and sad that I didn't think about doing this....

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Weren't you trying to find those guys (that guy) for months?

Lol

Also I will say c5 mag + moros lvl4/5 = 7.7b~ an hour on paper or 7b realistically for 4 characters (1 spawn dread and 2 spawn carriers + hero dread)

Or go with the self tanking rattlesnake gang we came up with and nuke them with the same dps. Just keep MJD in f2 slot and mash it across all characters and wing warp.

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Weren't you trying to find those guys (that guy) for months?

Lol

Also I will say c5 mag + moros lvl4/5 = 7.7b~ an hour on paper or 7b realistically for 4 characters (1 spawn dread and 2 spawn carriers + hero dread)

Or go with the self tanking rattlesnake gang we came up with and nuke them with the same dps. Just keep MJD in f2 slot and mash it across all characters and wing warp.

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Yeah, I was. I'm considering reviving the Gila Fleet or a cheap VNI fleet for when we get a C5 static, but the MJD team is interesting. Care to share the Rattler fit?

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Yeah, I was. I'm considering reviving the Gila Fleet or a cheap VNI fleet for when we get a C5 static, but the MJD team is interesting. Care to share the Rattler fit?

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[Rattlesnake, C5 Solo]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II


Shield Boost Amplifier II
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pith C-Type EM Ward Field
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Large Micro Jump Drive


Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Auto Targeting System I


Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Curator II x2

It stands at this for stats. Reason be is because sig will help you tank those 3k dps waves and hit the 70k ones.
You can tinker around with it but the ideas behind my stuff are as follows.


When theorizing new fleet metas the things I checklist for is:

1) Can it escape through conventional means or a method?
I've come across even using MJD deployables in a group, holding D, and activating the already anchored structure. Sometimes bubble immune t3's

2) Can it effectively* run the site or objective?
I like to hit token numbers like 1000 applicable dps, solo tank to minimize clicking*, or flat out drone swarm lazy mode.
*Effective between multiple figures Ingame and Out of. Can I ____ in one hour from log in to closing client, or should I invest in a better mouse.
*The less clicks the better even if it means pumping 2000 dps vindis on a cap spawn or bomber fleet in a RG, your sanity is worth more than a pretty penny.

3) Will I lose more if I die right now or can I gain it back slower and cheaper?
Sometimes its better to go with the known cheaper method of VNI's than lose your pimplsnakes.

4) How much of a splash am I making?
Will I get an army to show up to end me and my cause?

What range do you park at?

Given the nerfs to the static income of high class wormholes, you will most likely want to revive gilas/ find some other mobile and less mass-heavy teams. Fuck ccp...

OK, I've been using Hai's WhipSnakes for a bit, and I'm loving them.

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[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake]Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II


Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II


Drone Link Augmentor II
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher


Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II




Garde II x6


Scourge Auto-Targeting Light Missile I x33670

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3 Tracking, 2 Optimal scripts. I've been tempted to get a Pith C and do 4 Tracking 2 Opti, but gonna save the isk. The Rapid Lights are awesome as they usually clear 3-4 frigates while I'm focusing down the cruisers and Battleships.

DDD:

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[Rapier, DDD]Damage Control II
Signal Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II


Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Large Shield Extender II




Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

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If I stagger the mids just right, I can cycle off a frig every 4 seconds. That means that in an OTA I can pick off all the Tamas and Niarjas before the Deltole and Augas get in range, and in NCOs I can snag all the Tamas and Schmaels. Fed Webs over TS because of the 60% web power. 75km with boosts and no heat, which is fairly sexy. 94km overheated, though you'll rarely need that.
I went LSE + Invuln over Double Invuln because of the Deltole, and it seems to be working well.

Hello guys, ao i have resubbed my alts to do some incursions with my domi fleet, and im wondering if anyone has ever considered trying machs for incursions. I know the nightmare has been the choice for boxing since ever, but the mach, from what i see/know may bring more advantages for boxing... (more dps, tank, drones, warp speed, etc...). The only downsides i can find on the mach are the lack of utility mids for webs and the big use of ammo. But anyways, i just wanted to try to find out the reason behind the nightmare vs machariel thing.

This is autocannons machariels btw

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Hello guys, ao i have resubbed my alts to do some incursions with my domi fleet, and im wondering if anyone has ever considered trying machs for incursions. I know the nightmare has been the choice for boxing since ever, but the mach, from what i see/know may bring more advantages for boxing... (more dps, tank, drones, warp speed, etc...). The only downsides i can find on the mach are the lack of utility mids for webs and the big use of ammo. But anyways, i just wanted to try to find out the reason behind the nightmare vs machariel thing.

This is autocannons machariels btw

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Because you burn up so much ammo it's absolutely silly. Ammo that you have to pay for and move around. Ammo that you have to check every time you intend to head out to grind VGs. With only two gyros you'll go through about 133 rounds per mach per minute of firing. You can see how this quickly scales into a ridiculous amount of ammo if you want to run for hours. Then there's the lack of tracking bonuses...


In contrast I leave my guys floating in space so I can log in at any time run some vgs and then log out. Can't do that as well with machs as you'll have to dock for ammo.

Yeah, exactly what i tough then... the ammo issue :s

I ran some VGs yesterday with some of my gank alts. 7 VNI and 3 basi with shield PVP fits. I ended up using one of the VNIs as a DDD cause clicking on each client was getting annoying (used a t2 web instead of point). Booster alt wasn't using an implant but was in a claymore.

Was good for about 15-20 minute ticks with 10 on grid with t2 hammerheads. I was just practicing for PVP encounters so it wasn't setup for site times(basically reversed kill order leaving niarjas and deltole for last). Got some good practice in AND made like 300m an hour lol. I did lose one VNI because I completely underestimated the damage (first site first agro). My domi fleet makes it a snoozefest in comparison.

With a proper armor tank and only two logi I could imagine <10 minute ticks would be pretty easy.

If you will be doing multiboxed pvp, i highly suggest gilas with basis and a boosting vulture. Worked amazingly for me :P

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If you will be doing multiboxed pvp, i highly suggest gilas with basis and a boosting vulture. Worked amazingly for me :P

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Gilas cost more and aren't as effective now due to a loss of a low slot. VNIs are my low cost alternative and I use a claymore to boost so basically the same concept.

I've technically been boxing pvp but it's been very small time stuff. I'm just trying to move up to bigger things. I also haven't actually done logi in a pvp fight in ages so I wanted to get warmed up :P

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Gilas cost more and aren't as effective now due to a loss of a low slot. VNIs are my low cost alternative and I use a claymore to boost so basically the same concept.

I've technically been boxing pvp but it's been very small time stuff. I'm just trying to move up to bigger things. I also haven't actually done logi in a pvp fight in ages so I wanted to get warmed up :P

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Probably not what you're looking for, but 100mn Huginn or Rapier is hilarious as a DDD because you can't really get caught. I haven't looked but you can probably stuff 100mn ABs onto a VNI.

On topic of isk grinding, fastest way I think post-ban is Self-Tanking Rattlers with Geckos. I've tweaked the German's fit and found that CCCs give better cap Regen and cap stability than the Safeguard rigs he had on, and you lower your sig a bit because no penalty from the shield rigs.

Also, AAR of Assaults with USTZ / ISN Secondary:

I managed to help get their Assaults rolling with my sentry snakes and Rapier. The first night I could only squeeze in 4+1 because they cross-recruited from ISN, but the second night I got 7+1 going for a while. I mentioned I'd be willing to buy a squad of Tachmares or Machs for HQs if we ever get em going, and they were fairly receptive to that idea.

i used to fly pretty much daily with isn... (i think i actually became part of primary at some point) they were the best group back then imo...

from what i remember they were pretty anti-multiboxing at the time, but if they are open to it now then i would love to box hq fleets with them :P (would still have a couple things to train tough :S)

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Probably not what you're looking for, but 100mn Huginn or Rapier is hilarious as a DDD because you can't really get caught. I haven't looked but you can probably stuff 100mn ABs onto a VNI.

On topic of isk grinding, fastest way I think post-ban is Self-Tanking Rattlers with Geckos. I've tweaked the German's fit and found that CCCs give better cap Regen and cap stability than the Safeguard rigs he had on, and you lower your sig a bit because no penalty from the shield rigs.

Also, AAR of Assaults with USTZ / ISN Secondary:

I managed to help get their Assaults rolling with my sentry snakes and Rapier. The first night I could only squeeze in 4+1 because they cross-recruited from ISN, but the second night I got 7+1 going for a while. I mentioned I'd be willing to buy a squad of Tachmares or Machs for HQs if we ever get em going, and they were fairly receptive to that idea.

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Making some oversized AB fits has been on my to do list. Not a lot of free time lately.

Oversized AB fits are the bread and butter of AFK ratting, as well as some niche pvp fits. I like to 100mn ishtars/VNIs in pvp as well as command dessies.

Agreed. One of the more interesting things I've been toying with is a fleet of MJFG Magi for low/null shenanigans. Here's what I have so far:

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[Magus, Fleet]

Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II


Micro Jump Field Generator
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender


Light Electron Blaster II, Null S
Light Electron Blaster II, Null S
Light Electron Blaster II, Null S
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]


Small Core Defense Field Extender II
Small Core Defense Field Extender II




Hobgoblin II x1
Hammerhead II x3

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For the primary you have some form of tackle, of course. It's really nasty from what little I've been able to test out.

http://i.imgur.com/VcN9sua.png

Bifrost

Also not sure why you'd fit DDAs and go shield instead of taking advantage of the armor bonuses.

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Bifrost

Also not sure why you'd fit DDAs and go shield instead of taking advantage of the armor bonuses.

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I put a premium on killing the target and GTFOing as fast as possible over max tank.

bugme, have you managed to actually run the self-tanking snake fleet yet? If so, what is the trigger? or do you just have the main trigger using a civ gun or something? It looks great, but that is a lot of travel time for those geckos

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bugme, have you managed to actually run the self-tanking snake fleet yet? If so, what is the trigger? or do you just have the main trigger using a civ gun or something? It looks great, but that is a lot of travel time for those geckos

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I haven't personally, but here's what the German said (with proper English translations):

No triggers. You manually assign each gecko to separate frigates, and they will kill them.
The travel time is greatly reduced thanks to the faction Drone Nav Comp. With a Fed Navy DNC, the Gecko moves at 3km/s, which is plenty.

Alrighty

After a few months away from Eve I resubbed the other day.


Updated my desktop to windows 10 and started playing around with AHK to assign each virtual desktop with its own focus hotkey (to bring it into focus, clarify)
After playing around with a few accounts I gave up on using AHK, not because it wasn't possible, I got it to work rather well, but because just using Win+Crtl+Desktop# worked well enough.

Funnily enough after playing around with my setup I do a quick google search to see if I can't streamline my setup any further, came across this reddit post on the topic of multiboxing with Windows 10 virtual desktops.

Link :https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comment...iboxing_trick/

Finding this a lot easier to use than Eve-O preview which I have not touched since last year.

However I seem to have missed several changes to game mechanics...like what is up with carriers and the supposed nerf to afk ratting?
Anyone care to explain / share what they've been up to?

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Alrighty

After a few months away from Eve I resubbed the other day.


Updated my desktop to windows 10 and started playing around with AHK to assign each virtual desktop with its own focus hotkey (to bring it into focus, clarify)
After playing around with a few accounts I gave up on using AHK, not because it wasn't possible, I got it to work rather well, but because just using Win+Crtl+Desktop# worked well enough.

Funnily enough after playing around with my setup I do a quick google search to see if I can't streamline my setup any further, came across this reddit post on the topic of multiboxing with Windows 10 virtual desktops.

Link :https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comment...iboxing_trick/

Finding this a lot easier to use than Eve-O preview which I have not touched since last year.

However I seem to have missed several changes to game mechanics...like what is up with carriers and the supposed nerf to afk ratting?
Anyone care to explain / share what they've been up to?

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Basically, fighters don't auto-aggro rats anymore and carriers can't use heavies / sentries anymore. Also there's NPC dreads and titans that will spawn and shoot you from time to time.