People are forgetting about hungering cold.
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People are forgetting about hungering cold.
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Originally Posted by Mercbeast
not really ^^ page 16 is full of hungering cold :) sertainly last posts on that page
Lichborne, if warlocks/priests are running at your group.
Or if you're going at a group that includes them.
Possibly warriors, but I'd be inclined to expect them to cleave us, not scatter us.
Pillars of Frost, when you go against an Elemental Shammy, Boomkin or Fire Mage.
Not a huge deal, unless you're near a cliff.
The Anti-Magic Shell, I've used a lot.
Even though I've not pvp'd with DK's yet.
It has come in handy against mobs.
Don't think I've ever used Strangulate, Icebound Fortitude or Hungering Cold.
But Hungering Cold will be worthwhile on round-robin.
Hungering Cold is amazing for PvP and PvE IMO. I am just running a 4 DK team to level at the moment as I already have 1 DK at 80 and am too lazy to get another character to 60 to level with them.
Despite not having a full group I hungering cold round robin every minute has let me complete both Hellfire instances at level without a 5th member and only with having one toon specced blood.
In PvP I tend to go in and blow a hungering cold early just to keep everyone in the same place and throw them off their guard/burn trinkets at the start of a fight. It is unbelievable that with 4 frosties we can pop this 10 second group freeze every 15 seconds continuously if we wanted to. I am only 64 at the moment and can't wait until 70 to see what howling blast feels like, because this team seems to be out of control at the moment even without a healer.
I have hungering cold, death grip and strangulate all set to round robin for use in PvP. I mainly use strangulate on the pesky mage that is immune to my death grip and is a pain in the ass to kill, whilst I kill his mates first. Once the target is in range of course mind blast locks them down nicely but ranged strangulate is really nice for support casters who pick your team off while you are killing your primary target.
Really enjoying this team at the moment, just wish I could skip the 55-80 grind and get into the real stuff :P
Ya, Hungering Cold brings a whole new aspect to the group. You basically have two approaches to DPS, HB and then single target DPS via hungering cold. Both are going to work great I think.
From those videos, the amount HP at level 85 is disheartening. Burst is no longer the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shodokan
The retribution paladin in the video is pathetic. Can't even go toe to toe against the frost dk in melee.
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Originally Posted by Mosg2
sorry to bump this, but is this done in multiple steps? or 1 step multiple actions?
AND isnt there a solution for the scatter-effect? when they all run away
I just wanna point out, this comp can't do quite a few of the fights in heroics. Yes this is a PVP discussion so i'll keep it short.
Example: anti-melee mobs that need to be kited around, anti-melee mobs that straight up need to be killed by ranged... etc. tol'vir and halls are some examples of these types of fights.
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Originally Posted by Shodokan
so u got the dks and the shamans :) what do u prefer atm?
double post -.-
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Originally Posted by tanknspanker
Mosg2's set up is two steps.
Execute on press or release.
Step 1:
IWT & Howling Blast
Step 2:
Spams six keybinds (sends all keys)
(From the video, this is: Howling Blast x2, Frost Strike x2, Plague/Bloodstrike castsequence.)
So essentially, a weighted chance for one ability over another.
With nothing firing when you're on the GCD.
And a given ability cannot fire when it (or its rune type) is on cooldown.
You end up with consistent, IWT's and Howling Blasts.
And lots of Frost Strikes, when HB is not ready.
And some Plague/Bloodstrikes.
Would probably put the Mind Freeze mapped key into Step 2.
Have four steps for this.
Tick, do not advance for 2.5 seconds.
With one DK as the target for each step.
If you get runners...
IWT another target.
Or quickly hit /Follow, to regroup.
wow thx for this fast reply,Quote:
Originally Posted by Ualaa
however i got some issues with the step 2.....
when i do the new action keystrokes.. (got like 5 or so of them,)
with the keybinds of my dps keys, he only does step 1 i'll try it in a moment again, bg now ^^
I just dinged 80 on my Paladin and I am looking to start getting setup. I was curious Mosg2, what addons are you using? Oh how do you overcome getting into BG's without your own group, this happens all the time. You group Q and 2 characters are in one group, and 3 are in another.
http://www.justin.tv/mosg2/b/275194639
That's the link to how I have my DPS key and other random stuff setup.
@Mercbeast:
I use Grid and GridCustomLayout so that I only see my Paladin and DK's.
So you're not using vudho? Looked to me like you were ;pQuote:
Originally Posted by Mosg2
Nope. Grid/GridCustomLayouts and Clique. I played with Vuhdo but it had waaaaay to much shenanigans attached to it. I love my Grid.
Great vid Mosg2, great help :)
Thanks, I appreciate it Zooljin :)
Good video, randomly cuts out at like 10 mins, seems like you had more to say =P
Used the uplaod to Youtube button on Justive.TV as my ipad wont play this unless your streaming live.
Sorry for stealing it, edited it so everything poitns back to your site.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd8lO...=youtube_gdata
NP slats.
It didn't cut out at 10 minutes on accident haha. I've got a lot of farming to get done and I'm in a hurry nowadays :)
How do you setup your paladin?
Do you have any hotkeys bound for the Paladin or do you just click everything?
at this moment I'd like to kiss you! (not literally;-) )
but ur video just answerd all my needs for setting it up PERFECTLY
at this moment my setup works also, but with little little bitz, I think Lax can confirm this.
really thx!!
greetingz
tanknspanker
btw, I like he way you handled mind freeze.., allys now being like, WTF?!
I think mosg is handling the paladin like i do ( or i do it like he does)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercbeast
some buttons but without keybinds.
however i got 1 macro which is = /startattack => this is when im questing or pvping to random select target.
for the healing we use grid + gridlayout + clique
hope this answers ur questions ^^
Well, I seem to be having an issue with getting the DPS macro to work the way he does.
My Paladin switches targets of his own accord whenever I spam it, and I can't keep click to move from activating on him. It's a little frustrating atm ;p
Nothing is bound to the hotkey I am using for the DPS spam. I'll keep fiddling with it.
You need to change your IWT key probably. My IWT is the comma on my DK's and it's C on my Paladin. That way he only gets it when I specifically press that button.
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Originally Posted by Mercbeast
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Originally Posted by Mosg2
what i did is, i have made a action target groups with only the dk's in it, so when you make ur action
--> do (mapped key) in ( ur iwt map) -> (the names of ur dk group)
credits go to ualaa for this though :p ( i stole it from him)
so make sure ur iwt is only for all w/o current or for the ATG
the click to move enabeling i had also this afternoon, strange enough, it solved itself xD
hope you got something with this
greetingz
What I've done is create a DK action group. The entire DPS spam macro is sent ONLY to the DK action group. Yet for some reason my Paladin is doing some wacky stuff. I have serious problems with targeting. I target and it targets dead bodies, or it will switch and target the nearest friendly NPC.
Solved it, I had FLT assist set in my IWT melee spam as well so it was assisting and reassisting and causing all kinds of trouble ;p
Lol, I read your first paragraph Mercbeast and thought "He has multiple 'FTL assist' going at the same time" and then read your second line haha.
Void had the exact same problem and I helped him fix it eventually.
What Glyphs are people using btw?
I'm using...
Prime:
- Frost Strike
- Howling Blast
- Icy Touch
Major:
- Anti-Magic Shell
- Death Grip
- Hungering Cold
Minor:
- Blood Tap
- Horn of Winter
- Resilient Grip
I'm using the exact same setup myself.
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Originally Posted by Mosg2
where is ur pvp movie of a half hour?!
howling blastQuote:
Originally Posted by Mercbeast
frost strike
icy touch
hungering cold
anti-magic shell
death grip
resilient grip
horn of winter(1 dk) rest i have blood tap
death's embrace
We are all busy getting ready for cataclysm man, just going to have to wait till he gets the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by tanknspanker
I think we will definitely want to use strangulate.
Paladins using holy power to instant heal are not easy to down when you are heavily out geared ;p Mindfreeze doesn't phase them.
but he had it on justin.tv already recorded, but it seems to be gone now,Quote:
Originally Posted by Shodokan
nvm
Comment on the Interrupt only going once every 2.5 seconds:
Since the overall CD is 10 seconds, and you have 4 toons, that might make sense from a Theoretical standpoint, but what if the healer Jukes you (starts casting then stops just to get your mindfreeze CD) or you just drop Mindfreeze on them before they even cast? I just have a CC button on my ret team to drop a CC from each toon, and only leave it on a 1 sec timer. No spell will go off completely in 1 sec as of early Cata, so you can drop 2 in quick succession if need be. If you leave it as is, you will still end up missing important casts, and with the CD as it is set-up, you won't use all of them in a 10 sec period anyway.
For rets I have Repentance on 1, Stun on 2, Arcane Torrent on 3, and interrupt (Rebuke, or Midfreeze for you) on 4. This being a 4 step setup in ISBoxer, i have the DK just cycle between Silence+Mindfreeze, and Chains of Ice.
For a DK team you could cycle through the Interrupt, silence, Hungering cold, and perhaps just an extra deathgrip, since DG will interrupt at as well.
All bets on DK , is on the NS absorb healing. I played a bit frost DK at level 85 from a friend's account.
Without using obliterate , and plus the HP madness at level 85, the damage from frost DK won't be enough to kill. Holy paladin can just stand there and let you whack him. He won't go down.
Stacking NS, on the other hand, is pretty good. It will put him behind on healing. So he will die eventually. Just not burst down.
problem with melee is we can't multi-target, control other opponents. We can only focus zerg 1 target. If it takes too long to zerg down, other opponents will start to CC my team.
1 DK maybe, but 4 I disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by remanz
disagree on which part , x4 dk spamming HB => NS => FS => BS can kill a holy paladin in 3 seconds ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercbeast
I can tell you up front. That's not going to happen.
Its 120k HP, and with any defensive CD . Its going to be -20% on your damage. DK has no stun, can't stop your target from using a defensive CD. If you can't kill him in the strangulate duration, he is not going down.
the Only target that might go down is the warlock. and if he portals right, or he is demo, he might live too. Priest will be hard to kill with pain suppression + that gay absorb barrier.