Yes you should be able to find me in the Isboxer discord or Quiding#3219Quote:
Originally Posted by psycore
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Yes you should be able to find me in the Isboxer discord or Quiding#3219Quote:
Originally Posted by psycore
holy shit thanks for that tippQuote:
Originally Posted by razzy
How do you gear your warriors? Following normal bis or made your own using plate due to them all tanking in dps spec? Do you have axe spec on all of them? Have you tried sword to see if thats better due to the proc?
Also, how did you go about setting this up to avoid the annoying bug with all melee specs and iwt? Seperate keybind for iwt or mashed in with the normal button that spams your macro for the rotation? What does your macros look like btw?
Already been considering boosting 3x warriors using my current warrior and priest as boosters once I get them to 60. I want a team that can both zerg through shit easily at 60, but also be viable in world pvp.
The plan is to - since I already have a shaman in my current team - use the 4x warrs and the shaman (resto ofc) for basically everything other than world pvp. And maybe switch in the priest for UBRS etc if some of my friends or guildies etc wants to run that.
For world pvp I plan to switch in the priest in place of a warrior (and ofc for BGs if it turns out that follow isnt disabled) so I have WF, but also someone that can dispell magic etc.
I need to take a better look at everything to see if what I have in mind is even possible, but I also plan to set everything up so that I can drive from any of the characters. That way I can utilize engineering and get out its OP potential. And hopefully wreck some ass!
Looking awesome as always, bro! Got me even more determined on boosting the 3 warrios once I hit 60 with my current team!
I have 4WS team at 60. 1 warrior is fury and has all the best gear you can buy, cloudkeeper, arcanite reaper, lionshearth helm. Then I have the other 3 which are average dungeon geared and arms specced. Anyway... I often have a look on the overall damage meters and usually the 2 arms warriors with axes (they are all orcs) are top damage, then come the other 2. Last arms warrior is using a sword and has sword spec talents. Even at equal level dungeons the weapon skill seems to matter.
That LBRS clear video is mine, you can suggest me if you want to see somwthing specific. I need quite a few items from strat UD and I plan to do it this week and after that start farming either DM W or DM N tribute. I've also been doing UBRS, my 4 warriors and shaman + another healer, one tank and some dps. We have needed to kite drakk so rogue/mage/hunter is best.
Weapon skill in classic is hugely important. There's a reason an item like edgemaster's is BiS until Naxx level gear. +5 Weapon skill is the equivalent of 1% crit, 2% hit and reduces your glancing blow damage reduction significantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swydi
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Target at +3 levels, +5 weapon skill (13.86% crit chance, n=1677)
- Hit: 61.78% ±2.37% (1036)
- Crit (Overall): 7.33% ±1.27% (123)
- Crit (Two-roll): 10.12% ±1.73% (123)
- Miss: 6.50% ±1.20% (109)
- Parry: 14.91% ±1.74% (250)
- Dodge: 6.08% ±1.17% (102)
- Block: 4.29% ±0.99% (72)
Everyone knows how good weapon skill is vs higher level mobs, but I was saying that it does seem to make a difference even against same or lower level mobs. But this is just personal, possibly biased opinion.
That attack table is for +3 level mobs too, unrelated to the quote.
If you can please try to have your single Fury Warrior charge in first and immediately shout & then have the arms charge in just slightly after and report back what your damage meters look like. On clumped groups of 5+ mobs there should be mobs that the Fury warrior does not hit and the Arms Warriors should at least peel them off (if not more/other mobs due to Sweeping Strikes). If your results are consistent with other's testing the Fury Warrior should be at least on par with the Arms warriors (or likely higher) with all of them putting out solid damage on clumps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swydi
For testing purposes, to not have any fancy action target groups or what not, you could have only the Fury warrior charge on 1 key-press and then put the Fury warrior's shout and the other 3 Arms warrior's charge on the 2nd button. That would slightly stagger the charge with minimal affect to your rotations. If any of your warriors also shout right at the charge you could try to put a macro that does both on those warriors... Personally my Fury Warrior does both types of shouts for my team & the Arms focus on DPS...
Please also put links to videos of your team in other at cap dungeons like BRD, DM, Scholo, Strat, UBRS, etc. Lots of people would benefit from seeing them!
Edit: I updated the initial post in this thread to denote where/who each video came from.
Please keep this thread focused on PVE dungeon clearing by boxed melee-cleave teams...
Please everyone lets get some additional boxed melee-cleave videos posted... Would like to list some videos with different healers than Shaman and/or with dual-healers as well.
Please everyone also post your Warrior and Healer specs to this thread and I will put them in the initial post (citing credit like I did for Quiding's Shaman build).
My rotation is charge - (bloodrage) - sweeping strikes - berserker stance - mortal strike - whirlwind. I use battle shout usually at the end of the combat and there are only 2 pulls in LBRS where I use demo shout, none in stratholme.Quote:
Originally Posted by nodoze
Bloodrage generates 55 threat immediately on pull, when available, and I don't really ever have to swap target to get to hit all mobs or to get agro from my shaman. One exception again is the big packs of mobs in stratholme. But what I was getting at is that I doubt that having one of them charge and shout first makes a difference. There is a reason I made tgat specific warrior fury. He was always doing the most dps while leveling and I spread the gear equally, he is in slot 2, Idk if that makes the difference.
If that works one major advantage, and the only one imo, is that fury warrior has the best armor values so he would reduce incoming damage a bit. I need to redo my setup at some point so I can drive from the warriors too, I might try that then. At this moment I think there are couple other things to improve on and figure out that can increase clear speeds. For example more efficient execute and sunder armor management, weak auras to show SS/WW/MS/charge cooldowns, spreading the warriors around mobs rather than having them stacked
I just now realized that hamstring is useless. Rather than doing hamstring I think it is better doing sunder armor. And I think the same applies to HS/cleave too
If ISboxer does the initial charge sequentially across slots 2-5, even though it appears simultaneous to the human eye, that might explain why your 2nd slot typically does the highest DPS over time (even with same spec/gear)... It could be that your slot 2 isn't getting initial sight aggro and initial hits from enemy mobs 100% of the time like with my approach but on average just enough to tip the balance to be statistically significant resulting in the higher numbers you were seeing on slot 2... So with that in mind you may actually have unintendingly been inconsistently doing what I am advocating trying to do intentionally and consistently to know for sure whether it make a difference... You actually geared the way I recommend (best gear/armor on the Fury Warrior)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Swydi
I think this may actually be even more drastic once your exception of bigger pulls becomes your norm... As your gear progresses it will be to your advantage to get bigger and bigger packs of mobs... If you start driving from your Fury warrior and are walking toward your inital pack of mobs from out of charge range you will actually exprence this whether you intend to or not as your lead warrior will be in range first and thus charge first and the follow warriors will be delayed by the few steps it take for them to get into range also... In the end it may not make a big difference but why not try it? It will naturally happen if you start driving from your Fury warrior but it would be fairly trivial to try even if you keep driving from your Shaman... With you reporting your observations on your slot 2 I think you may already be in part doing this but maybe just aren't doing it consistently...
Please everyone lets get some additional boxed melee-cleave videos posted... Would like to list some videos with different healers than Shaman and/or with dual-healers as well and want examples from all the end game dungeons...
Please everyone also post your Warrior and Healer specs to this thread and I will put them in the initial post (citing credit like I did for Quiding's Shaman build).
Sorry I don't know how to use quotes better.Quote:
Originally Posted by nodoze
Couple things I want to mention. Charge generates big chunk of rage and if you are using sweeping strike, charge is better way to preserve the momentum than chain or mass pulling and doing stance switches for sweeping strikes. This is due to 2 things. Warriors have very limited AoE abilities and you end up auto attacking bunch of mobs to not get agro on healer and slowing you down. The other one is that between small/average pulls the healer can drink whenever and the warriors can keep on going.
About the best geared warrior getting initial sight agro. It is good and bad, the less damage you take the less rage you gen and overall less enrage uptime, but also the less healer has to heal and thus drink. If I had the control to choose who gets agro, I would split it evenly between all warriors to maximize enrage uptime and reduce the chance any of my warriors are instantly killed due to multiple crits in a row.
I might upload stratholm UD video tonight and I'll edit this if I do.
I understand what you think but I disagree, but I may be wrong because I haven't seen or tested it in action.