So I take it this is still happening? Kind of hesitant to PvP with AV weekend coming up.
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So I take it this is still happening? Kind of hesitant to PvP with AV weekend coming up.
They have all started with 3 hour suspensions so even if you get caught in it you wont suffer too much. Go ahead and enjoy your AV weekend and in the rare case you get a suspension just take a break and it will be over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Multibocks
got done once opened ticket they removed it all, not been banned in over 2 weeks now doing none stop bg's when i playQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnGabriel
I got temp banned on Christmas day. Waited 2 days for a response. They said it was their mistake. Got my accounts back. Just temp banned / suspended 3 of my accounts again just a few minutes ago.
reopen ticket ask again why? stay out off bg's a few daysQuote:
Originally Posted by Percocet10n1
until this is fixed... this is bullshit.
This is the answer I recieved:Quote:
Originally Posted by ebony
Greetings,
After further review, the penalty has been overturned. Please understand that certain behaviors, while not directly in violation, will be classified as bot-like behavior. Should penalties continue to be applied, it will be increasingly more difficult to justify overturning them.
We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused and hope we have addressed any concerns you may have had. Please let us know if we can be of further assistance to you.
As a reminder, only the Account Administration department can address disputes or questions about this account action. To learn more about how we are able to assist you, please visit us at http://us.blizzard.com/support/article/21505.
Regards,
Blizzard Entertainment
us.battle.net/support
Sounds like we can no longer multibox PvP without risk, especially since continued penalties may not be overturned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Percocet10n1
And do we still have no idea why its effecting boxers? Have you noticed less bots in pvp? Are people QQing less in blizzard forums now there are less bots? Are the changes they made helping anything at all?
I'm not a pro player like a lot of people here. Just the opposite. I sit in the back ground and search out fixes to my problems. So I've never really ever seen too many bots. The only time I've ever really noticed them is when the whole opposite team seems to be bots. When they move together in one giant mob, destroying everything in their path.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnGabriel
Those bots sound quite... prepared.Quote:
Originally Posted by Percocet10n1
Botters usually use alot of accounts because they gold sell or account sell....
One thing botters are starting to do is make characters with similar or identical names so when they get caught they can claim they were muti boxing....
lolwhat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Tire
is that so
Well I would link stuff but it would be from websites that are not to be named.
Well I just got banned for 3 days. Have no clue why. I was in the middle of my 5th AV of the night and boom, dc. Went to log on, and received the ban message. Check my email and I have been suspended for 3 days for PVP Arena/Battleground exploitation.
I had all add on's turned off accept for my multi boxing program. I'm tired of this shit. 7 suspensions in 3 days. I'm done.
yep it is true saw about 6 "boxers" today in av but they was not in the same place at the time same time all fighting and doing stuff but all with very close names some was not even on the same server but all the ally was saying multiboxer its fine don't reported it no point as its ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Tire
Still not been banned (3 boxing) smaller number in bg's are helping me at this bad time anyway. my names are very close.
seems to be something that's going to come up and go down though all i told is if you got picked up by the system then stay a few days out off bg's and then replay about 5 days later what they said on the phone to me. (he said he car't say how the system works)
But it seems once u get picked up and after your 1st ban your blacklisted or something and if you keep playing even one AFK report can ban you again. waiting a few days seems to work.
i don't know if this is true or not but seems to work for me and what i have "tested" with a accounts i don't care about in low level stuff. but on my test i was boxing five warlocks (mop demo so free gametime) got reported a few times got my ban wave in a few hours after (3 hours) on 4 off them after that logged back on and got reported again (a friends reported me) and got DC saying i my account was closed (3 day ban) all bans got removed ticked said sould be ok. went back in more bg's and got reported again got a life time ban
Ticket again said blah blah same posted here. unlocked accounts left it a week and all is ok again atm.
Grüße xxxxxxxx!
Mein Name ist ist Gamemaster Arivelantes und ich schreibe dir bezüglich deines Tickets. Bitte entschuldige die Wartezeit, wir versuchen alles um bald wieder schneller zur Verfügung zu sein. Ich werde aber versuchen dir erst einmal mit diesem Brief weiterzuhelfen.
Ich habe mir deinen Fall noch einmal genauestens angeschaut, und konnte einige Hinweise darauf finden dass die Accountstrafen durch Multiboxing ausgelöst wurden.
Nach ausführlicher Untersuchung kann ich dir mitteilen dass die Accountstrafen aufgehoben wurden. Multiboxing ist ein sehr sensibles Thema in unseren Untersuchungen, weswegen die Strafen dort extrem genau untersucht werden müssen.
Leider kann es aufgund der Struktur des Systems passieren, dass erneute Accountstrafen verhängt werden. Du solltest Inaktivität im BG möglichst vermeiden. Dazu kann auch der generelle Aufbau der Multiboxingfunktionen deiner Charaktere solche Maßnahmen auslösen, welches leider nicht immer komplett nachvollziehbar ist.
Ich hoffe du hast Verständnis dafür dass wir solche Maßnahmen durchführen müssen um das Spielerlebnis für alle Spieler möglichst zu verbessern. Leider gibt es dabei manchmal auch Fälle wie deinen. Bitte entschuldige die entstandenen Unannehmlichkeiten.
Falls du noch weitere Hilfe benötigst, lass es uns ruhig wissen und wir werden uns direkt darum kümmern.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Gamemaster xxxxxxxxx
Gamemaster Team
Blizzard Entertainment Europe
Google Translate added by Khat
Quote:
Greetings xxxxxxxx!
My name is Game Master Arivelantes and I am writing regarding your tickets. Please excuse the delay, we will try to soon to be available faster. I'll try but once you weiterzuhelfen with this letter. I've looked at your case again carefully, and could find some evidence that the account penalties were triggered by Multiboxing.
After extensive investigation, I can inform you that the account penalties were lifted. Multiboxing is a very sensitive issue in our study, so the punishment must be examined there extremely accurate.
Unfortunately, it can happen aufgund the structure of the system that new account penalties. You should avoid inactivity in BG as possible. This can include the general design of the Multiboxing functions of your characters cause such measures, which unfortunately is not always completely understandable.
I hope you understand that we do need to implement such measures in order to improve the gaming experience for all players as possible. Unfortunately, there is sometimes there are cases like yours. Please excuse the inconvenience.
If you still need more help, let us know and we will quietly take care directly for it.
Sincerely,
Gamemaster xxxxxxxxx
Game Master Team
Blizzard Entertainment Europe
Greetings xxxxxxxx!
My name is is Gamemaster Arivelantes and I write to you with regard to your ticket. Please, the waiting period excuses, we try to be everything around soon again faster at the possession. However, I will will try to help you first of all with this letter.
I have most exactly looked your case once again, and could find some tips to it that the account punishments were released by Multiboxing.
According to detailed investigation I can inform you that the account punishments were lifted. Multiboxing is a very sensitive subject in our investigations, why the punishments there extremely exactly must be examined.
Unfortunately, it can happen aufgund of the structure of the system that renewed account punishments are covered. You should avoid Inaktivität in the BG possibly. In addition the general construction of the Multiboxingfunktionen of your characters cannot always also release such measures, which, unfortunately, completely understandably
aufgund of the structure of the system pass that renewed account punishments are covered. You should avoid Inaktivität in the BG possibly. In addition the general construction of the Multiboxingfunktionen of your characters can also release such measures which are not always completely understandable, unfortunately.
I hope you had to carry out understanding for it that we such measures to improve the play experience for all players possibly. Besides, unfortunately, there sometimes are also cases like yours. Please, excuses the resulted inconvenience.
If you need even other help, it lets us know quietly and we will look directly after it.
Yours sincerely,
Gamemaster xxxxxxxxx
Gamemaster team
Blizzard entertainment Europe
Bad Translation from google--hard for me to understand, is it saying that this person was punished not for multiboxing but for multiboxing poorly and ruining other player experiences in BG? Seems like a common thread recently if thats correct. Basically if you pvp don't suck at it? Maybe someone can post a better translation.
This is absurd. Their system is effecting people who have been loyal to the game for YEARS. I understand being against botters and such but this is just stupid. So now we can't multi-box anymore in PVP essentially... when this season is the worst season to do so.
Only happens in battlegrounds, to my knowledge. I dunno, I've done dozens and dozens of battlegrounds, more than I can count, and it's hit me 2 or 3 times total. Frustrating, but not a big deterrent at all, hasn't prevented me from 99% of my play time. When one of the accounts hit 72 hour suspension that's when I threatened to cancel and it got their attention very quickly.
Some seem to be more unlucky than others.. ^^ 7 suspensions in 3 days?
I think maybe the way in which they were multiboxing triggered alarms for 'afking' - perhaps because they were on follow for a long period without action, or similar.
I'm staying away from any BG's until they fix it (*and stop confusing multiboxers for BOTs, and this entire report system in BG's sucks!) I doubt they gonna change anything- if not im gonna probably quit multiboxing- and save $130 a month. it sucks when you pay monthly and for expansions, put shitload of time to get to 90' and one day they just flip the switch- and change something on their end.
Hey Seth - I wish you would try it. Just to see what happens. Since you use a different program then me I think you might be ok. The frustration I have is that blizz won't give me an exact answer for the 3 hour suspensions, which led me to more 3 hour suspensions and finally a 3 day suspension.
For you, I wonder if you would have any problems being you use a different software then I. Try running a few AV's. Worst thing that would happen is you would get a 3 hour suspension if you have the same problem as me. I am very curious to see someone I am familiar with go into the AV's and see if they have any problems like me. If you get a suspension just open a ticket and blizz will take care of it. Otherwise they won't fix it and you will forever be virtually self banned from doing BG's.
^_ which program do you use for boxing?
isboxer
I've been using it for years. I don't think it's a isboxer or any other software issue on our end. I believe it's a blizz issue that tracks multi boxers as bots.
I'm also using isboxer - I think after patch they did something and it detects multiboxers as bots. OR only it takes few people to report you as cheating and you get locked out.
But the question is : Why 3 days or 3 hours? It's some kind of warning- something like you can multibox, but stay away from Bg's. if you come you get locked again.
The program you use is rather irrelevant. What they've done is escalated the /report function inside BGs.
How priority that is now is mystery to me but they either upped it significantly or made it so X number of reports in Y time means you are suspended.
I've been 5 boxing my B&P team for a week now and have not done a single BG. Just questing and 5 man dungeons. No suspensions at all. And I know for a fact some of the goofballs who tried to gank me open world did actually /report me before trying to.
People will /report you quick as shit when they see you are multiboxing because they despise us as much as botters. You should see some of the conversations I have with the retards on Cho'Lawl. They reported us back then too but now it's become a real problem with the functionality change.
LOL I didn't read your tag.. My bad. I thought you were using the other software for some reason.
@MadMilitia - And that is the problem. Why should you, as a multi-boxer, who does all the same things as a single player have to change the way you play the game? I mean, you quest, do dungeons and even bg/arena just like a single player. But because you use multiple accounts (that you pay for) you have to now stay away from one or several aspects of the game. Some how even though you pay just like a single player, you can't enjoy the game in the same way.
You are forced not to play certain aspects of the game just because blizzard came up with a knee jerk reaction to bots. Blizz is very hypocritical in this aspect, saying that multi boxing is ok with them and they allow it, when in reality, as of late they really don't. The bans/suspensions work in a snow ball effect as the more you get the worse the next penalty will be. And if you have lots of time to let the bans run out, the second you come up on the radar you will be banned/suspended again. They will take your money, but god forbid you get reported or you have toons on follow (what ever is causing these problems).
I also understand that I am in the minority. Not all multi boxers have had the same experience as me. I have been told that there are other MB's running AV and not having any problems. I am clueless why I received 8 bans/suspensions in 3 days. Hence why I am very upset with blizz at the moment.
good post, thanks - it makes tons of sense. well after the patch- I play probably for 2-3 hours a day. and never got locked out of my accounts. and did crap load of open pvp world. and got reported dozens of times for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMilitia
It might just be your battle group and / or server. Some servers are top heavy with jealous retards. Others not so much. Mind, I don't condone it. The whole boxxing looking like botting thing only came about because botters all use similar scripts so they all move together. But that isn't the reason we are getting banned. The BG community at large hates multiboxers as much as botters so they don't give a fig one way or another. They just abuse the tool that Blizzard gave them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Percocet10n1
So Blizzard needs to take away that tool. Problem solved for us that wasn't really affecting the subtle botters anyways.
But normal battlegrounds are region specific.
Every US server is in the same pool.
As is every EU server.
So if for example, Cenarius US (my original server) detests/reports boxers but Magtheridon US (my current server) tolerates/likes boxers... there's an equal chance of having players from either server in a non-rated battleground.
As far as I know, the only time battleground matters is for Arena and/or Rated Battlegrounds.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sethlan
I'm sure you did. You can always tell when they stop and do the gawking thing. They are just making sure to /report you to grief you even more when they try and gank you. Not realizing that open world /report is about as effective as sweeping sand into the ocean.
I've noticed when doing quests I see some people who just stop and do nothing like they've gone afk to take a dump. Those are the /report clowns thinking it works the same way open world that it does currently in BGs. Every once in a while someone rides by and asks for an invite to group or says something like wow dude how do you do that? Or awesome!
Sometimes I wish WoW had some anti-social mechanism like EQ had. Don't like what I'm doing? Tough shit! Here, have a train of mobs to chew on.
As a matter of fact you don't do the same things a single player does. A single players presses 1 button and fires off 1 spell. A multiboxers presses 1 button and fires off 5 spells by using 3rd party software. That is quite a differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Percocet10n1
They have said that they have no objections towards multiboxing, that they tolerate it, but that they don't support it. Which basically comes down to:Quote:
Originally Posted by Percocet10n1
- the concept of playing multiple chars at once is fine with them, but it's at your own risk
- if something changes in the game, and it would make multiboxing impossible, then its your own problem
And that is what happened. They implement certain bot detection systems and it hits multiboxers. So according to their stance it means that it's your problem. Yet they investigate and have unbanned pretty much everyone.
Could try switching leads every 30 seconds or so?
Then a toon would be on follow, for a maximum of 2 minutes (if five boxing) or under five minutes (if ten boxing).
Not really sure if this would help any, but it doesn't hurt to experiment.
I'd assume an actual bot is going to be stuck on perpetual follow.
At the moment, it is pretty inconvenient.
But the suspensions are temporary.
And as far as I know, boxers have not been banned because of it.
Not to split hairs here but the mechanism they implemented was giving annoying random BG tools the ability to /report you into suspension. They have no way other than turning warden back on to differentiate between a bot and a player. They've effectively left it up to the animal farm to decide who is cheating and who isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by zenga
I'm just happy that it only works in BGs and not in open world. We'd really be screwed then.
Ya, I know I got many whispers, Reported, enjoy your ban, go kill youurself ETC, I'm not even responding- Even by reporting them on all ten guys it wont change a thing. people are just butt hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMilitia
it can happen automatically, no one needs to report you