Blizzard tolerates us for now...

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Originally Posted by Tonuss

Tonuss's succinct and well articulated position (above).

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And that, as they say, is that! Exceptionally well put.

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Originally Posted by Tonuss

This was always the case. Zarhym's post was probably the most succinct way of summarizing Blizzard's stance on multiboxing, though the part about "for now" makes it seem more ominous than intended. My take on the whole issue:

1- Blizzard is fine with multiboxing. Put it however you want-- "they support it" or "they tolerate it" or "they allow it" it all comes down to the same thing. It is not a violation of their rules, nor of their terms of service.

2- As with anything else game-related, Blizzard reserves the right to change that stance if they ever feel that it is necessary to do so.

3- A few retards whining on the forum because their level 75 warlock got repeatedly rocked by a team of 80s that he thought he could mess with is not going to change Blizzard's mind. Nor are level 1 trolls calling multiboxers "noobs" or "no lifers" or whining about how they can't afford $75 a month for a video game (though most of them probably run up $200 phone bills each month... that daddy has to pay for).

4- If Blizzard wanted to stop multiboxing, they could. And please... they can definitely tell if someone is multiboxing, even with hardware. If some mouth-breather on the forums can identify a multiboxer, what makes you think Blizzard can't?

I saw those threads but I just skimmed through a few pages. This issue was settled long ago, and it was settled in our favor with no ambiguity whatsoever. This doesn't mean that Blizzard won't ever change their mind. But it means that all of those idiotic arguments against multiboxing have been made in the past and been shot down by Blizzard reps. I feel that whenever some crybaby comes screeching into the forums about how the big bad multiboxer stole his candy, he deserves to me mocked or, preferably, ignored. He certainly doesn't deserve the courtesy of a serious response anymore.


PS- I still get a kick out of the people who accuse Blizzard of allowing multiboxing because of the added revenue. In essence, they're saying that Blizzard has no integrity and bases its decisions entirely on money. Well, okay. But if the person making this accusation still has an active account, aren't they supporting Blizzard's decision to sell them out for a dollar? Aren't they admitting that they are paying for the privilege of being bent over and reamed without lube, by a corporation that caters to "the rich"?

In the past I pressed the complainers for a response to that question, and not a single person ever responded to it. I'm not kidding, even the most ferocious and insulting trolls who made sure to always get in the last word-- they ALWAYS IGNORED that question. Not a single person bothered to address it. That still makes me smile.

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If you look at my previous responses you'll see I essentially said the same thing.:) People who've been around this game a long time have seen the arguement over and over. It was settled long ago. Now if there were more people like Prepared we might have a situation. Fortunately he's one of a kind.

Does Blizzard cater to the rich? Maybe not but they cater to wherever the money is coming from. Why do you think the game has changed so much from Vanilla WOW to cater to casuals? I mean seriously look what they did to raiding over the years.

Like I said in my previous post they realize the people who threaten to quit because of multiboxers VS the number of people multiboxing is vast. They just let the whiners quit because they know it's 1 sub loss instead of 5 or more.

As for integrity... Uhhh what company has integrity when it comes to money? Do I think Blizz is a good company- yes! Do I think they have integrity when it means a money loss- HELL NO! lol

As someone who has been boxing for a long time (into my 4th year now), I wouldn't read too much in Zarhym's comments. Blizzard have been 'tolerating' multiboxing for years, his isn't the first time there has been a scare that Blizzard might ban multiboxing, and I doubt it will be the last.

The other thing to remember is Zarhym is a community manager, not a game designer. If Ghostcrawler came out and said he was against boxing, then I'd be concerned. ;)

The sky is NOT falling. For now. :p

Cheers,
S.

Whats preparded doing thats so bad .... he brings in 20 to a AV and controls a single choke point.

His team loses as he can he can only be one place at a time.

And the other team qqs cause they have to win by turtle .....

I mean people win and they qq


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Oh that dude was community manager well doh .... ya who cares what he say, his job is to say whatever the community wants to hear.

I'm not as long around as most of you, and it seems like i've seen this discussion over and over already. There are tmho 2 main factors that might *kill* boxing:

A] the boxers themselves: i.e. how they behave (if everyone is gonna act elitist, like a jerk -> waisting other people their game, playing just to pwn by outnumbering others, ... etc). The irony here is that the most visible boxers to the non boxers are in fact the aforementioned.

B] The tools becoming insanely powerful. When i see in the short timeframe i box how certain tools/addons/setups have been improved, then i'm afraid at some point they might become too powerful. And blizz will take a stance against it. This while it's legit, but it might change the perception.

yes, you haven't locked the thread yet.... i win

There will never be a point where we are more powerfull then the same gear/number of seperatly played characters. And I dont really see where wow macros are all that, in EQ we could put in time delays and that was a BIG BIG plus that we don't have here. We could cast FIVE spells with a single click in EQ.

I mean level 80's have been killing me since day one.

When a level 80 kills 30 of my guys when they were level 40 did I qq about it? I even play on a pvp server for more action.

People have sometimes shut down my play time. LoL on SZ I got hammered for years .....

When I can plug a cat5 cable into my head and launch Innerspace and use MindMaps instead of KeyMaps.

Well then.... maybe.

MWUAHAHAHAHAHA.

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Originally Posted by jinkobi

Does Blizzard cater to the rich? Maybe not but they cater to wherever the money is coming from. Why do you think the game has changed so much from Vanilla WOW to cater to casuals? I mean seriously look what they did to raiding over the years.

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As for integrity... Uhhh what company has integrity when it comes to money? Do I think Blizz is a good company- yes! Do I think they have integrity when it means a money loss- HELL NO! lol

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You have to understand, the people who are making the argument in those threads are very big on morality and ethics and what is "just" and "fair." For them, a company going after profits is not something to be expected, it is a sign that a company is evil and just a greedy corporate monster that swallows babies whole. The basis of their argument against multiboxing is that it is "wrong" (ie, EVIL) and that Blizzard is wrong (ie, EVIL) for allowing it, because the only reason to allow something that is wrong (ie... you get the picture) is because you get more money, and that is... EVIL.

My question is intended to turn the tables on them. If it's really that big an issue for them, then all I ask is that they explain how they can support EVIL with their spending money. It's all about principles for them, so I point out that there seems to be a bit of a disconnect between what they say and what they do. None of those moral crusaders has managed to answer that question, or even attempted it.

Mind you, this is not the same as the people who complain that "BLIZZARD IS RUINING THE GAME JUST TO MAKE A DOLLAR." That's a wholly illogical stance, and it amazes me that people repeat it. But I have noticed that most of the time, moral indignation is an impulse and not based on any sort of reason or logic. So I just shrug my shoulders and let it go.

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Originally Posted by zenga

I'm not as long around as most of you, and it seems like i've seen this discussion over and over already. There are tmho 2 main factors that might *kill* boxing:

A] the boxers themselves: i.e. how they behave (if everyone is gonna act elitist, like a jerk -> waisting other people their game, playing just to pwn by outnumbering others, ... etc). The irony here is that the most visible boxers to the non boxers are in fact the aforementioned.

B] The tools becoming insanely powerful. When i see in the short timeframe i box how certain tools/addons/setups have been improved, then i'm afraid at some point they might become too powerful. And blizz will take a stance against it. This while it's legit, but it might change the perception.

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I'm with you on point A for sure. I've seen some people on these forums bragging about how they made someone upset or talking about being nourished by all the "QQ" they cause - it just makes me think that person is an infant, not a badass.

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Originally Posted by kate

I'm with you on point A for sure. I've seen some people on these forums bragging about how they made someone upset or talking about being nourished by all the "QQ" they cause - it just makes me think that person is an infant, not a badass.

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QFT

Unfortunately, we cannot stop anyone from purchasing/using multi-boxing software/hardware. I've been traveling the WoW world with my 3 man team, and I've found that most people that choose to speak to me are more interested in "how?" I give them a link to this site so they can make up their mind. Having those kinds of statements here does not do anything positive for the boxing communities reputation, and is sort of like hitting your own nuts with a hammer... just plain ignorant. You can say what you want, but you might just talk yourself out of multi-boxing.

That being said... this is the millionth "The sky is falling" thread. I think the statement "For now," is like saying, "we're watching you." As long as we keep it legit it will always be "For now."

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Originally Posted by Dooz

I think the statement "For now," is like saying, "we're watching you." As long as we keep it legit it will always be "For now."

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i couldn't put it better myself. This basically answers this thread.

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Originally Posted by Myc

and.. 45 bucks? pffft.. just got home from a $300.00 dinner.. $60.00 tip.. (happy birthday to me fyi :cool:)
car payment..500.. bike payment 250.. dropping money on screens, laptop, gifts for my girl, &.. faster computer than most wow players..
I Don't see how 45 bucks is anything... my gym membership is more than that. my cost in starbucks & lunches thru the week is more than that.
and by no means am I 'living large'

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I certainly agree.. I sometimes tell people that if I go broke paying my 5 accounts then I have hugggeee problems financially. between private school education for my children, cars, houses, weekend dinner-outs..blach.. WoW is even cheaper than my elder daughter's swimming lessons and half of her violin's.

and happy birthday to you! :D

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Originally Posted by thefunk

i couldn't put it better myself. This basically answers this thread.

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I'm watching what they say and they're watching my actions... I have to pay $75 a month to watch each other?

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I certainly agree.. I sometimes tell people that if I go broke paying my 5 accounts then I have hugggeee problems financially. between private school education for my children, cars, houses, weekend dinner-outs..blach.. WoW is even cheaper than my elder daughter's swimming lessons and half of her violin's.

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I used to reply to those posts by explaining that $75 is nowhere near my biggest monthly expense. And these days, it's only a big monthly expense to someone who doesn't have any monthly expenses. My friend's nine-year-old son has a cell phone. $75 for a few WOW accounts doesn't really sound like a big deal to him, I can assure you.

Someone who thinks that $75 a month for WOW is a back-breaking expense is (IMO) probably not even the person paying for his own $15 a month WOW account.

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Originally Posted by Tin

The new post: It's Time to end multiboxing....proof inside

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...26434089&sid=1


http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2...2010021829.jpg

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a 20+ pages flameswar on general forums just because the random 200 rated guy without any keybinds (perhaps worst player in the world) and with gearscore add-on whine's about multiboxing advantages

what tha hell is going on these days?

Just remember that most of the people who are commenting on the $75/mo expense being a lot are probably paying for WoW out of their allowance or after-school job, so it kind of does seem like a big expense to them.

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Originally Posted by Kruschpakx4

a 20+ pages flameswar on general forums just because the random 200 rated guy without any keybinds (perhaps worst player in the world) and with gearscore add-on whine's about multiboxing advantages

what tha hell is going on these days?

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It's not just these days. This has been going on for a few years now. I'm not really sure how many years, but my start date @ D-B.com is June 2008, so at the very least, that long. If you noticed how many people said,"so we're starting this thread again." People are tired of hearing about it, because really... there aren't that many of us for this to be a major concern. If anything, I've noticed more acceptance of MB'ing recently. You're always going to have some person that got EM/CL'd complaining in the forums.

The blue post is confirmation that multi-boxing is a legitimate play style. See my post above for what I think "for now" means. Until there is a blue post that states otherwise, I wouldn't be worried. You can speculate all you want, it's your time, but this is nothing new.

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Originally Posted by Dooz

.....You can speculate all you want, it's your time, but this is nothing new.

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completely agree..

now if i can only wave a magic wand and turn my lvl 34 pallies to lvl 60... :(

A friend of mine, used RAF for two accounts.
He decided to do the level granting in Goldshire, for maximum exposure.

Someone wanted to know how he was doing that.
So he told them, it was from Rafweed, which is a rare herb you can only farm during the Halloween event.

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Originally Posted by Ualaa

A friend of mine, used RAF for two accounts.
He decided to do the level granting in Goldshire, for maximum exposure.

Someone wanted to know how he was doing that.
So he told them, it was from Rafweed, which is a rare herb you can only farm during the Halloween event.

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It wasn't rare pokemon candy? Ive been tricked! =l
lol nice one

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Originally Posted by Ualaa

A friend of mine, used RAF for two accounts.
He decided to do the level granting in Goldshire, for maximum exposure.

Someone wanted to know how he was doing that.
So he told them, it was from Rafweed, which is a rare herb you can only farm during the Halloween event.

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or new promo from blizz to encourage new subs... alt f4 to activate and create a trial clone.

I have to say, I will be pretty p***ed off if I buy 5 copies of cataclysm and then they stop multi-boxing or impair it in any way.

I've faced multiboxers in BGs many time and it's a lot of fun to work out how to take them down. Every multiboxer takes up as many spots as they have chars, so... I dunno guys. I genuinely believe that multiboxers add a fun and challenging element to the battlegrounds that makes it far more exciting!

I LOVE coming up against multiboxers.