Oh did they change it? Nonetheless I cant imagine chain heal is less mana. I find chain heal to be unreliable, so I just spam LHW which even with MS/Heal debuff seems to keep my alt up.
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Oh did they change it? Nonetheless I cant imagine chain heal is less mana. I find chain heal to be unreliable, so I just spam LHW which even with MS/Heal debuff seems to keep my alt up.
We're not focusing so much on focused healing as much as we are the passive healing, which as I can attest to us completely lacking as compared to live.
Divine storm may not be scaling properly and with zero holy power it hits for around 380 dmg if you're lucky. Now, scale it to 3 hp and you get hits of around 1k... Which heals you for a whopping 350ish. Its almost as if it doesn't scale with our ap or spellpower conversions anymore. Also take into account that flash heal on live heals around 2to 5 k when art procs. Its a quick big heal and it procced often enough that you'd not have to worry much about it as it was a quick hit that key for random large hps, often saving a life now and then.
All that's fine and dandy imo but word of glory, while it looks good on paper, is kinda meh in game now. When we're pvp ing we're never going to want to have to burn holy power for that heal. We basically cut our dmg in half when we do, taking pressures away for 3 to 6 seconds. Whereas before the heal just cost us a global cooldown and we kept dpsing, now we have to make a huge choice as to, do I heal or keep dpsing? That's what blizzard wanted, make a choice... I think that that removal of passivity healing for us spells doom. On live divine storm hits like a truck and thus heals like ... A wax job on the truck? Lol
They still have more work to do on pallys and hopefully they put the spellpower conversion thing back in for us, otherwise our passive heals won't be enough I think. :) again, time will tell
20% weapon damage seems right for that number.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghonosyph
anyway...
20% weapon dmg does sound about right but there's current no scaling on the ability. Your ap doesn't affect it at all, and neither does your spell power
This to me seems wrong.
I did notice tho that witth the holy wrath glyph you can spam it lol, sucks up your mana awful fast but it hits harder than crusader strike lol. Divine storm, oh how I miss thee most awesomeness!
It being usable on everything is kinda funny, but only stuns demons. I guess it's the new "divine storm", but with like... no healing. Adds more to the rotation though.Quote:
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dispel is for snare. Fear is not a problem other than screwing up the targetting assist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shodokan
You only have 4 freedom. Mage novas 5. You will get one stuck. Mass dispel freedom, you can't even get out of hunter trap or rog poison. 5 of me probably can't even beat 1 good frost mage + 1 priest without dispel as today.
I am thinking abandon 1 paladin, add 1 enhance shaman.
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Originally Posted by remanz
Mages just got so much more powerful. That cone of cold change is amazing- screw frostbite. They have so many ways to control mass groups of melee, even more so now.
Do we have any more information on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shodokan
i've been looking and looking but i just cant find the official info that i found before :( i'll keep trying! i promise!!!!
the problem is "changes to fear" is far too common of a search item when referring to Cataclysm :P
nah it was somethign to the effect of "fear wont last as long"
Sooooo new pally changes are up on beta, crusader strike back down to 3 seconds. Among other changes. I like it better now, faster hp gen and the dmg now feels a little more like a dps class
I don't like that art of war lost a bit more percentage to proc but I understand that it was a little high on proc rates when the cooldown on exorcism is as long as it is. Sometimes you'll have to wait a second or two to get it but its not the end of the world.
All in all with a couple changes to the prot and holy trees (talents we have access to after 31 in ret) I think things are starting to pan out. Healing hands has a minute CD and while long, can be staggered two by two to make it rather useful. Can't wait to get off work today and go beat down some fools!
don't forget that you get higher crit rating and healing now for power word glory :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ghonosyph
How fast do you build HPs? Is is one every 3 sec or other skills can be used too?Quote:
Originally Posted by ghonosyph
Does it feel like paladin lost the burst they have now in WOTLK?
It sounds like they're more bursty now, but it takes a ramp up phase first.
Actually there's more options for burst now, tho some things are still not working right, you have new dps tools to use.
Technically there are only 4 ways to make holy power, crusader strike makes one when used, divine storm has a chance (45 %) and then your two spells that you use holy power for templars verdict (big dmg attack) and inquisition(buff to holy dmg). Both of those can proc one when used at 45% chance.
I can't really give feedback on the burst we have now because I just don't pvp as much with my pallys. I do know that divine storm sucks so the only reason I'd use it is for trying to proc a quick holy power before a crusader strike.
Found some interesting new thingers lately. Divine storm hits multiple targets, but the chance to proc multiple holy power from hitting multiples has been taken away, now it will only proc one HP no matter how many targets you hit. I believe they did this in response to the 3 second cd on crusader strike. It works out imo, judge, crusader, divine storm, crusader, holy wrath, crusader, divine storm makes for a pretty devestating combo for aoe lol. The dmg is still lackluster, but the mastery bonus increase is good. Just wish it was working fully. Also of note, rumor has it they're changing divine storm to holy dmg not weapon dmg ie 20 50 90 % weapon dmg as holy dmg** that would make it scale with both weapon and mastery and would make it worth half a damn too. Im leaning toward the idea that pallys in pvp are pretty gimped, but our pve implications are pretty decent. Bubble lasts measely seconds now, lol theres just not enough passive heals to make it work anymore imo
From what i've seen from my play time as well it looks like it's over as a boxing team unless something drastic changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghonosyph
Ooh well. Looks like a multi-class melee team will still work though.
Arms, unholy, enhance, ret still should work fine with a healer.
On a side note, shaman look extremely strong.
I think if you spend your holy power on healing with word of glory instead of damage, when needed, especially with the increased healing on others talent, you'll have enough healing.
And since in cata it will be less about bursting and more about being able to outheal their damage while outdamaging their healing, it may still be a viable comp yet.
Maybe... The new seal would help quite a bit, but dmg output would be bad. I'm thinking 2 dk 3 ret will make a really bitchin team. Enough passive healing and you can control with frost really well. Double hungering cold, double chains 2 dg and lots and lots of dmg. Since I have 3 dks I'll prolly do this for my main team, and pve with 3 dk 2 pally lol
also, pallys right now get inquisition, which ups your holy dmg by 30 %... But ALL our attacks don't do holy dmg, exorcism and consecrate and holy wrath are the only things getting the buff. Judgement too I think but even still... Wtf! Lol
This change in dynamic is very scary for the priest team. Can you test holy nova to see if you only get one shot to proc Surge of Light vs the current system where you get a chance per toon hit?Quote:
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On rereading your post, I think priests are safe, but it's something to keep in mind.
As is your proc chance hitting many targets will be high as in the more targets hit the more likely you are to proc. The change for divine storm only limits the holy power gain to one per cast instead of multiples. I see this as a negative change to boxers but a positive change to paladin and game design. They don't want an aoe fest and a weak aoe that feeds itself and gets stronger when you spam it is contradictory to the design goal :) lol big words day
tbh, looking at the new talent tree's of all classes,
they are fucking up wow...
really