Wow has lost its touch. Is cata responsible?

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Originally Posted by zenga

The obscenities shouldn't determine the outcome of the match. Yet I agree obscenities should be punished, though people tend to have a different sensitivity meter.

Either way, let's say that the killed guys did not log on to your realm and whisper you. But the rogues would sitll play hide and seek, yet their motivation is still the same: you are a boxer and they don't let you win. Would you still consider that a 45m waist of your time?

In the end you are the boxer, you are the one who can't deal with 2 hiding rogues. Stealth, cloack of shadows, vanish are class abilities. You should know that the moment you step into arena. And if you disagree you could always forfeit the game.

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The obscenities were nothing but a minor annoyance during the match, however they did outline pretty clearly, for the GM to see, what their goal was. Mainly when they said that they weren't going to let us win because I was boxing. A team of similar composition would've had the same problem with these rogues, it has nothing to do with the fact that I was boxing.

It was obvious, even before the whispers, what they were trying to do to us. There's no other explanation for their actions. The whispers and obscenities just pushed it even further into the realm of harassment.

I'm not sure why you think that I figure the outcome of the match should be determined from people spouting obscenities at me, but clearly their intention was harassment. A GM response the day after confirmed that they are indeed allowed to interfere with a match under such circumstances. I'm baffled why the GM we had the night before didn't think so. That's more where I'm concerned.

Just because a class has the abilities doesn't mean that anything they do with them is okay, they can still be abused. Just because they can do it, doesn't make it okay.

Personally it sucks when stealth classes try to keep the match going on... for the sake of denying you your win, when they have zero chance (aside from you disconnecting) at winning.
But that is their choice, and they are actually wasting five people's time on their end and only one person's time on your end.

In that situation, I'd put a movie on, on the other computer.
Something not too distracting; probably something I've seen before a couple of times... a bit of a distraction to pass the time, more sound in the background.



The verbal harassment and obscenities probably wouldn't bother me at all.
But the lack of GM response to harassment would.

That's what I would let the world know.
The Warcraft GM's are okay with this behavior.
This is what you can expect if you come to this game.

Not so much to drive away potential customers.
But more for a higher up in the chain to change that policy.

It should not be okay for idiots to verbally harass you with obscenities... with GM's observing the behavior and saying good work.

It'd be fine if they couldn't abuse the shadow sight. I miss back when it used to deal damage to the person who picked it up.

Why do people have to be like that? They act like just becuase your multiboxing you have some god mode buff on. And stealthies prolonging the match why not just eat the loss and pick it up next match?

Did you just stand on one of the stones that lets you see stealth. Get it wait for them to show and smoke them. I know it sounds easier said than done but still 4 or 5 vs two should have enabled you to find them at some point and bring a match to its inevitable end. But I have dealt with rogues and I really think they are OP with the ability to outheal a healer in arena while doing obscene amounts of damage. I just wish my healer could do as much damage as a DPSer can. Then it would be even with rogues, warrior, blood DK, feral druids and retadins... but no... wont happen. I have stopped PVPing with a healer because they don't add any value in the 2s category.

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Originally Posted by Mickthathick

Actually, Blizzard know exactly what they are doing, and it all boils down to converting trail accounts into paying subs, by ensuring new players get everything that vetern players have.

I remember reading last year that less then 10% of trail accounts become paying subscripers. That is the market they are after, they care about the mature player base to a limited extent but their focus really is on getting new players hooked and hooking their friends using social networking.

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They used that as the basis of justifying the re-working of the level 1-60 content and simplification of ability ranks and talent trees. For the most part I think they did a great job on that.

I loved lich king. For me it was 'the end' of warcraft. Finally getting to Arthas and killing him from warcraft 3 was awesome. Cata is ok, its just more of the same, but the lore right now is full of meh. Fighting ragnoros again.. meh. Fighting Deathwing/Neltharian double meh.

Let me know when we go up against Sargeras.

I've stopped playing WoW in February. For a couple months I did not play any MMO but then activated my EVE accounts, added a few and am now 15-boxing eve.

Right now I'm trying to figure out why I'd want to come back to WoW.

--- When I left:
5 "viable" 5-man teams at 85, although I really really suck at the Cata dungeons.
Almost all of my chars have their professions in order. A miner, herbalist, tailor, enchanter, and engineer on each 5-man team. Plus 8 Alchys for the cooldowns.
Guild Level 10
Good amount of gold.

--- Things that make me want to come back:
Guild Level needs to get to 25 =)
Want to level goblin and worgen teams.
Want to team up with my friend who also 5-boxes to farm TK and OS zerg every week.

--- Things that may stop me from coming back:
$75 a month subscription fees. (Eve Online allows you to pay for subscriptions with in-game currency)
Time Sink.
I suck at 5-boxing the new dungeons and haven't even stepped into a Cata raid.
Most of the people I used to play with have moved on.
Lack of good Cata dalies (although is this changing in 4.2?) I used to run the icecrown dalies with my teams to make Bank.

I've patched the client just not sure if I want to pull the trigger. The posts in this thread have been helpful.

Edit: In response to the OP, cata did kind of ruin things for me as a multiboxer. The dungeon difficulty increased quite a lot so I didn't get the hang of Cata dungeons. The dailies were nowhere as good as Icecrown dalies, so that was another thing. Not a pvp'er so I don't know if that was affected by cata.

I'm actually loving Cata now that I'm 2-boxing again. But the problem is.... it's too easy. My pally has died once in 30 hours, and that was because we were taking on 15 mobs and I couldn't heal with the shammy properly (2 step macro included a /stopcasting, so I couldn't tank and heal as it would interrupt.....D'OH!)

I'm still not over the "max 3 quests at a time" bullshit. Also why have talent trees which are so restrictive? If I was blizz I would scrap the allocation of points and you just select "prot" or "ret" and be done with this pretending to customise your character.

Still, I am also levelling a few toons in TBC which is still great fun.

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Originally Posted by thefunk

I'm still not over the "max 3 quests at a time" bullshit. Also why have talent trees which are so restrictive? If I was blizz I would scrap the allocation of points and you just select "prot" or "ret" and be done with this pretending to customise your character.

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I actually like the talent trees a lot. Putting a few points in another tree or talent can make a massive difference.

For example on the frost dk. You can spec into a 1 minute strangulate combined with easier runic power generation, or you can spec into improved diseases with desecration, with or without rime. The way you play the spec is quite different.

Same goes for elemental shamans. You spec into instant ghostwolf or you skip it and take some resto talents which give you very decent defensive abilities? Those are quite important choices the current talent tree offers.