No, that's the next villain.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinotnoir
Lich King -> Deathwing -> Strawberry Short cake
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No, that's the next villain.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinotnoir
Lich King -> Deathwing -> Strawberry Short cake
@Pinot:
Agree. I love Kung Fu Panda. I have three children. They love it. As a family, we love it. That being said, it doesn't belong in World of Warcraft.
I think this is just a marketing ploy. They've seen the dropping subscriptions after the initial Cata launch and see the writing on the wall; There's serious competition out there and on the way so they're zeroing in on a demographic: 10 year old kids.
Evidence? I point you to A) Pandas, B) simplifying the game, C) Pokemon in game and D) Pandas.
cake or death?
I like the expansion, something different, as long as its fun to play who cares?
In any case there are probably quite a few players that don't read quest text. So lore isn't important to them.
Snap - this pre-teen expansion of Kung Fu Panda and Pokemon pets is a shark-jump too far for me :(Quote:
Originally Posted by pinotnoir
My guess is that this is the way a lot of people felt. Blizzard has been moving away from the classic MMORPG crowd and more towards casual players since (IMO) mid-BC. They've gone back and forth on it, but I think they finally decided that they'll ride WOW down to the end of its life by catering to the less hardcore crowd. Next expansion, they will allow you to earn JP and VP via solo content, and they said they want people to be able to progress (gear-wise) regardless of what they are doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz
I think they realize that they have gotten more out of WOW than they ever thought possible, and now they can pretty much ride the wave the rest of the way. Even if the subscriber numbers continue to dip, I am thinking that 2012 will be a huge year for them, mostly driven by D3 but also by MoP. Lots of dedicated players and old-schoolers will hate what WOW is becoming, but they're no longer the target audience, is my belief.
I agree with Tonuss completely.
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You did not mention a world PvP zone for MoP, maybe that could be the World PvP area for MoP?
I hope that means more than another tol baradQuote:
The war between the Horde and Alliance will really heat up in Pandaria every patch, so we are looking forward to integrating that.
I must have been watching something else with all the people QQing about this next expansion. Toning it down? Making things easier? I'm sorry where exactly did they say this? Revamping the talent system that actually GIVES us choice instead of the cookie cutter builds we basically were forced to use to be competitive? No flying from 85-90 in the new zone, requiring us to actually go through mobs and players instead of just lolflyingmountdropkillflyingmount?
Adding a new race like the Pandarens creates a great deal of wonderful art and change of scenery from all the dark and drab content we've had to do for the last 2 expansions? Adding a new class that will add greater play styles and new fresh options?
And hardcore raiders will still be hardcore raiders. I don't see where this is changing.
Everything else they are adding is completely optional. You don't have to do battle pets or scenarios, but it gives something else for people to do that need a break from raiding, or questing, or crafting. I don't see a problem with that.
I kind of agree. More is better. As long as they don't take away from anything, I'm excited for the next expac.
The next MMO that steals me away will most likely do so with either really really innovative gameplay or super duper environmental graphics.
I'm mostly hoping Guild Wars 2 will do this for me one day, but I think I'll always come back to Blizz IP stuff eitehr way.
Survive? We're talking 5 x bears here with enough burst to pop someone every minute. Just seems to be a fairly powerful move for a class that otherwise has very good survivability and self healing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Multibocks
The other class combo that looks interesting is 5 x shadowpriests again. The redesign of vamp embrace x 5 (15% of damage done smart healing 3 targets) looks to be nice healing for a high damage group.
Oh, I didn't realise it was the massive hp which made you feel powerful, I thought it was being able to drop old school raid bosses in about 20 seconds which did that. Yea, our stats will go down, but so will theirs, it will be just less of a scale. As it is the only old school raid so far which is even a little hard is ICC 25 heroic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Multibocks
I'm all for this change, the stat boosts were just silly. I will enjoy seeing a few lower lvls not just get curb stomped by a higher lvl ganker.
Source? try reading what you quoted before... from that blue post... "It’s all relative, of course -- enemies’ and bosses’ stats will be reduced as well"Quote:
Originally Posted by Multibocks
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Originally Posted by Multibocks
There is also the part where they write " However, this also means the difference between each level between 1 and 85 will be less significant, so you may find that an enemy 5 or 10 levels below your own will be a little tougher to deal with than it was before." Some old school raids may require more effort to clear, but right now many of the level 60 and 70 raids are trivial even for two or three characters. It might mean that you'll need to get to level 90 to clear the level 80 stuff next time around.
^^^ that
Proposed Pandaren Mount
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Gotta admit - this sounds like a sell out move. I mean seriously, lol. Kung Fu Panda...
Quit WOW at the beginning of Cata and just been jacking around in Rift until SWTOR. Had been thinking about going back to WOW and things but this just killed it. WOW has lost its hard core edge for sure.
Nothing against WOW, I'm no WOW basher. Loved the game for years - just don't like where it is now for me personally. I'll be in outer space getting Wookie nookie anyway!
Lets forget about Pandas for a minute. MONKS!! Gnome MONKS!!! MONKS!!! I think MoP will be the best expansion yet! I can understand the perception that Kung FU pandas bring to some of you as being " Care Bear" or less "hard core" But everything about this expansion is going to be good for the game.. the pet leveling thing is OPTIONAL! And I think it will be a fun side distraction. The new talent system looks amazing! At least on paper. I cant wait to try it out..and did I say MONKS!?!!
We can have walking and talking cows, but Pandas are too much? Nice
It's a game with not one, but of 2 flavors of elves, exploding sheep and quests where we dig through poop. Not to mention so many pop culture references that it could make your head explode and Tauren have been a playable race since the beginning.
I'm just not seeing how Pandas are that far off the mark for the game.
Especially given WoW created "Kung Fu" Panda's in 2002, way before the movies came out, and previous to this nearly every time an xpac was rumoured people on the forums were clamouring for Panderian's to be the alliance race.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khatovar
I'll be definately multiboxing monks! I really loved my DKs after playing shamans day in day out. I tried other melee classes like druids and paladins but they weren't as much fun as i had with my DKs. I really hope monks will be the new class to play in the next expension.
Tauren are Blizzard's version of Minotaurs which are a high fantasy trope and have been since it's inception. The Minotaur predates most other fantasy figures.
Humanoid Pandas that are affable and like to get drunk and do Street Fighter 2 Ryu Whirlwind Kicks for their AE dps? Sorry, it's obvious panda-ering to Blizzard's new target demographic. For me, it *is* too much. It's childish. It's something a 10 year old appreciates. Most of the other in-jokes and such in the game wouldn't be and aren't as appreciated by kids that young because they don't grasp many of those references.
Again, Blizzard came out with the Pandaren brewmaster in WC3 in 2002 and people have been wanting them to be playable since TBC (when they actually were going to be introduced rather than the Drainpipes) so I don't see how it's them just now pandering to some target demographic that weren't even around when they first created and introduced the race and class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mosg2
To each their own, and if people don't like it then fine but don't try to pass it off as some new thinkg Blizz have only just created.
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Originally Posted by Mosg2
rofl
...and you're planning on playing star wars. A twelve year olds wet dream.
No one will make me believe that panadas are more childish than star wars.
Get a grip. Its a video game.
Maybe you never played KOTOR, I dunno. Sure there's some childish elements - Ewoks and all that Jar Jar BS. Really though that's main stream SW. KOTOR is definetly more adult oriented with betryayal, love, and murder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Tire
I dunno man I just feel Kung Fu Panda is too much for me. Hated the movies. I know... I know... Pandarens have been mentioned since way before Kung Fu Panda, but still. Not like I am totally against kid stuff- I do enjoy a good cartoon every once in a while obviously.
WOW meant to me the ugly horde (the face of evil) vs the alliance (goody goody good guys). Sure Blood Elves broke the mold some but they weren't furry animals tied in with cuteness and an entire Asian culture. When I see a panda I think cuteness and fuzzy wuzzy. Just don't see how I cann break my mental image of what I think of pandas. Just WOW catering to the $$$ imho at the sacrifice of their main story.
WOW lore is so deep. Surely you can admit they could have thought of something better. New hero classes, naga races, and other things that have been mentioned. Going back in time to the Emerald Dream/Nightmare was something I'd hoped for.
Now I'm no Star Wars freakazoid but it does have a deep meaning to me. I remember being 7 years old and walking into a movie theater with no idea what was showing (Original SW 1976). Then my eyes transfixed on a 2 hour journey into space with great villains (Darth Vader) and great heroes. Sure the SW title has ben bastardized for years with the last 3 movies sucking shit.
Bioware aren't really furry lovers or into Ewoks. That's why the entire KOTOR story takes place thousands of years before Darth Vader etc... Not really anything childish I can think of in KOTOR. SW sure but not KOTOR.
Will SWTOR fail- who knows. But it hasn't failed yet and has millions of fans. Neither Blizz nor Bioware pay me- so why should I give a rats ass :)
Not to mention the Pokemon game Blizzard is throwing into MoP. Just seems to be catering to a younger and youger audience.
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Originally Posted by Fat Tire
I go to agree with Mosg.
Im sure everyone has their own opinion as reality is a personal perception based upon expierences.
Heres my opinion...
The pandas are stupid. I knew Blizzard was loosing it when they introduced squid humanoids from space. Fanboi or not, its stupid. My 11 yr old thinks its cool, and started reciting Kunfu-Panda movie... nuff said.
Reading through all the posts in this thread, of recent.. seems to have a general theme. Nah. I was ok with the funny of the cows, the squid annoyed me to no end.. goblins were really dumb, pandas... lol. At some point I gotta draw a line. Whats next? the giant avatar version of Braun from WCIII DOTA? mermaids? got em. Zombies? got em. space aliens? got em. warewolf from Twilight movies? got em. ... uh.. uh... uh... dragons!? got em.... uhhhhhhhhhhh (grabing at straws......) cartoon talking animals? ...BAM! got em.... oh I know! The Peanut-butter Jelly time dancing banana!!! WIN!
Ive said this many times, so Im not going to soap box again. Frankly im tired of that too. Blizz rolls out a new exp or large patch every time a new MMO comes out to counter sales, and attempt to keep subscribers. They're slowly loosing subs. Check the trends. The game is done. Its just a pathetic ploy. Old lore, too many carrots on a stick.
Im done too.
And yes, Im going to go play another MMO. why? because I want to. WoW was done when the Arthas died.
Now its just one big fat tauren, and theyre milkin it.
That being said. Ive vowed to liquidate evey toon, and give my gold to the first random dude I see, and delete every toon. Never going back. Am I quitting because Im citing its childish? heh, heavens no, ALL video games are a bit childish. I just dont like it anymore. Its stupid.
This is supposed to be about the MoP expansion, not a debate about Star Wars vs. WoW.
And I'd rather not see this turn into 40 pages of Pro/con-Panda, there's a lot of other things to discuss about the expansion and it doesn't need to get lost in bickering.
I'm not sure why everyone seems to be comparing Pandarens to Kung Fu Panda. It very much depends on how they pull off the character, Warcraft 3 pandas were bad ass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=028qkDLiyp4) while the former tend to be in the comedy relief category.
Most of us play without sound anyway so I guess which ever way the character is voiced you hear what you want to hear within your head and what you want to imagine.
I'll almost certainly try the expansion, it looks like it will cater to someone like me. These days I fit my WOW time into a pretty random and unpredictable schedule, so it's almost always solo play, whether one character or five. Being able to continue to gear them up with normal non-instanced content is a nice addition. Some of the other stuff looks interesting too, like the instanced PVE scenarios that can accomodate as few as three players.
I'll also try the new SW-related MMORPG because my friends (who have all pretty much stopped playing WOW) are going to play it and MMORPGs have always been much more fun for me when I'm playing with them. Whether we stay with it depends on how good or bad it is. I hope it's good because there are far too few good games out there. It won't be a WOW-killer, and it doesn't need to be. It just has to be fun.
I tend to go with the flow in terms of WOW. I guess I'm not turned off by the kung fu pandas because I wasn't turned off by gnomes or tauren or all of the crazy stuff you find in WOW. I mean, the pandas definitely evoke the movie for me, and it does seem like a way to market to kids and people who want something "cute." But errrr... GNOMES. Did anyone ever look at the gnomes and think "yeah, now there's an attempt at some serious adult-themed content"? They're fucking chibis, for pete's sake.
Every now and then I get tired of WOW and stop playing for a while, anywhere from a few weeks to as long as six or seven months once. I know that at some point I'll stop playing and not come back, but I learned to stop trying to predict my "retirements" after my first one in EQ (was back in like two months). When it happens, it will happen.
I think youre right, theyre nothing alike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kekkerer
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I disagree. Someone who is twelve right now could not possibly have seen the original trilogy or the new trilogy in the theater. They may have been raised with Star Wars as a household name but by and large they certainly haven't grown up with it the way that people in their 20's-40's have. Do you know what these 12 year olds have grown up with and saw in movie theaters? Fat pandas bouncing people around with their stomachs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Tire
I have a grip. I know it's a video game. The objection I have is that Pandaren run counter to the World of Warcraft schema that I have had in my head for 7 years. They cross the line from quirky/funny/interesting/social commentary and sit square in the silly court. Anyways...
I think Monks look cool. Focusing on the Horde/Alliance tension is good. The talent trees look *amazing* for multiboxing. Story wise though, I find a mystical island a hard fit following Illidan, Arthas and then Deathwing. /shrug
On Topic:
The proposed talent changes are almost enough to make me want to keep playing. They look seriously amazing for us boxers. I'm sure lots of them are gonna' go through a lot of iterations before the expansion goes live but so far they look really good.
I guess if they can just fix the train wreck that is rated BG's they might be able to turn things around a bit.
Amen Sista!Quote:
Originally Posted by Khatovar
While I don't particularly care for the panda thing, I *am* interested in seeing how the talent and stat redesigns work out. I'm skeptical that they can pull it off with the B team without screwing things up royally but it might just end up being fun to play again.
I'm looking forward to trying out the updated systems as well. We all know that the current system provides little variance if you want to actually be competitive, copy that talent tree from EJ or AJ and go. Having actual choices that you can tailor your game play style will be nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz
Stats are stats. What can you say or do, just have to try them out and see.
I am waiting for the Gnome to announce the plane when we fly into Panda Island. Maybe Blizzard can use this for inspiration.
Isn't he already in the game? Could have sworn...Quote:
Originally Posted by pinotnoir
I can't find talk about the new talent calculator!
http://www.wowhead.com/mists-of-pand...ent-calculator
Many people, just as many opinions.
Are Panda's the best thing to come to WOW? Who knows... from what I've seen the graphics look awesome, it almost felt like a new game watching the gameplay. The model of the Panda has a lot more polygon structures than any other race and it's definately more colourful and lighter then what we've had so far. This means they move very fluently and in general look cool while doing so. They also said they would buff the other races in the same manner.
So whatever you feel regarding the lore and story... the game is still being updated to appeal to those who don't like Panda's.
So yea, I'll wait it out... see how it goes.
A group of Monks will be on the list for sure.
I wish they would update the older races models. They look like minecraft characters compared to the newer races models.