Mosg's DK Manifesto Version 2.0

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Originally Posted by dancook

It's the same as tapping a key for 4 seconds, toggling the key's action, then tapping it for 4 seconds.. etc..

I can't see anything immediately wrong with this...

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nope becouse the one in isboxer is spaming that key till it moves over

EG: you setup a round robbin to not go to next window to 2 secs in this we are spaming key 1 as the dps on robin


Charname KeyPress in wow

Char A 111111111PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
NEXT STEP!
Char B PPPPPPPPP111111111PPPPPPPPP
NEXT STEP!
Char C PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP1111111111

<< Ingame Sees no automation here MOVES ON! >>

And your setting up
Char A 1
STOP WAIT 2secs!
Char B alt+1
STOP WAIT 2secs!
Char C ctrl+1

You might get away with that Not sure though. but useing mods might work let u fall though.


NOT OK!!
Char A /cast frost nova
Wait! 2sec
CharA /cast blink
Wait 2 sec
CharA Press WspaceAAAAW


This is what blizzard call automation Many things happon under one key press,

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Originally Posted by remanz

i have my prove

http://stateofdps.com/

look at overall dps + BH boss.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/...aloth/10N/dps/

where is yours.

Fury just got a nerf. But Shadow Priest and Balance Druid are dominating.

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Sites like that prove everything and nothing. If you want the state of dps in 25m, you should look at the people who are max geared in hc 25m mode because it's a sample of the top dps, meaning that normal mode samples have a heroic and normal gear mixture. On top not too many samples for the harder bosses are available. Either way, 25m heroic shows that destruction lock & fire mage are topping the charts. Shadow priest is very strong but was very strong prior to the patch as well.

Saying that all hybrids put locks & fire mages to shame is simply not true. Ret is ok on some fights, boomkin is strong. Fury is nowhere near top since patch. Same with elemental shaman, it's one of the worst performing specs at the moment in the game. I raid ele myself, and i'm listed on several top 200 parses on worldoflogs.com for elemental, and i'm often not even in recount top 10 for a bunch of encounters after the patch (where i used to be prior to it). Yet I have one of the higher performing % in the raid (i.e. dmg you should do to be in top 200 for your spec compared to what you did). I just went through our logs, and our raid seems to be very representative for the data on all 12 bosses (though nefarian we've only done on 10 man so far).

So why I said you were wrong was not about shadow priest & boomkin not being strong, but about the others you mentioned and about your destruction lock / fire mage statements.

Anyone tried blood since the patch? Seems like more and more ppl are posting about having success as blood.

Some of it sounds very interesting. I think I'll start working on it tomorrow after I get my 5 wins.

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Originally Posted by Multibocks

Is it worth it to buy Arena weapons when you already have 346 pve weapons? I mean as your first purchase?

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Yeah I'd still definitely get the weps first. It doesn't add much to your howling blast but it helps with melee damage and frost strike and it does add resilience to a slot where you have none.

This was actually my main priority when gearing up; get as much resilience as quickly as possible. So I got my 2 piece bonus ASAP then just replaced slots where I lacked resilience.

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Originally Posted by hannibal

Anyone tried blood since the patch? Seems like more and more ppl are posting about having success as blood.

Some of it sounds very interesting. I think I'll start working on it tomorrow after I get my 5 wins.

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I've tried it out since patch and it did receive a nice damage boost. Have smashed both HoO and Lost City in my first attempts at a heroic using 4 blood equipped in 352 level PvP gear with priest healing. My first kill of Rajh actually involved missing the first interrupt, having the priest die 15s into the fight and the DKs just hammering on with self healing and downing him.

On the bosses they are finishing with 7-9k each.

I am yet to try them in arenas at this stage. Mainly due to the frosties feeling so strong still I guess. The main issue would be staying on target without the snares you get from frost and without being on target, the self healing doesn't happen. Saying that, the burst should be good... Have hit 28k death strikes and blood strikes with trinkets up in PvE situations :P

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Originally Posted by zenga

Sites like that prove everything and nothing. If you want the state of dps in 25m, you should look at the people who are max geared in hc 25m mode because it's a sample of the top dps, meaning that normal mode samples have a heroic and normal gear mixture. On top not too many samples for the harder bosses are available. Either way, 25m heroic shows that destruction lock & fire mage are topping the charts. Shadow priest is very strong but was very strong prior to the patch as well.

Saying that all hybrids put locks & fire mages to shame is simply not true. Ret is ok on some fights, boomkin is strong. Fury is nowhere near top since patch. Same with elemental shaman, it's one of the worst performing specs at the moment in the game. I raid ele myself, and i'm listed on several top 200 parses on worldoflogs.com for elemental, and i'm often not even in recount top 10 for a bunch of encounters after the patch (where i used to be prior to it). Yet I have one of the higher performing % in the raid (i.e. dmg you should do to be in top 200 for your spec compared to what you did). I just went through our logs, and our raid seems to be very representative for the data on all 12 bosses (though nefarian we've only done on 10 man so far).

So why I said you were wrong was not about shadow priest & boomkin not being strong, but about the others you mentioned and about your destruction lock / fire mage statements.

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I did said it was just single target dummy dps. Lock and mage are for cleaves and AOE. No way they top meter for single target when hunter and rogue are around. Especially mage, it is just not there.

anyway, hybrids are all getting normalized. so pures are back on top again, even for single.

I have a question regarding the first dps key, i have it working etc but it seams like my characters dont get the "IWT" command as often as i whant them to do, when they dps a target they tend to run around in a very large cricle and sometimes they run off like 10-15 yards before i can se that the IWT command gets to them and they turn around and starts to try dps the target again.

Should it just be enought with me adding more IWT into the second step or will that destroy anything?

add iwt to the second step as well, and spam your key more rapidly :)

Well i have it set as in the video, with a IWT on the end of Step 2 and one IWT in the midle of Step1.

Im comparing to when i had IWT bound to each of my dps keys (aka IWT command was send about 3-5 times a second). So i whant my dks to stay close to the target, atm they are running around from it to far very often.

If you want them to stay on target, you have two general options.

My IWT, is not a simple keybind to all toons.
It is a mapped key that sends IWT to all members of my melee group.
And then I have another mapped key with two steps to enable/disable this key.
So I can toggle my "spam" IWT on and off.

I also have IWT for all toons, on its own key.

If my spam is disabled, I can push the single IWT to everyone...
And break the movement immediately on the healer/active toon.
That will move my DK's (any toon whose movement does not break the IWT movement) towards where the target was when I pushed the key.
They won't over run the target, nor adjust to a new position if it moves.

Similarly, without a toggle, but with a "spam" set up...
You could push the key once, and wait.
Once they're in melee range, and have stopped moving.
Then you spam the shit out of the key.
And since they can hit the target where they're standing... they won't need to move towards it.
So there will be no movement, until the target moves.

For PvE, I use the second method much more so than my toggle.
For PvP, I just spam like crazy... probably spamming 2.5 presses per second on average.
I also has IWT on press only, not on release.

With PvP and the toons circling the target like crazy.
I haven't found an appreciable difference on a target dummy, when comparing DPS stationary vs DPS circling like crazy.
Either is close enough to the other.
Plus in PvP, the mob/player will likely move, and if you're not spamming you won't stay with it/him/her.

Well i tryed to set in a few extra IWT commands in my mapped spam key. Nothing changed but then i decided to not spam that fast and gues what happened. When i swaped back to the normal version and me dooing less spam, aka 2 click /second instead of 4-5 click /second (have keybind on mouse5 so can spam fast) my characters are now really close to the target all the time.

I think what was my problem was that i spamed the button TO fast so wow/isboxer whatever was the leak, crippled itself and made them not to react on every keypress.

To stop my toons from running around the target, i've got "move forward" bound to F1 on all toons. I simply press that button when i want them to stop running around.

Well i like it when my characters run around the target and since im running with 4 melee i can just pop "follow" keybind at the same time as i press the DPS keybind for like 1-2 seconds and all characters will stand still at the target that i am attacking.

If you press it once, or a few times until they start to move to the target...
And then wait, but don't spam.

Once they reach the target and are stationary, you can spam and they won't circle about the target.
Granted this is much more useful for PvE vs stationary mobs, than PvP vs mobile opponents.

Given full honor gear, what would you upgrade second with Conquest Points?

I'll be doing Conquest 2 Handers, on the DK's this week.
And the off-hand Shield on the Paladin.

At which point, they'll have full Honor gear in every slot.
No honor upgrades remain.
But Conquest upgrades, a plenty.

After that its pritty much the same upgrade/point spend. So its more if u whant for looks or have it hidden. I pref. To buy the 2200 cost things first, aka head and chest first cause they cant drop in BH. :)

What about to set another action on "IWT-Button-Release" with "do not advance to next step after [2] seconds" and then an action call your follow-button? So after you dont press your DPS-Key for 2 seconds your toons come back to you.

That actually sounds really smart, but i think im to used with the follow spam now so id prob already be spamming it before the function would work :P

I just have a key to pass keypress back to just the DK's. That way if I'm capping a flag with the priest it doesn't interrupt the cap. I also spam follow like crazy it's a habit.

I have IWT built into my DPS spam keys.
Specifically, a mapped key for IWT to the melee group, which all my DK's are in but the Healer is not.

I have another IWT key, this one with a hotkey, that goes to all toons.

And then a toggle key (which honestly isn't used nearly as much as I thought it would be).
This enables and disables the melee IWT mapped key.
So I can spam my DPS keys like crazy, and either have the melee spam IWT or the melee not receive IWT.

I have thought about a thing, im specced 3/31/7 atm on my 4x dks with 1 pt in Annihilation etc. I have the same attack setup as u Mosg2 with 2 howling blasts etc. But it hit me that i rarley use Obliterate, only time i use it is when i do my Hungering cold spam. Would it be better to swap out a howling blast in my rotation for a Obliterate or is it better to have the unholy runes only for Necrotic strike?

I have three rotations set up, but basically only use two.
They are all priority sequences.

My Obliterate is not set up at all like Mosg2's.
It is a straight priority sequence, with Hungering Cold manually controlled on its own key.
And when I spam the OBL sequence key, everyone does the single target sequence.

They function the same as Mosg2's method.
More keys for the abilities you want to fire off the most often.

HB: (On "spam 1")
HB > FS > NS > BS

OBL: (On "spam 2")
OBL > BS > FS

I have a key for Outbreak to place diseases on my target, before the Obliterate sequence, as that increases Obliterate damage.
Swarms of hordies fall to this, if they're too much for me to heal through.
If I can heal through their DPS, the HB rotation is AoE damage and will kill them faster.

Obliterate seems to hit like a truck on low armor/stunned targets.
HB seems to be better against high armor targets, the HB component might be a spell that bypasses armor?

I was just wondering if there was somewhere else I can see this, as it's not opening up for me. It just takes me to the same page. I was also curious if the builds/rotations in this and Ualaa's dk guides were current with 4.3. I just restarted my dk's and have been trying to find some good info.

Thank you all
Gears and brothers on Ysera server.

This guide was current for 4.1 content: http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=37658

I believe DK's no longer need to use Blood Strike at all, with the Blood Rune being a Death Rune all the time.
So you can effectively take the mapped keys that call Blood Strike out of the spammed set of hotkeys.
And take the spells off of the DK's bars in the game.

In a fairly recent DK video, I saw a set of DK's throwing Death Coil instead of Frost Strike.
Not sure if that was DC instead of FS, or if DC and FS are both called by the spam keys so that if they're outside of melee range, you still have a runic power dump.

I'd imagine talent spec, glyphs, enchants and gems would be the same priority.



The Mosg2 videos won't work, because they were hosted on Justin.tv, which doesn't seem to have his videos any longer.

You could try searching YouTube for them, although not sure if they'd be there.

My guide was essentially my personal setup in detail.
Which was very heavily based off of the Mosg2 video.
Negative1337's was similar, but not exactly the same; likely another interpretation of the Mosg2's guide.

Reason im using DC aswell is that its in the end of the spam key. My Dks will only cast the Deathcoil IF: I dont have any runes/not in range for melee/ if i got enough runic power.

I think it works quite good togeather with Howling when im chasing some1 for some extra preasure.

is it just me or do these videos no longer work? :(

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Originally Posted by Kris1234

is it just me or do these videos no longer work? :(

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They no longer work.

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Originally Posted by MiRai

They no longer work.

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:( In that case, does anyone have the Isboxer setup of this?

Here you go: http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/3...n-DK-Manifesto

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Originally Posted by olsondw

Here you go: http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/3...n-DK-Manifesto

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ah good find, thanks