FOTM for Multiboxing is definitely pallys

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Originally Posted by Palee

Ah

Ah sorry... Well, I'm on tich on Horde so if you go Aliance we should have some epic battles :)
But I'm considering have both horde and alliance teams.

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Arena is all that matters to me really. So horde isn't really an option.

Is is because of the racials? I thought they are nerfing EMFH?

This is some good discussion here. I am still trying to catch up on various changes for all classes.

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because of all the new abilities/synergies between classes

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Anything reallly exciting in this area ? Say if I pick a team of mixed melees, dk,pally,warrior,shaman (enhance, seems like enhance wont get ANYTHING new !?).

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Originally Posted by Palee

Is is because of the racials? I thought they are nerfing EMFH?

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They havent nerfed EMFH. Its just that they have put stats on the trinkets for trinketing. Humans can still and will use the proc and on use trinkets which others that need a trinket wont use.

So regarding EMFH, I think I noticed that it doesn't remove silences, like a pvp trinket does, is this correct?

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Originally Posted by Fat Tire

They havent nerfed EMFH. Its just that they have put stats on the trinkets for trinketing. Humans can still and will use the proc and on use trinkets which others that need a trinket wont use.

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A second dps trinket might make a different at very high ratings, but at the 2k rating or so I don't think so. I remember when I had BE pallies with their silences. The moment I moved to alliance to humans, even though I had an extra trinket, the lack of silence tanked my rating from like 2000 down to 1800. If you get CC-ed or if you can't CC a little bit of extra dmg from a trinket won't make much difference.

I'm an everything guy - arena, rbgs, random bgs, world pvp, and pve. I think shaman look viable for all. Viable for 2200+ arena? Only time and experience at 90 will tell. But I don't think 1800 will be hard at all and maybe 2000 if you put the time in. That'll give you the increased points cap to get geared up and blow things up in other types of PVP where I think shaman can really shine.

Although shaman have some very promising talents with the dynamics to potentially hit very high rating arena, other classes have a lot of things that could give us trouble that we'd have to overcome, or if not, just get hard countered and blown up to melee cleaves like in wrath.

I'm not interested in banging away at 5v5 for an entire expansion trying to earn a minor tier 2 upgrade, and even less so - titles. If I really get into arena I'll play solo or dual box 3v3s or something.

I only went to 2000 in 5v5 in wrath to get fully geared when there were rating requirements, by 2100 it was no longer fun - but with that gear all other pvp was amazing. I focused on BGs and Wintergrasp at that point, and heroic instances. For the latter, LFR gives us a way to get excellent gear compared to being stuck 2 tiers behind from the justice vendors.

I didn't box in Cata but based on what I observed, Shaman were good but not amazing in non-arena settings. I think with increased burst capability with ascendance and the like, coupled with the ability to spec all survivability and healing (with the super OP healing tide totem), you can be a powerful force in BGs and world pvp without quickly getting mowed down when the fight gets to more than 4 people, or 2-3 skilled players aoe cc'ing you down and outhealing your burst.

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Originally Posted by Fat Tire

They havent nerfed EMFH. Its just that they have put stats on the trinkets for trinketing. Humans can still and will use the proc and on use trinkets which others that need a trinket wont use.

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I haven't tested but i think EMFH doesn't include silences anymore (just what i heard through the grapevine)

@heyas

Everything in the game is viable to 2.2k if the player(s) are good enough.

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Originally Posted by Shodokan

I haven't tested but i think EMFH doesn't include silences anymore (just what i heard through the grapevine)

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Just tested on live, EMFH *did* remove the silence from Silencing Shot.

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Originally Posted by heyaz

I'm an everything guy - arena, rbgs, random bgs, world pvp, and pve. I think shaman look viable for all. Viable for 2200+ arena? Only time and experience at 90 will tell. But I don't think 1800 will be hard at all and maybe 2000 if you put the time in. That'll give you the increased points cap to get geared up and blow things up in other types of PVP where I think shaman can really shine.

Although shaman have some very promising talents with the dynamics to potentially hit very high rating arena, other classes have a lot of things that could give us trouble that we'd have to overcome, or if not, just get hard countered and blown up to melee cleaves like in wrath.

I'm not interested in banging away at 5v5 for an entire expansion trying to earn a minor tier 2 upgrade, and even less so - titles. If I really get into arena I'll play solo or dual box 3v3s or something.

I only went to 2000 in 5v5 in wrath to get fully geared when there were rating requirements, by 2100 it was no longer fun - but with that gear all other pvp was amazing. I focused on BGs and Wintergrasp at that point, and heroic instances. For the latter, LFR gives us a way to get excellent gear compared to being stuck 2 tiers behind from the justice vendors.

I didn't box in Cata but based on what I observed, Shaman were good but not amazing in non-arena settings. I think with increased burst capability with ascendance and the like, coupled with the ability to spec all survivability and healing (with the super OP healing tide totem), you can be a powerful force in BGs and world pvp without quickly getting mowed down when the fight gets to more than 4 people, or 2-3 skilled players aoe cc'ing you down and outhealing your burst.

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i cata shams did not get good till they removed the cooldown on chain lighting and buffed us in DS patch. they was hell at the start of the xpac with big mana probs but in mop your spending the hole of level 90 at like 370k mana. its not going up its not going down so should not be a prob at 90.

Av got shams at level 90 (they give out free conquest gear.) healing is far to op in pvp atm. (needs work a lot of work) 5v5 arena is just 2 healers 3 dps and nothing dies in arana you have to lock down the healers thats kinda hard to do when u getting stunned/fear/aoed/Nuked. but beta is nothing like live :)