EOTS shows wins and losses as only losses. You could be 100-0 or 50-50 and it would still show 0-100. Its been bugged for a while now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam DeathWalker
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EOTS shows wins and losses as only losses. You could be 100-0 or 50-50 and it would still show 0-100. Its been bugged for a while now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam DeathWalker
I was wondering why he would keep playing after the first 10 or 20 loss ....
being to trigger happy with this will get you a 3 hr ban, its only a matter of time before bliz sorts this out.Quote:
Fight fire with fire. I am going to spam afk every single person in a bg. Gonna macro that shit into my dps key bindings.
It was really just a sarcastic statement by me, personally I rarely play randoms bgs.Quote:
Originally Posted by tundra622
Umm am I the only one here or am i just oblivious, but wouldnt it just make sense that he queues against himself?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam DeathWalker
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...d-facepalm.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by djensen2010
Now now Mirai I missed fat tires post. Somebody drink too much Haterade today? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by MiRai
Got swept up in this, Got the email at 8am even though i hadnt played since lastnight. Got a three hour suspension. Guess it just takes awhile to process?
Shit sucks. Hope some good comes of it.
Unless I misread your post, it seemed as if you were suggesting that Prepared should queue against himself to win-trade. Seeing as this is against Blizzard's ToS I gave it a facepalm.Quote:
Originally Posted by djensen2010
SUcks man. One of our guys got the suspension too so we just stuck to Wpvp until they figure something out. I got a reply from a Gm when i asked why multiboxers are getting banned and he said "Multiboxing is perfectly legal." So I think its just bot reporting system and were in the cross fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronburgundy
And Mirai i meant it more like i was assuming thats what he was doing.
My Ticket:
Their response:Quote:
I recieved a 3 hours suspension this morning for Non Participartion in Battlegrounds. I multibox so players who do not agree with my play style do sometimes report me in BG's, but I always participate in battlegrounds that I join. I actively try and accomplish objectives and engame in PvP Comabt.
I want to know how i could be flagged for inactivity when i cleary, and they logs will show, participate in battlegrounds that i join.
Please advise with specifics and not a generic copy paste.
Thx
Hi there,
Thank you for contacting us concerning the recent action taken against the World of Warcraft account **********. While we understand your concerns regarding the status of this account, we take matters involving the integrity of the game environment very seriously. This being said, we've overturned the action, and you should be able to access the game again immediately.
Please take a few moments to look over the World of Warcraft Terms of Use (http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/wow_tou.html), which all players agree to upon initially logging into the game. The Terms of Use state that you will not "...modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Game Client or the Service in any way not expressly authorized by Blizzard" or "...use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the World of Warcraft experience..." This also includes action against any behavior that Blizzard considers outside the spirit of World of Warcraft.
While we do not consider logging into multiple clients a violation of our Terms of Use, we do consider it a violation to employ automation software or hacks, as detailed above. Please review our in-game penalties policy (http://us.blizzard.com/support/article/20221) for more information on account actions. We apologize for any confusion this action may have caused, and appreciate your understanding.
Thank you again for your continued correspondence in regards to your account and for respecting our position.
Regards,
Account & Technical Services Rep Terrilan
Customer Services
Blizzard Entertainment
So, They removed the three hour ban, which had already expired. And prettymuch just told me that Multiboxing is OK. Not sure why he took the time to point out that Automation, and Modifying game files is against the EULA (likes it needs to be said), but i suppose this was a acceptable response to my ticket. At least it was in a timely manner.
Looks like they are atelast aware that were getting caught in the crossfire, and are trying to mitigate the damage. Im sure accounting doesnt want us all rage quiting.
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Originally Posted by Void
a few players in the guild i am ingot hit by it single boxing. so its not just targeting us. though av let to see anything on the wow forums about it, a few was taking about it in trade most players don't even care is 3 hours!
@Ronburgundy ya more or less that put in my tickets and what they said on the phone as well (though it took 3 times to get in touch with someone) maybe because i said i need to close my alt accounts as i can not do pvp and the i wont let me because the AP is still on some off them even though am getting nothing from it as the mount is BoB now.
Well i am not sure whether they changed policy or not in specifics when it comes to multiboxing.
This in fact is a little scary.. The other day when i spoke with account support with a guy called Steve who also work as a gamemaster, told me that:
"Multiboxing is allowed, such as running several copies of the game - But automation such as some of the programs offer by sending a key to each and every window while not having to actually use that window is not allowed. That's when it becomes automation."
So i asked, well then, if multiboxing is allowed but not programs like isboxer, keyclone etc.. Then it's not really multiboxing is it?
Maybe i got the wrong idea of what multiboxing actually is but opening 2 windows to trade with yourself i.e is not what i refer to as boxing.
I tried to argue with him saying that i, a person, still have to sit and press the keys on my mainwindow for the other clients to do anything - They won't do anything at all unless i "tell them to".
But he didn't change his mind, it was, according to him something you could get banned for - Usually 3 hour only however since it is considered a "minor" offense, but repeatedly it may permanently close your account.
Regardless of how it is, i find it hilarious that they expect you to run i.e 10 clients and open #1 click a spell, open #2 click a spell, open #3 click a spell, open #4 click a spell, open #5 click a spell etc. and that it would otherwise be automation on window #2 - #9..
"Steve" needs to review what previous Blues have defined and current Blues defend as multiboxing. As I already posted, if they change the rules of multiboxing, they will let us know.
I wonder though, is there actually a blue post saying that using programs like isboxer is fine? I've seen blue posts saying multiboxing is allowed but nothing about the programs sending the keystrokes to the other clients?Quote:
Originally Posted by Khatovar
And if Blizzards definition of multiboxing is simply to run multiple clients but only control 1 at a time.. :-/
I read through the blue posts in the link and what I see is that its fine, are you seeing something different?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyphoner
Blizzard will not give an official approval to any program, as any program can change at any given time. I'd suggest you read the Blue Posts I linked, it is very clear on what is and is not allowed - including passing keys to other clients.
Nothing except that most of the statements are from the stoneage, but i saw there was a "recent" one on page three, so no problem here, you? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnGabriel
That would be because they haven't changed their stance since then and they have confirmed that as recently as last week.
I have that macro if you want it, but I'm pretty sure it is against the rules to use it so I would advise against it. I certainly haven't used it since being told it was not allowed about 4 years ago (back when the first big wave of bots started).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Tire
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Originally Posted by valkry
Yes, filing false reports is a violation and can get you actioned.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...0109?page=2#24
Petition entered on 12/11 @11pm. Currently 12/15-10:30 am and no response to my ticket. Nice of them to completely forget about my ticket. At least they un banned the other boxers. Totally unfair.
They didn't change their policy, and if they did, it wouldn't be a "secret". We would all know about it through a public announcement or a sticky in the forums. GMs don't have all of the answers and they can have a difficult time interpreting Blizzard policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyphoner
As it's already been stated, Blizzard isn't going to specify software that's legal for multiboxing because they have no control over it. If later today they said that Software-X was completely legit for multiboxing World of Warcraft, and tomorrow Software-X decided to add automatic delays to its features (which would be against Blizzard policy), then what does Blizzard do? Make a brand new announcement less than 24 hours later that they were wrong about Software-X and that people should stop using it immediately?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyphoner
What if people only saw the first announcement, but not the second? Are they then at fault? If Blizzard began banning accounts that were using Software-X, how could someone prove that they hadn't seen the second announcement?
Blizzard can't police all the third-party software that's out there to make sure that it's "World of Warcraft Approved!" and they certainly aren't expected to. They keep their rules vague to make things a little easier for them, but unfortunately, this then leaves them open for interpretation by any idiot on the Blizzard forum that dislikes multiboxing.
Again, as stated before, their policy hasn't changed and Blizzard isn't going to put out bi-monthly announcements stating that multiboxing is still allowed. If the policy changes, you'll know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyphoner
I'm almost positive that mass report macros were broken and the report function is now protected as of the latest patch (5.1). What that means is that it now requires a hardware event (e.g. a keypress or mouseclick from the player) and can no longer be automated through a /slash command.Quote:
Originally Posted by valkry
so from what i read blizzard doesn't want organized ppl in bgs? meaning if u queue as group u could get banned for using the stock wow feature?
It looks like, up to five players (via the Queue as Group option) is allowed.
But organization beyond that level is against their current policy, at least in regards to normal battlegrounds.
However, active boxers are being reported as AFK (we surmise), and the new system is handing out 3 hour suspensions quite commonly.
Hopefully, in the near future the system is fixed and only bots are suspended.
If you get suspended a few times and continue to break the rules, the suspensions (if legit) would become longer and eventually lead to a ban.
I'm sure there are things you could do, to be banned immediately rather than go through escalation of suspension times.
After reading the blues that posted on Void's customer support post on the forums it could be that they are just back logged from hell from their unsuccessful recently updated automated 3 hour ban system. Hopefully they get it fine tuned and squared away soon for all you folks.
I really don't think this is a move against boxers or a rash of peeps reporting which leads to bans. If others are going to take anecdotal evidence as gospel, I'll add my own experience. Ran random BGs and queue hopped (used a 5th to find out which random popped) for at least 30 hours this week and never had an issue.
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Originally Posted by MiRai
This is correct. As of 5.1, you can no longer call the report AFK function from any script or addon. oQ had a feature that allowed the group leader to report bots and others (players who actively worked against the group's objective) AFK.
If you had an oQ raid of 20 people, it would send a message to all the oQ raid members and would synchronously cause the entire oQ raid to report that person AFK. With 20 reports hitting at once, it would almost always cause them to get instant booted. This was extremely useful to remove bots and non-cooperative players (people who mindless capped the flag repeatedly when told not too, who were mostly likely bots).
Before this feature was added, we typically did a count-down method AFK report. This works, but wasn't effective as you had to start what you were doing focus on the countdown.
I'm guessing Blizzard did not like PVP raid leaders having this much power over non-players and protected this function. Regardless, the old count-down method still works just fine.
So finally got a response after all my bickering. Its now time for me to go back to work so I wont get to try it out for another week. Maybe a glimmer of hope exists.
Hey there,
Thank you for your concerns about these recent account actions on your World of Warcraft accounts.
We took special care to fully investigate your situation, and have determined that the actions resulted in error due to detecting false positive information. Our automated systems are designed to detect inactivity in Battlegrounds, and the behavior of multiple "follow" characters created by the multiboxing play style does have a chance to trigger these detections, due to their individually low contributions to the match (although the character group as a whole is quite formidable).
I've made sure these actions cease to occur in the future. If you encounter and further difficulties with this, please let us know.
Regards,
Blizzard Entertainment
http://battle.net/support
Kinda really sums up boxing there ...Quote:
due to their individually low contributions to the match (although the character group as a whole is quite formidable).
I put in a ticket to appeal the suspension as the GM didn't really have the power to do anything, will see what I get. The last part sounds promising in that they may have put a flag on your account that you're not a guy towing bots but a multiboxer and not to trigger that system.
I've now lost both a follower and a main in the middle of battlegrounds so I don't think it's simply being on follow that could trigger it... probably a bunch of conditions. Both times I was actually in the middle of combat. Both times (and my characters are fully geared) I was a high or top contributor in something (dps or healing) so I was definitely active. Be nice to get the special flag put on my account that I'm not a bot so it doesn't automatically happen on accident again.
That would be nice, but Blizzard isn't going to do that because people who bot are just going to claim they're multiboxers, get their account(s) flagged as so, and then go back to botting and not be harassed by the automated system.Quote:
Originally Posted by heyaz
One difference between a bot and a multiboxer might be the number of accounts.
Unless the person botting is also boxing.
It would be nice if a system could be put in, that measured damage/healing/honor kills.
But also measured contribution to objectives... holding a tower, to prevent it from capping or holding a bunker to ensure it does burn... etc.
But that is hard to implement, because in AB/EotS are you a bot sitting at Stables solo or are you active and going to call in Incoming, etc?
That makes me feel better.. i know in AV my followers would go afk a lot just following me around, or if i was controlling a tower/bunker.. so i would have to jump a lot to keep them active..i hope it was a simple as that 8) Thats easy to watch and fix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Void
I assumed that there is smt with follow and ISB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Void
Nox got a ban again few minutes ago after playing 2 hours BG. (he use ISBoxer/Jamba)
I played the whole weekend BG, no ban. My follow works via AHK, i only use ISB for mousebroadcasting and window swapping.
Kruschpak plays with Octopus, and he played few BGs too these days ... no ban
But, one of guild members use ISBoxer/Jamba for follow too and he still got no ban.
Strange.
after they told me the ruling on suspensions stands i wrote them a big email. reviewed by "specialist" and got this today
Greetings,
Thank you for your follow-up contact. An additional review of the previously communicated action taken against ********* accounts on ********@*****.com has been completed. The account action has been amended.
We base all of our actions on the severity of the violation, and take previous violations into consideration. Please make sure your in continued accordance with the Terms of Use and our In-Game Policies (http://us.battle.net/support/en/arti.../article/20309), which all players acknowledge and agree to prior to participation.
We hope this has resolved any concerns you may have had. Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.
Sincerely,
Blizzard Entertainment
www.blizzard.com/support
Hopefully amended is a good thing?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/amendQuote:
Originally Posted by Invisahealz
I think the reason for the automatic ban is Jamba auto-follow strobing.
I have been playing now a few hours without Jamba auto-follow strobing and still got no ban.
nerver used auto-follow strobing and my caster dps friend never used it before both of us got added in the wave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noxdiebox
they could off fixed it? though i think it was that random patch we had 5.1.0A they probs can not a easy fix unless they can add something to our accounts to stop it going off. (they would never say this to us.)
all i know is i been doing av standing in towers my clones going AFK and i have been reported by some "kid" and still not more bans. (or though i did set my role and i talk in BG/Guild/party a lot)
All toons on everyone's team probably use the same addons and settings, and since some members get banned but others not, then its hard to see it as likely to be one single thing that is auto-banning people. Blizzard is sure to use a very complex formula containing much data we probably dont even know exists.