Another qq multiboxer wow thread.

[bugilt]

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6286518897&sid=1

This guy is still in denial.

[Vyndree]

Vyndree to the rescue!!!


Where's my wall of blue quote copy-paste text???? Arg!

[Tamu]

Here is the Blue response from that thread (for those who can't access the WoW forums):

Q u o t e:
since its inception IRL wealth was supposed to not be reflected ingame because, as we know from other MMOs where you can pay the publication company for ingame levels (or whatever), this turns into a "whoever is the biggest idiot and sinks the most money into the game wins" deal.... which is why buying gold is bannable, and so this should be as well

There are advantages AND disadvantages to multi-boxing. It is an alternative playstyle that honestly does not offer tremendous advantages to the multi-boxer, if anything, it's usually a greater challenge.

The are also a few key differences between multi-boxing and power-leveling or gold buying:

1. It is not against our Terms of Use, whereas the exchange of virtual items for real world currency is.

2. There are trade offs for a multi-boxer, and those that know how can completely ruin a multi-boxers day - it is not the 'across the board' advantage that you seem to believe that it is. A player that purchases gold selling circumvents in-game mechanics for a specific and unilateral advantage.

3. Significant financial investment only makes multi-boxing possible. In and of itself, that expenditure does not result in a real gain for any of the involved characters. [ Post edited by Malkorix ]

[Eteocles]

Hah thanks Tamu...I wasn't gonna ask this time cuz it's so close to quitting time but saves me time nonetheless ;D

[Khazrael]

Q u o t e:
since its inception IRL wealth was supposed to not be reflected ingame because, as we know from other MMOs where you can pay the publication company for ingame levels (or whatever), this turns into a "whoever is the biggest idiot and sinks the most money into the game wins" deal.... which is why buying gold is bannable, and so this should be as well

I love how people think it's completely idiotic to "sink" money into a game. Newsflash for you, time is money. Just like not everyone has as much money to invest in something, also do others simply not have the time to invest in something. I don't understand why someone can think it's ok to spend (solve for x here) hours of your life into a game, but then turn around and say it's idiotic to spend money.

[Vyndree]

Either the blue or the OP also changed the post title from "Multi-Boxing Hacker" to "IRL Wealth and the Multi-Boxing Advantage"

[Suvega]

Added the "Multiboxing QQ Thread Checklist"™

[kllrwlf]

Added the "Multiboxing QQ Thread Checklist"™

Awesome checklist. :thumbsup:

[Basilikos]

Added the "Multiboxing QQ Thread Checklist"™

I don't think I'm ever going to get tired of that checklist. Ever.

[omegazion]

I am glad that I was able to cuz this guy to start qqin, lol.

-Amizzle, 70 shammy

-Lovelyzion, 70 shammy

-Graceofzion, 70 shammy

-Sweetiezion, 70 shammy



ps. Xzin and Aellie is my inspiration to doin this multi-boxing thing, saw Xzin n the bg's hurtin folks, and I was like I am goin to do that, now I get a qq thread, lol.

[Tdog]

Vyndree to the rescue!!!


Where's my wall of blue quote copy-paste text???? Arg!Just do a search on you name in the forums, I'm sure you can just find one of your old posts and copy/paste.

[Anahka]

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5288579356&sid=1&pageNo=18#351

Some nice blue comments by Belfaire (scroll up a bit, I linked the last one). Very specific about broadcasting programs like Keyclone. It's all good.

For fun read the posts by Thortok. Example: " One player versus one player. As a soloist versus multiboxer, that is one character versus 5 characters. ".

He's saying he should win in a PvP situation because it's 1 person vs 1 person. Even though it's 5 characters vs 1 characters; he should win or at least it should be a balanced fight....

[Mak]

Oooo I love these threads! Off to reading since even though work just started, I'm already bored.

[Tonuss]

For fun read the posts by Thortok. Example: " One player versus one player. As a soloist versus multiboxer, that is one character versus 5 characters. ".
"Fun" isn't what I felt as I tried to slog my way through his lengthy posts that didn't say anything new. He went from saying "it's automation, and therefore against the ToS" to "well technically it's not against the ToS, but it's wrong" to "well, it's just that it's unfair" and so on.

In other words, someone who got rolled by a multiboxer and found the thread that says that this will be allowed to continue, and figured that he had some new angle on the discussion that would so shock Blizzard that they'd change their evil ways immediately.

So I simply hit him with the old standby: If Blizzard is really allowing people to ruin the game for money, then you are supporting this unethical/immoral attitude by continuing to play. So either quit, or admit that you're a hypocrite. I'm sure he'll be thrilled by that response, but I get tired of the old "Blizzard does it for the money" argument. They don't even realize what a moral dilemma they place themselves in by claiming that.

[tigger2577]

Actulaly this post resulted in a very good blue quote for the blue quots in the Wiki

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6286518897&sid=1&pageNo=4#68



I believe you are misinterpreting what Malkorix has said, Vomitious. I'll attempt to simplify his third point a bit for you.

Spending money in this fashion does not provide any one character with an advantage over another; however, it does make multi-boxing possible. If there is a multi-boxer playing 5 shaman, the financial investment plays no role in making the fifth shaman by itself any stronger than any other shaman. This is the point Malkorix has illustrated in point number 3.

Your argument revolves around Malkorix's second point. Clearly there is an advantage in that you are able to sync 5 spell casts at the same time; however, they lack the ability to act independently. I believe this weakness is foolishly overlooked most of the time. In most cases, well-organized groups of 5 individual players are much harder to match up against because they are able to work independently of one another preforming much more complex actions in response to their surroundings.

Multi-boxing is, currently, not in violation of any of our policies so long as the characters are not automated. If the player is required to push buttons to preform the appropriate actions, this is not considered botting as no automation is present. Each action preformed is the result of a player pressing a button.

[Anahka]

Yeah it's obvious when people complain because they lost to a multiboxer in PvP. Wonder if he's going to reply. Blue has been pretty damn clear.

We have one of these people on the EU forum also. Shows up in every thread, makes comments, ignores replies and keeps posting the same crap. Keeps re-defining HIS definition of automation/cheating. Annoying. Someone should invent bitchslap-over-ip.

[Poolboy]

suvega that checklist is pure gold =)

[Djarid]

Someone should invent bitchslap-over-ip.Now that is fried gold

[Djarid]

I think this pretty much sums up BLizzard's attitude to the whole QQ on multiboxing

"We have drawn a line. You're talking about automated behavior. Multiboxing is not automated. There is no automation. There is no great advantage, there is no illicit behavior, there is no overwhelming benefit, there is no automation. "

[Tehtsuo]

I'm waiting for someone to post a QQ about me on the battlegroup forums from this weekend. I started my token grind, and forced myself to do a few WSG matchs :shudder: I won all but one match, through the simple fact that my paladin is ridiculously overgeared for that bracket. I just plowed through the field with the flag, stopping every time an alliance rode at me. It took no less than 3 minutes from alliance base to horde base each time.

The last game I played (I gave up for the day for obvious reasons) I was assaulted by my own team. Standard complaints, blah blah blah. Two of the players started following me to spam /spit and such (reported) and generally not contributing to the game. It really started to get me pretty ticked off; not because I don't think my team is at a disadvantage in WSG though. I know the cards are stacked against me. I failed in that match because a mage discovered that a blink>dragon's breath combo kept me busy long enough I became pretty much ineffective. All it takes is one or two people to keep me from mounting up to catch up to a flag carrier.

The reason I was upset was because these people don't contribute. I recommended they /afk out, especially when I took the flag and held it at our base where my shaman team could hold up a defense indefinitely. They wanted me to drop it because it was going to take forever because my team couldn't go offense. Why couldn't the rest of them go retrieve our flag? Oh yeah, they were too busy harassing me. I noticed very quickly that I was the only one on my team above level 65, and the only one with decent gear. I really don't get why level 60 players can come into the game and tell me I'm the reason they're losing. :cursing:

I hate asshole solo boxers. Hate is a powerful word, but there it is.

[Djarid]

maybe a rash of QQ from us multi-boxers on the forums complaining about how the new gimp hinder our BGs is in order ;)

[Eteocles]

Plus if you sink to their level, they'll beat you with experience ;p

[Crucial]

The reason I was upset was because these people don't contribute. I recommended they /afk out, especially when I took the flag and held it at our base where my shaman team could hold up a defense indefinitely. They wanted me to drop it because it was going to take forever because my team couldn't go offense. Why couldn't the rest of them go retrieve our flag? Oh yeah, they were too busy harassing me. I noticed very quickly that I was the only one on my team above level 65, and the only one with decent gear. I really don't get why level 60 players can come into the game and tell me I'm the reason they're losing. :cursing:
I hate asshole solo boxers. Hate is a powerful word, but there it is.

Wow.. this sounds very familiar. WSG is especially bad due to the fact that you will take up half the team - your an easy target to blame for any loss regardless of whether that may be true or not. From winning enough games I know that its highly dependent on the other people playing with you - if they are too busy gawking or harassing you, it's almost a guaranteed loss (or turtle if you defend the flag). When it comes to battlegrounds, people are like switches when they see a multiboxer - when your team is winning they will praise you to no end, when your team is losing - look out, cause it's all your fault. Having tried to reason and justify multiboxing usually end up failing miserably, and with that in mind, the best way I've found to deal with these people is just to ignore them and move on. Developing a thick skin (without being an ass yourself) is probably one of the more difficult aspects of multiboxing I'd say.