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Next fix is to stop groups queuing on at the same time though vent etc. it make bg's more random then just all press GO at the same times at this was talked about in pvp blogs. it be using the queuing tech they use for LFG/LFR not whoever presses to join button 1st.
i can see follow will being removed soon from bg's as well.
If you're five-boxing or less, not queuing as a raid is not the end of the world.
If you're doing more than one group, getting your whole team into the same battleground is quite important.
You can still use Oqueue for Rated Battlegrounds.
You can use it to find players for a five-man group, from multiple servers.
Ultimately, you could get a lot of people into a Vent channel, even way more than the BG allows.
And have everyone queue at once for a BG.
Then take the queue if a lot of people "ding" at once, or within a very short window.
Blizzard is not going to stop people from attempting to get a raid into a BG.
And over time the best solution to the problem will be found.
About the only way to really break it, would be to move away from Alliance vs Horde.
If it was half the total players are 'Red' and half are 'Blue', irregardless of their starting faction; or even better/worse, having a dozen 'Teams' in the same BG.
And the side you get in any given game is completely random and can change from each game...
Well, you could not determine a team in advance, or skew chance in favor by only joining games that pop near the same time as others who you hope to play with...
Looks like it was intentional per the following blue post:
I just posted a sticky on this subject here:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7199643338#1
In patch 5.1, we resolved some issues regarding how Addons interact with the Battleground queue system. It is no longer possible to automate queuing for standard or random Battlegrounds in groups larger than 5. We decided to make this change in order to improve the experience for all players who are queueing into random groups normally and expecting to face similarly random groups, only to find themselves crushed by a full team of coordinated opponents.
We understand that players want to enjoy coordinated team play, and we invite those players to queue into Rated Battlegrounds or play Wargames to have that experience. Players can continue to use Addons to queue for Rated Battlegrounds as well.
There's an oQueue group on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/oqueue/
Reading that thread...ouch. WoW PVP forum whiners haven't gotten any smarter, that's for sure. "Waaaa! You guys planned better than I did! Nerf planning!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Oathbreaker
Also interesting to note that it appears the only people really, truly interested in fostering a more entertaining BG environment are multiboxers.
There is already a planned BG environment, and it's called rated battlegrounds. The idea behind random battlegrounds is that they are random. Trying to game the random aspect of random battlegrounds is silly. When you participate into random play, you accept a certain handicap on your side and expect a certain handicap on the other side, there is only a limited level of coordination possible with random play (i.e. what is possible through BG chat and what is possible with small groups; but that is clearly not a full premade raid).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz
It's beyond my mind that people I consider very reasonable from what they tend to post over time on this board. don't seem to understand the concept behind random battlegrounds and rated bg's.
The majority of users on this site box at least four toons.
Many box five or ten toons.
Four or five toons is a severe drawback to your team, in most 10-man battleground environments.
It is increased power, but loss of flexibility in the 15-man battlegrounds with EotS being the one that really shines for 5-boxers.
AB isn't particularly good or bad boxed.
The 40-man BGs are the primary strong option for 5-box and 10-box teams.
They are not an option for Rated Battleground play, only the smaller BGs where boxing is usually a disadvantage for your team.
Does it surprise you that most boxers prefer to run the 40-man BGs over the 10-man & 15-man BGs?
Similarly, is it surprising that people want to play with their friends?
Or that they want to coordinate to win their battlegrounds?
Sure, I agree that when it is 30 coordinated boxed toons, in a 40-man battleground...
And the other side is randoms, it is not exactly fair.
Or in the case of RathStrat (Horde) or QQ (Alliance), 25-35 coordinated players boxed or not vs a random group... same lack of fairness.
When we run into an organized opposition, those games are by far the most fun.
Even if we only win half of them.
I would take coordinated vs coordinated play, in 40-man BGs over the current 'Random' or 'Rated' options.
You do know you can AV rath vs qq to your hearts content via wargame, right? You dont even need 40v40, you can do 10v10 AV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ualaa
Since the only thing you are after is coordinated vs coordinated play.......
This is restricted by the fact that you can only challenge someone on your own server to a wargame. While not completely breaking, you'll have to go through the trouble of ensuring that each team has someone from the same server. You also have to factor in that there are no rewards for wargames. Why would someone want to play a bg with no rewards when the game is designed around rewarding people for their actions and contributions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Tire
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Originally Posted by EaTCarbS
No more an inconvenience than counting down on vent when to hit the queue button, plus you ensure an even playing field.
Why does there need to be rewards. I thought people just wanted coordinated vs coordinated AV? There it is.
There are rewards rated bgs unless I missed something...in both cases you get to queue with your friends and have coordinated vs coordinated battlegrounds.