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Any suggestion? I had frogs until I changed to fire spiders because I picked up a soj with fire damage on it. It's hard to tell who's doing what tbh :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ellay
I also got the feeling i changed the wizards flame blades to shock pulse living lightning - because I have so much lightning damage ++ - I think i'll change conflagration to %stun too
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Originally Posted by Ellay
Dude I felt the same way about the WD, I've got every class to 70 and I just wasn't feeling the WD.
I'm rather fond of zombie charger/explosive beast.
I dunno, the other is only really there as a generator for me; I think my WD was using firebomb. Seems like it would be kind of wasteful of spirit to keep exploding fist on right click.
BTW Ellay, when you worked Exploding Fist into your thing, did you just stick it on your spam button, or did you work it into a rotation of some sort? Just curious.
Also, on your Wizard, seems like mixing in more elements would make the benefit from EE bigger. Right now it looks like you have Arcane and Fiire; though shock pulse would make that 3; and your weapon might be a 4th.
MBing is so fun because it can present so many unique builds because of it, I am enjoying my barbs and wizards but I cannot decide on a spec for them yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K708droPK5I
Here's a quick vid showing some of the gameplay of this mixed team :D mostly mouse buttons on trash then skill spam on elites.
Damn, that looks pretty fun. Thanks for posting the video!Quote:
Originally Posted by dancook
My Wizard has a lot of lightning damage - it's a hard one to decide :D I'll check it overQuote:
Originally Posted by Ishar
I have it set to use the skill for 1 second then blank for 9, and reset. It seems to work pretty well without having to think about applying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishar
I did that but it never seems to get used. At least I never see the effect. It was pretty obvious when I had it on the right click of one of the monks. It might be because of spirit issues too, my monks are mostly missing the helm.
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I am trying to convert away from the helm by using Reaper's Wraps... odd story on that one last night.
I was just destroying Malth last night on T1, working on getting the drops - so I upped it to T2, destroyed him... then I upped it to T3 and hit a brick wall. The problem though, I dropped it down to T2. Brick Wall. Dropped it down to T1, could not drop this guy for almost 50 minutes. - I wasn't tired my equipment wasn't broke, I couldn't figure it out. Finally dropped him. The next games went much smoother but I kept it at the T1 interval. My all resists are terrible, and those Crusaders look so tempting every day.
I don't like malth, lol. He is probably not a good metric for gauging a team. I have wanted wraps for two teams for awhile but dislike him and the stage that precedes him. Pandemonium lags me for some reason.
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On reflection; a Barbarian (war cry) would probably add quite a bit of survivability. Alternatively; if you could drop the cooldown reducer (or another passive) for one with everything.
To the players who are running Crusaders / Wizards / DH's, in T2 what is your rift kill speed?
I'm all about the monks due to run speed but other classes have "some" run speed options.
I guess my dilemma is monks aren't top tier for damage output, and if you want that some movement has to be sacrified - but is the tradeoff worth it.
Philosophically blowing through t1 is probably the fastest way to get legendary items. I am sort of planning a mixed group later. In that vein, there is a prime monk who will get first shot at set items and such. There's a lot to be said for cross class symmetry. So maybe make sense to plan the final arrangements and work backwards.
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So, Deville posted an interesting monk build over on the Isboxer.com forums. (http://isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=26378#p26378) In a tempest rush build and pretty interesting. I switched, and while I died a lot at first, I think that was largely down to failure on my part. A bit of gear rearrangement later, and it's starting to come together nicely.
Honestly, after the speediness I don't know that I can ever play another team. 55% run speed feels terribly slow. LOL. On another note; they are so quick at doing bounties on normal; super run speed + not having to stop to kill; it's madness.
On another note, maybe we should put together an index of builds and sticky it; this thread is becoming somewhat unwieldy.
Done that and not the most efficient for T1. Sure u will kill fast, but the problem with this game is movement speed. Even if u kill groups/packs in 1 second, most of the time is spent moving around from pack to pack. If u record several Normal difficulty sessions, u will notice that more than 70% of the time is spent just walking around the damn maps and not killing. That's why I switched to 4 TR monks when I need to clear something very fast. Still working on gear to do fast T1. Got everything to craft my sets for all monks, but had no time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishar
Glad you liked it :) I'm doing Act 1 normal bounties in less than 10 minutes with my 4 monks. It's a great way to get rings/gloves for all your chars, tho I wouldn't invest much time on it until 2.0.5 since they are going to buff bounties. For some reason I can't get the damn ring on my forth monk no matter what. I'll have to wait for the buff so Torment bounties are worth anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishar
I would say 800k sheet dps wtih 40% fire damage (50%CC / 300%+ CD) is enough to clear T1 rifts/bounties with that setup. A good Maximus roll with 2 piece Sunwuko could be a great setup to faceroll T1 but I don't like to make multiboxing builds that rely on set items since it can be very hard to get those sets for all 4 chars. Maybe have that on 1-2 monks and have those run Conviction/Retaliation since they will have less spirit issues.
Problem with this build is that I don't think it will ever scale enough to get higher than T2-T3. Even if you manage to hit 1m sheet DPS with BiS for each monk, I dont think u can do enough damage to scale to T3+. Unless Blizzard acknowledges that monks suck at higher Torments and give us OP sets like WDs and Barbs have, I dont see it happening even with RNG Jesus at your side.
If u want T6 fast farming, I'll rather go with Wizards with Wand of Woh and Explosion Blast + Wave of Force build. Fire or Arcane. But that build is extremely hard to get all parts for even 1 char. Wand of Woh is very rare, also Hexing Pants of Mr Yan. But if u are super lucky and manage to get all items for 4 Wizards, that's prolly the fastest build for multiboxing T6 right now. That or 4 WDs with 6 piece Jade sets, but those are even harder to get :D
I really wanna try Crusaders. I see a lot of potential there, but need to do a lot of testing first.
Just added Witch Doctors in the mix as I'd like to aspire to higher Torments and the monks just aren't scaling well as Devile mentioned. They do amazing for T1 or 2.
Pet Doctor which is what I am using right now.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculato...QP!VRWh!abaabb
The skills are a little mixed but that is the basics. Only use Garg and do not use Zombie Dogs, they hit for minimal damage while the Fetishes do insane damage, and all the dogs end up doing is blocking them. With 4 Gargs out, it's more than enough tanking to avoid mobs, and let the little guys run around and do their thing.
This build should be extremely powerful once a 4 piece Zunimassa set is obtained. Additionally Mask of Jeram and Task and Theo gloves really help with the DPS.
Currently running it right now and I churn through Torment 1 like butter. Torment 2, getting my gear up for it. When I get the Zuni set bonus though it should be able to jump to Torment 3-4~ easily if not higher.
Side note, it is also a fun build. I love seeing the damage numbers pop up on the screen. When you have 8+ fetishes all hitting for 2-7 mil (they'll hit much harder with better gear. I've read 12-20 mil) it is comical the speed at which stuff dies.
The additional nice thing about WD's, read on a Isboxer thread - they have multiple options if you want to switch it up. Which is where the Jade Harvester set comes into play, it takes 5-6 pieces to get the set bonus but then you're able to hit for 250 mil every 10 seconds.
For a Pet build, I rather use this:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculato...TQ!TYVW!babYcb
I use Rain of Toads because of the high proc rate which is great for Thunderfury and other legendary weapons that proc, as well as LoH. I don't care about the poison damage at all since pets do everything. Dogs are great if u have Uhkapian Serpent, not because of the damage but because of the damage reduction they provide is insane. Even if u play "safe" far from the fights, just a simple jailer in T5-T6 can easily kill u, not to mention Frozen.
As for Gargantuan, Wrathful Protector or nothing. 1-2 of those big guys with 2 stacks of BBV can kill even T5 Rift Guardians very fast. With the high proc rate of Rain of Toads, I have an army of Fetishes in seconds. Having Fetish Army on top of Fetish Sycophants is overkill for a multiboxer IMO. Solo makes sense, but when u have like 20+ of those little guys spamming 5-10M, I see no point on have FA too. Specially if u already have Mask of Jeram and Tasker and Theo combo. I run my main with Harrington Waistguard and those little guys can crit for 20M+ and since 70% of maps have corpses, weapon racks, chests, etc. I have an almost permanent 100%+ damage boost. If there are no chests, legacy Witching Hour it is.
I round robin Piranhas and Mass Confusion so I have 30% damage debuff (with Strongarms) and 20% damage (Paranoia) all fights. BBV also in round robin of 2 groups (Slam Dance + Ghost Trance). Since I run with Things of the Deep, I use Grave Injustice and Gruesome Feast for CDR and damage boost. Gargantuan is also in roundrobin since 4 at the same time are total overkill, not to mention their AI is completely broken and a lot of times they do nothing. If needed, I can summon more depending on the pack.
With this setup I can do T3 really easy and T4 decent. Don't really like full Zuni set. I rather use my slots on sets that give me far more benefits than Fetishes that "stay alive", not to mention loosing 1 skill in my bar for Fetish Army and even worse 1 passive to just reduce it's cooldown. I prefer skills that I can use over and over during fights. With Grave Injustice and have those skills in roundrobin, I have my debuffs always at hand. There's rarely a fight where I don't have Piranha, Paranoia and Wrathful Protector available. For difficult packs, BBV (both runes) and Fetishes/Gargantuan will do ridiculous damage.
And finally Spirit Walk to move faster and save time, not to mention escape of those tricky situations. With Grave Injustice, I can pretty much spam this. The synergy with TotD is perfect and helps me have my debuffs available all the time. Same with Gruesome Feast.
Scaling damage is too hard since u will hit a cap very fast. Most armor slots have 500 max INT, few items have 750 max INT. To go over 1.2M dps unbuffed will require to get perfect rolls everywhere and that's not gonna happen any time soon. Maximizing debuffs and using synergies between items and skills is a must if u wanna scale in Torment, without Jade. Sure Jade is nice and all, but its hard to get all pieces and trust me, if other classes don't get buffed soon, whiners will make Blizzard NERF Jade to the ground. I rather rely on synergies than on a single set to get higher damage. Watch Earthquake set and Fire Barbs. They are doing T6 like nothing ... I'm pretty sure the nerf hammer will hit them soon.
Instead of Zuni, I rather go with Aughild's or even Asheara's + other set(s) that give far more damage/survivablity.
If someone wants to try a stupidly easy and safe 4x wizard build, try this:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculato...YO!dWRS!cYZccZ
With enough toughness, u can even do T6. If u dont have high dps, it will be very slow, but completely doable. It's a stunlock build and because of the Illusionist passive u can spam bubbles all over the place. If u roundrobin blackhole and Frost Nova, u can keep everything frozen/stunned, even elites. I usually have Blackhole in roundrobin with 2 groups, each with 2 runes (Supermassive + Even horizon or Spellsteal). Paired with Strongarms, its a very strong combo. Also roundroubin of Frost Nova for 33% debuff + 10% of cold blooded. Not to mention your Duplicates also spam Black Holes and Frost Novas (tho they don't add the debuff effects, just CC).
Its just a matter of playing with passives for more damage/survivability and some skills. No need for someone to tank when u have everything stunned frozen :D This with a nice Tal's set and u can clear everything safe and fast. Add a Thunderfury with Fire Damage and Frozen Armor to proc the 20% debuff from Elemental Exposure + all 4 meteor types from Tal's set will rain from the sky.
Keep in mind FPS can be an issue if u don't have decent hardware.
So many things to try; so little time.
I'm going to stick with the Monks for a little longer; maybe Blizzard will buff them, or something. If nothing else, they can be my go-to bounty farming group. (I believe the stats on cache dropped items are set by the class that opens them rather than the class that did the bounties; though level is definitely set in stone at the time the cache is received. I vaguely remember remember testing this, and thus the belief, but I could be wrong.) Maybe after I finish kitting them out in aughilds/borns/captains I'll get bored. Mostly I'm missing the plans, and the rings of grandeur. (I'm totally willing to have one bad ring to make future set combinations viable.)
Witchdoctor's look pretty tempting. Though I'd like to avoid the itemization thing. I'm a dabbler, ultimately, and it's pretty unlikely I'll complete a single anything let alone 4. That's probably pretty typical though. Still, I suppose I should focus on one team if only to grind out the really useful paragon points. I wonder what the quickest team to gear up to being able to handle high torment would be, without relying on rare drops. (e.g. crafted things). Might be worth revisiting my wizzies.
I've ran into the FPS thing a few times already. My 7970 gets to max utilization and things start stuttering. Probably time to revisit SLI. I have a couple of Kraken G10's (impulse buy) that are waiting for a use. That's a whole nother discussion, though.
Not using SLI, runs smooth here. Nothing too crazy I don't think.
I think Wizards or Crusaders are the easiest to do higher torments with, although you run into kill speed issues with certain types of setups.
I re-made my WD build a bit after the advice given here and Grave Injustice is a pretty staple ability - especially on lower torments. Possibly with damage scaling it may improve but hot dog Jaunt is always up, and I spam the Gargs whenever they are up, so it still feels like they are active most of the time but now they do crazy damage.
Could not drop the Fetish Army though, using rain of toads - it just doesn't spawn enough little guys compared to the 8 you can summon on command - one of my characters uses a carnevil and all those poison darts turn into some pretty fast damage.
I ticked it up to Torment 2 and my clear speed felt the same, with slightly more gear I am going to push it further. Hoping they roll out that patch soon to make the higher torments more worthwhile.
Whats your attack speed? I have around 2 in all my chars. That creates a decent army in just a few seconds. If u have Carnevil, thats great. It's a very solid build that scales amazing since you can stack just poison and FA damage and do high damage. That's in my TODO list, but sadly I've been VERY unlucky with Zuni pieces. I think I've got just one and it was the helm :/ Been luckier with Jade than Zuni.
I think my atk speed is around 1.7, it's odd to start stacking it because most classes want CC and CHD first.
with a Carnevil though splinters is needed instead and not sure what the proc rate is on that.
Additionally if you go the poison route, use FA headhunters as it takes your Poison % into account, same goes for Tiki Torchers if you stack fire. It makes them all that damage type instead of just the additional ones that pop out.
(This is from what I have read at least)
I tried this, spammed mirror images on CD and it just made my Wizards move further and further apart so they weren't attacking the same target. Do you have a different tactic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Devile
Each duplicate casts 1 bubble and u get 4 on each char. With 4x wizards, that means 16 bubbles that will stun a white mob for 3 secs and elites for prolly a little less than 1 sec. If u take 15% damage, Illusionist will proc and reset Mirror Images cooldown. Granted, not all chars will get hit at the same time so only some will have Mirror Image available and desync a little bit after each cast but u shouldn't be spamming mirror images. Just use it enough times to stun your target so u can kill it safe.
Also, roundroubin Blackhole and Novas will make u keep thing in place without the need of spamming Mirror Images to the point of having your chars spread all over the screen. If u are not able to kill things with just a couple Mirror Images casts and using all your other CC skills, then u prolly should go down a difficulty.
My wizards churn through t1 easy, spamming a rift warden is when I had big sync issues due to health pool. Besides wasn't the build suggested for slowly but surely t6, I have 600k+ damage average each wiz.
I will try without spamming mirrors
Sure u can do T6 with enough toughness and low dps but it will take forever and u need to manage the desync problems of using mirror images too many times, specially if u are not fully using the rest of CC skills in roundrobin like I said. Desyncing is something multiboxers have to live with and there are many ways to easily deal with it. From different keymaps to using the objects in the map to help u resync. I never stated this was a spam 1 skill and clear T6 build. U will be able to easily scale up difficulty levels but u need to balance whats more efficient in terms of farming speed.
Once again, Blackhole and Frostnova in round robin are key to this build. If u don't do that, then your only CC source will be Mirror Images, which can lead to the need of spamming it. U can even switch to Cold Snap rune for Frost Nova so the cooldown is 7.5, which means that with 4x wizards, u can have permafreeze. And that can be casted while moving without Arcane cost. U can even setup a simple macro keyboard (mouse/keyboard drivers usually have this and its legal) so it's casted every 1.875 in the party. Rift Guardians can be tough but even them will easily die with this amount of CC.
Awesome build man, I just switched to it about an hour ago I'm still in my early 40's with the team, but the build is awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheShox
Has anyone tried 4 barbs? Fire-Barbs seem to be very strong.
One quick update on the monks TR build. I'm using Blinding Flash now since Epiphany snapshots the 29% damage for the whole duration of the skill, which is great.
I don't want to spoil anyone's fun but let's try to get info and status on different builds split into their own threads. e.g. "[BUILD] My TR monks" etc. This thread is quite long :)
http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/5...ilds-ReferenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Lax
Yes I am aware that someone made an index, but if the index points back to the middle of this thread what is someone going to do when they want to discuss that particular build, besides respond to this thread filled with discussion on other builds too? Not to mention pre-expansion mixed with post-expansion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ualaa
This is why we have a Diablo 3 forum and not just a Diablo 3 thread. ;)
I like the idea of spinning things off into individual threads around different compositions. I will update the reference as things go along. Another problem with the reference is tracking down build changes and such and linking them in a way that makes sense without simply mirroring the content.
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