Leave Britney... err Sam alone!!!!
Seriously. Learn from your mothers, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."
I'm sure that will come back on me :D
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Leave Britney... err Sam alone!!!!
Seriously. Learn from your mothers, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."
I'm sure that will come back on me :D
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Originally Posted by 'Multibocks',index.php?page=Thread&postID=161495#p ost161495
nothing in your post helpful or nice said.. maybe you should have said nothing at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Multibocks',index.php?page=Thread&postID=161301#p ost161301
Actually in this thread I was hopeing for advise on which am2 motherboard chipset has the best memory bandwidth but that didnt happen.
Im not doing 26 cause prepared is doing 30 plus, like I showed I had plans for 26 before anyone had heard of Prepared.
http://www.fohguild.org/forums/retar...oxing-wow.html
Thats dated 7-29-08, does anyone have anything about Prepared prior to that date?
I did 24 in EQ so I do 26 here, why not?
I really really think its a bit of a stretch to extrapolate from the fact I died clearing trash 4 times and won on the 5th that Ill never be able to do anything in this game .... but nice try.
Well professions are in the game and a lot of players do them. I spend most of today so far on professions, going to gear up a crew of 5 shaman so I can take in 4 and my pally and once they are in green and blues see how that changes things .... Made some nice blue gloves and some neck that reduces mellee hits by 2, that not sound like a lot but I bet it adds up.
Also how many people aoe with Shaman at level 22 or so? ...
We been through the "don't do professions" and "do only quests" matters and there is little logic in going over them for the 100th time.
If you have nothing to say about building computers, and appaently you don't, in a thread about building computers then why do you post?
Anyway my motherboards are on the way and I hope to have 30fps in Org during prime time!
And yet with a mere 270 posts at FoH i have the 3rd Highest Reputation (internets) of ALL posters at FoH, thats like 3rd out of 100,000 or so ....
http://www.fohguild.org/forums/membe...putation&pp=30
Ya there was problems with the first RAF, I dont dispute it. Nonetheless slow but sure wins the race.
good to see you're doing your research about Sam.
He is indeed currently failing at wow, big time. But he's trying.
And i think he doesn't give a frack about what people think about him, so you can keep on bashing him and look like an ass yourself, or ignore his threads :-)
I've changed my opinion on this whole sam-deathwalker-i'm-the-king thing, i'm now trying to offer real efficient advice in all his threads to try and get some results out of him.
After all, it would be awesome to see more action x 26 (or 36), and i guess that's what a community is for. Help.
Pity we don get more stuff from Prepared atm, but i guess he's busy finishing off his Raf and levelling.
Go go sam, you have a long way to go, but you're starting on instances so i'm pretty sure you'll start levelling up quicker from now on.
Unfortunately i have no idea how video cards/motherboards work so i'll stick to other threads.
use the i7 like the first guy said im using it with a 5box imo i could have looket for a hell of alot longer and not have goten a better 1Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Rin',index.php?page=Thread&postID=160448#post1604 48
All i can say is, why amd? had c2d really missed the boat vs amd by now?
I'v personally had good luck with AMD, and if you don't support amd then you might only have a single company to buy chips from in the future. But that being said you will not go wrong with the i7, which I am sure is surely better then what I have.
But i think for the price/performance mine is superior.
Intel Core i7 965 Extreme
3.20 GHz, DDR3-1333 (Bloomfield)
15364 Intel Core i7 940
2.93 GHz, DDR3-1066 (Bloomfield)
12839
Intel Core i7 920
2.66 GHz, DDR3-1066 (Bloomfield)
11479
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Black
3.20 GHz, DDR2-800 (Windsor)
9401
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+
3.00 GHz, DDR2-800 (Windsor)
8904 AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600+
2.80 GHz, DDR2-800 (Windsor)
8777 AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400+ Black
Intel Core i7 920
2.66 GHz, DDR3-1066 (Bloomfield)
11479
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Black
3.20 GHz, DDR2-800 (Windsor)
9401
Not much difference in performance between these two but big difference in price .... Well 20 percent better performance for I7. the 920 I7 is $272 and the 6400 AMD is about $110
I used to be a hardcore AMD fan but current core2duo/quadcore is superior to AMD equivalents, and i7 blows them all away.
I doubt anyone else is going to go beyond 10 boxing (doesnt make much sense in WOTLK really) but if anyone else is, the best bang/buck setup atm is 2-4 PCs, each a quad core (q9550 or q6600 OCd, deps on your budget) and each running 3 copies of WoW -- in a month or so the nvidia 260+s or 280s are going to drop to CRAZY prices as the new cards come out too. imo a AMD setup like Sam's is not going to be fun when running more than 1 wow in Wintergrasp/Dalaran, but it doesn't really matter since by the time he gets there it will be deserted and fast FPS.
In 6-8 months the i7's are going to reach $$ levels where they will be the new multiboxers platform of choice, but right now the motherboards and DDR3 memory are x2-x3 pricier than quadcore alternatives, for just a 30-50% performance boost. if money is no object then of course the top of the line i7 + 24GB of memory + Vista64 + the new upcoming quadSLI Nvidia card + Intel SSD will run 5-10 WoWs at 60fps with full graphics cranked on.
I kind of view Sam as the George Costanza of MMOs, you pretty much wanna do the exact opposite of anything he does. Kind of makes me feel bad that he is using a pally tank and shamans though, it probably means ele shamans will not receive too much love beyond patch 3.08 :(
Oh, two problems you are going to run into when 5 boxing 5 instances: (1) SFK is designed for level 13-21, beyond that the XP/hour is not great. Past level 25 its horrible, I think at 27 or so you will get 0 xp. Same issues with SM, you can zone in at 25, past 37 the XP is not that great. But 5 con-level characters will wipe a lot. (2) Most of the instances have runner mobs, it will screw up 5-5ing when each instance has mobs running in different ways and possibly aggroing new packs if not handled asap. I'm not concerned though, you killed the first trash pack in SFK after a lot of wipes so therefore you must have mastered it already.
If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
im not sure where you are getting those numbers sam but AMD cpus are garbage atm, they are good for the simple internet user ect.. but they suck for games, nevermind 5x boxin on one computer. infact 99% of the review sites dont even add AMD cpus to the test vs intel anymore because they just get killed so bad.
and im not being a fanboy, i have a ati/amd video card and i love it. but they just arnt upto par with intel atm. buy yourself some cheap used q9550s and some low end p45 boards and overclock them to 3.5-4ghz each. they dont have the ondie memory controler like amd does but they still should put up even numbers in that area.
if you really really want a ondie memory control and a smokein fast chip get some i7920s and OC them to 4ghz. should last you a few years. or atleast till all 26 of your toons are 80 :P
I get the figures from here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...-Read,808.html
Tomshardware and
http://www.anandtech.com/
Are ususally fairly reliable I thihnk.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...x1050,819.html
here is Intel a lot of better, my 5400+ BE is in your 6th or 8th or something here is it less, I guess this everest , what ever it is, maybe I'm just too tired now isn't maybe it isn't concipated (om... I hope this word exists and is what I meant to say) for More than 2 Cores and the I7 is just so damn powerfull that it rocks either it's made for more than 2 Cores or not.
Ok my does still get 80 fps but I guess for Power Intel kicks ass, Even if I always was a AMD fanboy, AMD was gaming CPU years ago but I guess they have to redesign their concept. (for Multiboxing purpose intel is ruling)
I don't know now what to do, get a Quadcore Intel (Q6600 or better) or get a X4 AMD Phenom, because I bought a Board that's AM2+able only because I thought AMD would make it, but for Multi boxing there's nothing that goes beyond Intels Quad (except i7 of course^^)
Guess that was totally crap, do what you want with this post ^^
It's not that I do not trust Tom's hardware, it's the opposite, but you can't just get your opinion on buying things if you just look in one corner of a room.
Btw I love what you're doing , If I had the money I would do it too *^^*
Ya thats the FPS charts and you would think that is the chart we should use. Because of that chart I put a 9550 on my main computer and moved the 6400 to my 2nd best computer.
I can say for 100 percent sure, my 6400 computer closes out FIVE instances of WoW way faster then my 9550 closes ONE instance. If you look at the FPS charts the 9550 is superior, BUT if you look at the memory bandwidth charts the 6400 is superior (and it measures superior on Sandra on my computers).
I have concluded that for multiboxing, and playing WOW (with a good video card) memory bandwidth speed is more important then number crunching speed. Given that the video calculation are done in the GPU the CPU dosnt really do a lot, it takes more time to get your textures and data from the ram to the processor and back to ram then it does to calculte that data when it gets there.
Might be true for Intel might not, I don't know.
Ya Intel I7 is no doubt superior and you will not go wrong with that choice.
But if you planing on 6 computers and need bang for the buck then AMD 6400 is the way to go.
I mean look at this chart the cheap lowly 4600 is FASTER at memory bandwidth then the top of the line 9950!:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...-Read,808.html
Why? because the 9950 has a clock speed of 2.6G:
Frequency: AMD Phenom Processor Model X4 9950, 9350e, 9150e / 2.6GHz, 2.0GHz, 1.8GHz
And the 6400 has a clock speed of 3.2G!
Now I see what this is ^^
So Quadcores do not really have a great advantage against 2Cores? if the 2 Cores have a enough GHz? hope I didn't mixed anything up^^
That means I do not have to upgrade my CPU in the next time 5400+ (black edition) @ 3,2 Ghz. But I can't imagine that 4 x 1,8 -2,6 is slower than 2 x 3,2.
Thx for that, know I'm a bit cleverer^^
This is just for memory bandwidth, not for actual computation after the data actually gets to the cores. 4 cores do more calculations and are faster then 2, BUT for our purposes moveing data around is more important as the GPU's are doing most of the work and the CPU's dont really have to do much number crunching. So for multiboxing higher clock rate is better, imho. In fact there is no doubt about it, like I say the computer which has the 6400 closes out FIVE instances of WoW before the 9550 computer closes out ONE instance.
AMD quads are priced pretty low these days. While I consider the Intel stuff to be better, if you are not buying the cutting edge I don't think it's that big an issue. And the price for an AMD quad + motherboard can be pretty good. I've run 4 x WoW on a 2.4GHz Core2Quad + 2GB memory with no problems (Radeon 4870, 800 x 600 and all details turned down). A 2.4-2.6GHz Phenom with a Radeon 4850 should do the job for 5 x WoW, shouldn't it?
As for Sam, this happens at pretty much every forum he goes to, so I just sort of tune out the extraneous stuff. If he is not going to listen to advice, well that is going to harm him or help him, and have no real effect on me. Prepared has his team at level 72(?) already. Sam is at 24-26. Whether or not he is king of the interwebz won't change that. Listening to good advice could change that, but you can only drag a Deathwalker to water, etc etc.