The Mercbeast Framework

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Originally Posted by Bloodcloud

Question:
1) Do i understand this correctly that this one DPS Key, effectively presses all keys on the clients at the "same time", and in the priority you specify the order of the skills/spells/attacks on the bars?
1a) what is your "key queue" time (or something like that) in the preferences of swtor ?
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2) pet attack is a toggle in the game. If you press it two times in a row, the pet stops attacking!!

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For your questions 1 and 1a, youre correct. Mercbeasts setup uses one button to send key presses in game, as a alternative to no in-game macro system. You can set each action to delay x amount of time. Soooo, "it depends". Whatever skills or attacks in game you want to use as a combo key, and this is obviously dependent on what class you play, and how you want to play it. This is your spamable key. And yes, the companion attack is a toggle. its not a spamable key. You press it and they go.


Now, personally, this is not how I currently have my game set up. I altered from Mercbeasts framework and developed my own from Mosg's "Holy Grail", and Remanz Clickbar healing. I like to press each button for each skill or attack. (to be fair), I do have some combo keymaps set up.

I created a DPS1 through DPS6 and these are my regular "go to" skills. Then I just setup the in game skills with the particular slot and press what i need.

Briefly, mine looks like this...

Keymaps
+ Apps Control (set)
- Target Me
- Heal Me
- Heal Other
- Assist Me
- Follow Me
- Companion Attack
- CC Ability 1
- CC Ability 2
- OShit
+ Apps Warrior (set)
- DPS1
- DPS2
- DPS3
- DPS4
- DPS5
- DPS6
- DPS7
- Follow Jump (no action)
+ Apps Sorcerer (set)
- DPS1
- DPS2
- DPS3
- DPS4
- DPS5
- DPS6
- DPS7
- Follow Jump (no action)

I'm not being able to use the what you called NON-STANDARD KEYMAPS.

It just simply keeps spamming Affliction (Instant dot, no CD, 21s duration).

I created a mapped key, two steps:
Step 1:
4 (my Aff bind) - target Others in ATG (as my main is an assassin tank)
Checked Do not advance to next step for a t least 21s
Step 2:
Same as Step 1

Maybe the problem is there, don't know but that's the way I understood it.

Any help is very welcome :).
Thank you.
A.

whats your keypress action set to? "off (Default)" or "on"

Is this a multistep or multi action keymap action?

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Originally Posted by Apps

whats your keypress action set to? "off (Default)" or "on"

Is this a multistep or multi action keymap action?

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Thank you Apps - it's set to off (Default) and execute a step released (default)

I'm trying to replicate Merc's setup, so I guess it's the second type, one keymap, mutiple keys pressed at the same time.

The mapped key I mention as an example is being called by my dps bind (as per OPs example of the corrosive dart)

There's this expression in the OP "Open that keymap up, click on steps and add another step. " which makes me assume we have two steps on that keymap that do exactly the same (since we already created one while setting up the keys too). There might be a problem with my understanding here but even so, I tried to do the same with only one step and it didn't work either

Cheers,
A.

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Originally Posted by Altsoba

Thank you Apps - it's set to off (Default) and execute a step released (default)

I'm trying to replicate Merc's setup, so I guess it's the second type, one keymap, mutiple keys pressed at the same time.

The mapped key I mention as an example is being called by my dps bind (as per OPs example of the corrosive dart)

There's this expression in the OP "Open that keymap up, click on steps and add another step. " which makes me assume we have two steps on that keymap that do exactly the same. There might be a problem with my understanding here but even so, I tried to do the same with only one step and it didn't work either

Cheers,
A.

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K i would first start by changing that and then change the pull down menu just below it to "Pressed or Released". So that when you do step one, its press.. and when you release the key, it does step two.

in step one, you want to be sure your actions.. (because there are multiple actions here) that youre sending them all to the appropriate window.

(I dont use ATG's anymore since its easier to just make a keyset for a particular window given Im running dissimilar classes.)

Anyway, you also want to make sure you have the “do not pass” checkboxs clicked. As per this note.

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Originally Posted by ”Mercbeast”

My DPS rotation is simply a priority system. I create a Mosg2 style spam hotkey. This hotkey will have two steps. I also check all the do not pass boxes on the second step and set it to not pass to the next step for 1.5s (I adjust this as my haste rating increases).

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If it were me, I wouldn’t use the ATG, and instead use the Character Slot X as the target window… .but that’s only if you are using dissimilar classes. If all the classes are the same, then you really don’t even need the ATG at all. You can just use “Window all w/o Current” or “Window all w/current”

Did all the changes, still not working :/

I have the feeling that I'm missing something really basic here...

Ok, so I decided to make a crash test :p and the problem is within the affliction key map itself.

Here's what I did:

I created a new mapped key;
Hotkey XPRO-35
Hold any Keystroke... Off
Execute a step when... pressed or released

Advanced - leave as default

Created Step 1:
Keystroke action -> 4 (my affliction bind) -> self
Do not advance to the next step -> Checked
...for at least -> Checked
21s
and only trigger once -> Unchecked

Created Step 2:
Keystroke action -> 4 (my affliction bind) -> self
Do not advance to the next step -> Checked
...for at least -> Checked
21s
and only trigger once -> Unchecked

So the goal here is to go to the client of one of my Sorcerers and do it all from there (that's why I'm using self and binded a Hotkey).

It keeps spamming Affliction... Should it? Guess it should as it is doing it, so mustbe doing something wrong why and sure don't want it ^^

ok, so is the XPRO-35 a mouse button or something? based upon what you typed, when you press your hotkey "XPRO-35" once...your toons should press the 4 key once, and then as soon as you release the key, it will press 4 again... then 21 seconds later another 4.

Try this. lets make a little test of something simple, and then you can apply what you see here to what you want your game to do. Lets make a NEW mapped key. Make your hotkey something you arent using in game.. but a standard key with no combo... like the "Home" key.

hotkey is "Home"
Hold keystroke is "off"
choose "Pressed or Released"

Do New keystroke action
step one
-action
do new mapped key action
4-> self
(set do not advance to 1.5)
do new mapped key action (right click on the word "action" just above the key you just did)
5->self (this is just a test to see if the key action is working... i dont know what you have on "5" so lets just assume its a buff or something)
(set do not advance to 1.5)

Step two
-action
do new mapped key action
TAB-> self
do new mapped key action
X-> Self

Save and export.
click on a target (something you can kill solo)
and press your Home key.

what should happen is... you should cast affliction, then your action (whatever is on 5)
and then immediately target the next closest hostel and sit down.

Once you confirm this works, you should be able to eliminate variables as to why your DPS key you made from mercbeast isnt working.. make sense?

The X-PRO35 is from a X-KEYS Keyboard.

I even did something simpler (targeting an alt in duel):

Hotkey 4 (X-PRO35 worked too)
Hold any Keystroke... Off
Execute a step when... pressed or released

Advanced - leave as default

Created Step 1:
Keystroke action -> 4 (my affliction bind) -> self
Do not advance to the next step -> Unchecked
...for at least -> Unchecked
default value
and only trigger once -> Unchecked

Created Step 2:
Keystroke action -> 0 (buff) -> self
Do not advance to the next step -> Checked
...for at least -> Checked
21s
and only trigger once -> Unchecked

And it worked. I spammed buff whenever it was ready and casted Affliction every 21s.

Which makes sense, leaving it free to proceed to next step (buff) and only lock on it and then going to step 1 again after the lock.

Now, why won't it work having two steps of Affliction both with 21s lock?

likely because the attack / skill uses the same GCD. the time between press and release is what? tenths of a second? You wont be able to notice when its the press action or the release action thats firing. It wont run automatically, (of course). so when you press it once and release, it could still be in the mode of the 21 seconds from the initial press, so the release gets skipped.

So instead of trying to use the same attack / skill, you wouldnt be any better off than if you just did a single step action and just spammed the key.

I.e. the software isnt going to allow you to automate and thus break any ToU.


BTW, good job workin out your different variables. :)

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Originally Posted by Apps

likely because the attack / skill uses the same GCD. the time between press and release is what? tenths of a second? You wont be able to notice when its the press action or the release action thats firing. It wont run automatically, (of course). so when you press it once and release, it could still be in the mode of the 21 seconds from the initial press, so the release gets skipped.

So instead of trying to use the same attack / skill, you wouldnt be any better off than if you just did a single step action and just spammed the key.

I.e. the software isnt going to allow you to automate and thus break any ToU.


BTW, good job workin out your different variables. :)

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Thanks again mate.
Thing is I don't want to spam Affliction as it doesn't have a CD it's a dot with a duration. It's exactly like the example given on the op for the corrosive dart. So if Merc was able to do it, I want to do it too as it largely optimizes my dps cycle and reduces the amount of keys needed.

What is frustrating is that it seems really straightforward from theop explanation and it just won't work for me.
Well, that or any other way for achieving same result of course.

in the interim, perhaps you should just add the key press to your regular key rotation.. this way it always gets pressed.. even if its on GCD. So long as you are dpsing, and pressing keys in combat.

I did a successful 100% dot uptime with the following:

Hotkey X-PRO35
Hold any Keystroke... Off
Execute a step when... pressed or released

Advanced:
Reset to Step 1 after 42s from the first Hotkey press
This is what's new 42s = 2*dot duration

Created Step 1:
Keystroke action -> 4 (my affliction bind) -> self
Do not advance to the next step -> Checked
...for at least -> Checked
21s
and only trigger once -> Checked

Created Step 2:
Keystroke action -> 4 (my affliction bind) -> self
Do not advance to the next step -> Checked
...for at least -> Checked
21s
and only trigger once -> Checked

Going to try integrate it in the big picture DPS key.

As soon as I integrate even one simple key on the cycle I no longer achieve 100% uptime with the dot.

So if anyone has a way of doing the following, I'd be most thankful:

I want to spam in one key the following:
Affliction (Bind 4) every 21s
Shock (Bind 1) whenever's up
Force lightning (Bind 2) whenever's up
Crushing Darkness (Bind 3) whenever's up
Lightning Strike (Bind 5) every 6s

Of course I'm currently able to do shock, force lightning ans crushing darkness as desired. The issue is only with the timed spells.

Thank you,
A.

Altsoba:
I'm completely new to this myself (only have very limited experience boxing WoW in the past), so I may be talking out of my ass here.
But if it's only one dot you need 100% uptime with, why not just put the dot in a step of its own in the dps key rather than the ability key?
Step 1 dot, step 2 all your dps abilities you want to use and put a delay on step 2 to not pass back to 1 for 21s. This will ensure that every 21s your dot gets casted.
Because while you have it in the same step as your other abilities, the delay in the ability key itself doesn't matter since at exactly every 21s you might fire off Shock instead for example, thus causing the delay and loss of uptime.

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Originally Posted by chazz

Altsoba:
But if it's only one dot you need 100% uptime with, why not just put the dot in a step of its own in the dps key rather than the ability key?
Step 1 dot, step 2 all your dps abilities you want to use and put a delay on step 2 to not pass back to 1 for 21s. This will ensure that every 21s your dot gets casted.

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Thanks a lot that inspired me and here's what I did, working 100% fine:

Below, is the example for a sorcerer dps single target cycle. I did another for multi target and also single target tank and multi target tank.

Mapped Key DPS SINGLE TARGET:
Hold any Keystroke... --> Default (Off)
Execute a Step... --> pressed OR released

Advanced:
Reset to Step 1 after 240s from the first Hotkey press

Step 1:
Affliction -> all other

Step 2:
Shock -> all other
Do not advance to the next step ...for at least 1.5s

Step 3:
Force Lightning -> all other
Do not advance to the next step ...for at least 7.5s (enough time for two so hopefully it procs for insta spell)

Step 4:
Shock -> all other (Shock is up again and is great DPS with the possible proc)
Do not advance to the next step ...for at least 1.5s

Step 5:
Crushing Darkness -> all other
Do not advance to the next step ...for at least 1.5s (it has a cast time but most of the time is instant due to FL proc)

Step 6:
Force Lightning -> all other
Do not advance to the next step ...for at least 4.5s

Step 7:
Shock -> all other
Do not advance to the next step ...for at least 1.5s

I've tested it in a Flashpoint and I'm quite happy with it.
The whole cycle last about 18s+1 GCD which is really close to the 21s uptime of Affliction.
I'll tune up yet, as well as adjust to Alacrity as it goes up but it's a method I like that somehwhat replicates the castsequence we're used to.

It might even be a method of doing things already posted before and for that I apologize but I never understood it this way untill now.

On my DPS key I call the Assist, Trinkets, Temp Buffs (etc...), DPS and Tank Key Maps and that's how I organized it.

Thank you again to all of you.
Follow fixed, got my "macros" I'm a happy panda (pun intended :p)
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Great job! you got it exactly right. Be sure to edit your above post and include the "use this step once" or "pass" checkbox, as to not confuse anyone copying your setup.

Nice rotation btw.

I have a hybrid lightning madness spec for my SI. The only spells I use playing solo are death field when ever its up, affliction, spam lightning barrage. When you get an instant cast proc I use crushing darkness and when thats on cooldown chain lightning. I never use shock at 50 unless I am in pvp and want to finish someone off with low health. I setup an isboxer macro to always activate my two relics. Anyone boxing SI should spec the madness talent so lighting barrage has no cooldown.

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Originally Posted by Altsoba

As soon as I integrate even one simple key on the cycle I no longer achieve 100% uptime with the dot.

So if anyone has a way of doing the following, I'd be most thankful:

I want to spam in one key the following:
Affliction (Bind 4) every 21s
Shock (Bind 1) whenever's up
Force lightning (Bind 2) whenever's up
Crushing Darkness (Bind 3) whenever's up
Lightning Strike (Bind 5) every 6s

Of course I'm currently able to do shock, force lightning ans crushing darkness as desired. The issue is only with the timed spells.

Thank you,
A.

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You should be able to achieve this with a spam rotation.

Step 1
Bind 4
Bind 1
Bind 2
Bind 3
Bind 5

Then in Bind 4 itself, set it to pass once every 21s. Now the trick here is, set it to click only once.

Go back to your DPS spam, and if you run an up down step advancement and 2 steps, set the second step to advance after 1.5s. If you don't do this you might actually miss your first keystroke to put up affliction.

Thanks for sharing your setup! I've been using a customized setup based on yours with a BH group and the damage is massive. It totally makes up for no macro'ing in ToR.

I'm actually trying to get a friend to try this setup with just single boxing as it will greatly improve his DPS by not having to fish for what to hit and when.

Beast, what does your BH dps spam key look like? I've been trying to tune mine up but can't get it right.

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Originally Posted by OGRedd

Beast, what does your BH dps spam key look like? I've been trying to tune mine up but can't get it right.

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I actually don't DPS spam with my commandos.

Since commandos/mercs have so few abilities I've mostly just keyed them up individually.

I have one key for just grav round.

I have one key that is sort of DPS spammy, it is in order.

Stock Strike
High Impact Bolt
Sticky Grenade
Hammer Shot

I have one key that is just hammer shot.

I have one key that is just full auto.

That essentially covers all my primary DPS abilities. I'll open with 2 grav rounds, then hit my semi spam button to throw HIB. If someone is in my grill I use the DPS spam to stock strike them. For PvE just throwing your hammer shot into your rotation every 3rd or 4th attack seems to work best.

Good read merc, I enjoyed it sadly i'm trying to stick to similar classes for my teams, not up to the task of yet trying to work out a good mixed team like you and riker. I might try in the future Trooper Tank, Smuggler Healer, Consular DPS, Consular DPS, not sure though. I have no problem running the DPS system since I have good xp with sorc dps, nor the healing system, but not sure how a trooper is at tanking. Never really played one past lvl 10.

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Originally Posted by losschris

Good read merc, I enjoyed it sadly i'm trying to stick to similar classes for my teams, not up to the task of yet trying to work out a good mixed team like you and riker. I might try in the future Trooper Tank, Smuggler Healer, Consular DPS, Consular DPS, not sure though. I have no problem running the DPS system since I have good xp with sorc dps, nor the healing system, but not sure how a trooper is at tanking. Never really played one past lvl 10.

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I just came off leveling a BH, Sorc dps, Sorc dps, Ops healer group to 50. The Trooper and Consular DPS is a match made in heaven. There are so many abilities that lines up together including their AE.

that is good to know, right now i feel over powered in any heroic especially if tank / spank. I know that if you leave a sorc or sniper alone they will dish out extreme punishment, I want to get some videos made soon, I really do love Lost Island in Heroic though.

Just wait til you try out Trooper and Consular DPS. Especially Balance spec'd. You can run in and out of range with a Trooper and for the most part, still hold aggro while the Consular dots mobs and runs around like a chicken.

I like that spec for pvp mostly

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Originally Posted by losschris

that is good to know, right now i feel over powered in any heroic especially if tank / spank. I know that if you leave a sorc or sniper alone they will dish out extreme punishment, I want to get some videos made soon, I really do love Lost Island in Heroic though.

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Losscriss! Are you saying that you've boxed LI HM? If so, please give some details. What was the team and what gear did everyone have when you first cleared it. I just tried to box it with my republic team and I couldn't make it past the first mini boss. My team is almost all columi.