WoW Forums Mbox hate

[Tiny_d]

Hey guys been boxing since Burning Crusade and while we all deal with the hate on an almost daily basis towards Multiboxing...
What the fudge has been going on with the official WoW forums the last 3 months?

Seem's every day several threads with a pitchforked mob demanding our playstyle be removed from game, what's with this surge in hate?
Some seem to confuse boxing and botting but there is definitely a large surge towards Boxing specifically.

I realise you cannot educate certain people, hate is gonna hate however I don't get this uptake in hate? What's changed?

[Tin]

Blizz failed game design that came with 8.3 - Small zone to farm Zin'anthid - 10 druid emty notes - powerfull Alchemy ToT. Most people only goes to Nazjatar to farm so more farmers are put in same phase/shard = less resources for everyone.
Now some says that it´s the multiboxers fault the prices is low = End of exp. and everyone is unloading, working from home and the hunt for the Dino.

[Jabberie]

Some seem to confuse boxing and botting

imho because the difference between "standstill farming" and "afk farming" is 1 autofire macro and both look the exact same to anyone else looking at it.

Hell, even Standstill and AFK are used by players and multiboxers alike as interchangable terms. They are not.

[Fuii]

imho because the difference between "standstill farming" and "afk farming" is 1 autofire macro and both look the exact same to anyone else looking at it.

Hell, even Standstill and AFK are used by players and multiboxers alike as interchangable terms. They are not.
Agreed.
Big part of those misconceptions is that afk-like farming that boxers are doing - a large portion of it actually streaming it to the world too which does not help at all.



Blizz failed game design that came with 8.3 - Small zone to farm Zin'anthid - 10 druid emty notes - powerfull Alchemy ToT. Most people only goes to Nazjatar to farm so more farmers are put in same phase/shard = less resources for everyone.
That's not the issue.

The concept of "always increasing numbers", be it itemization, currency or character abilities is a core issue of modern MMOGs and leads to an endless spiral of inflation of the own systems.

Combine that with the ultimate farming reward to extend your subscription for free by playing the game is just plain stupid and leads to the current situation.

[Kraxx]

There are now 3+ hate threads on the first page in the General Discussion Forum EU.
It's always about herbalism/gathering and instanced pvp.


If this continues I think we will see some new restrictions for multiboxing or something even worse....

[Tin]

After patch 8.3 did hit, several threads are made -almost a new one is made daylig, something you did not see before.

My guess after following wow forum and WoW Economy:
7 out of 10 complains - Is 10 druids sucking notes clean in Nazjatar.
2,5 out of 10 complains - 2x4 farming
0.5 out of 10 complains - Pvp related + software we use

And now that we a close to the end of this exp. and raid for most are over and herb/flask prices is down, people are moving to raw gold farming to get gold for the 5 mill Dino.
5 out of 10 complains - Is 10 druids sucking notes clean in Nazjatar.
4 out of 10 complains - 2x4 farming with now add disrupting zone - can`t do quest
1 out of 10 complains - Pvp related + software we use

And before changes to follow in pvp and WM introduction.
9 out of 10 complains - Pvp related
1 out of 10 complains -

[Tiny_d]

Some really interesting talking point's , glad i brought it up.

I do worry that Blizzard may cave in soon to the public pressure and restrict boxing, though trying to gauge if it's the same small band of no life's on the official forums making the situation seem worse than the general perception? The hate I receive in game has increased massively, I was even ousted from what I thought was a really tight guild in Classic just because a core group of 5/6 people didn't understand multiboxing (though they were fine with it when it helped them out odd eh?).

Just noticing a shift in game and yer I do wonder if things might change again for us as a community.

[Moorea]

totally agree that massive mboxer are causing harm to the community
and again I would totally be fine with a limit to 5x (at a time/in party + maybe 1 or 2 AH folks) but maybe it's because I'm mostly a 5 boxer; in exchange for follow back in all pvp for instance
(I suppose a 5 boxer complaining about a 40 boxer is the same as a solo complaining about a 5 boxer? jealousy?...)

[daviddoran]

I hope blizzard doesn't restrict multiboxing, but I feel like they might try to do something to prevent the massive multiboxers from playing.

Maybe something along the lines of restricting /follow and/or /assist to one battlenet, or a cap on the number of toons following/assisting another.

If they remove follow and assist altogether, that totally kills boxing for me.

[WOWBOX40]

People form their own groups to farm mobs that respawn all the time, to gain materials, gold, mounts, boe loots etc. How come thats all good, but when 1 player can have the power of 5... its hell on earth... (hint: the 4 other subs doesnt pay themselfs?).

Also, if anyone prevents people from getting their tags in, in order to complete quests... i thought this was known.. ofc, thats something you can get banned for. So i doubt that can be many... hopefully they learned very fast not to do it again..

[Chumbucket]

Seems to me one possible solution is to have MB friendly realms akin to RP realms. Then everyone can enjoy their play style.

[Tiny_d]

The hypocrisy the recent banning of a boosting service reported 40 billion gold traded during BFA alone and now that 40 billion removed from the economy and the same people crying about multiboxing ruining the economy are the ones spunking all their gold on paid boosts and yet claiming Multiboxers ruin the game..

Been "Reported" in /s yesterday over 10+ times.... What's with these idiots?

[WOWBOX40]

The hypocrisy the recent banning of a boosting service reported 40 billion gold traded during BFA alone and now that 40 billion removed from the economy and the same people crying about multiboxing ruining the economy are the ones spunking all their gold on paid boosts and yet claiming Multiboxers ruin the game..

Been "Reported" in /s yesterday over 10+ times.... What's with these idiots?



Most players are just not informed at all, what multiboxing is and can do, vs what is a botter is.

*I suspect when most people thinks of what a botter is, they imagine a "herb botter": then they assume its the same people who multibox, who also "bot the herb".


I just link the:

/s https://isboxer.com/multiboxing/is-isboxer-allowed

and carry on.


Cant really try talk to 99% of the people complaining, they are usually very angry and wont listen.



As long as you have a legit setup, there should be nothing to worry about.

Just imagine all the reports i must have gotten the last 10 years or so.

[Moorea]

i can’t seem to find a link on blizzard site anymore, I wanted to send that yesterday to someone claiming it was against the terms and conditions (the link above is on isboxer site and quite poor on actual wow content re multiboxing)

[WOWBOX40]

i can’t seem to find a link on blizzard site anymore, I wanted to send that yesterday to someone claiming it was against the terms and conditions (the link above is on isboxer site and quite poor on actual wow content re multiboxing)


You could always try contact the creator of isboxer and ask for a "even more up to date / even more detailed page to be made, with various links".

Also, maybe contact Blizzard and ask for another and up to date Blizzard stance, to be posted on the forums / EULA.

But ye, noone has yet been multiboxing using isboxer and been banned, solely because of using it (or else we also would be banned aaaages ago). So its obviously okey to use. Blizzard wont flat out come out in public stating that isboxer spesifically is "fine" though. Any software will be ok, as long as it follows their basic rules.


Its been like this for years.

And every so often a new big wave of complaints flow in.

And life carries on again like normal.


(if it was up to me, a small notice would pop up every so often, when normal players started their game, with a link that explained what multiboxing is and why its allowed. It would certainly lessen the amount of confussion, i think, but apparently this is not something Blizzard wants to do, so far anyway. If its a "playstyle" they allow, its only reasonable that people should be informed about it a lot better... but thats just me, i guess).

[Ellay]

With the expansion my gut feeling is the peak we are at right now will fizzle.
The pain points that are showing won't be apparent and some of them will no longer exist after many of the zones get shifted to a 1-50 leveling zone they won't be as lucrative as they are now, though new spots will open up in the expansion I imagine.
The dino mount availability is also going away.

With that I'm channeling positive WoW energy and all will be well.

For the alliance. :cool:

[z0k]

The hypocrisy the recent banning of a boosting service reported 40 billion gold traded during BFA alone and now that 40 billion removed from the economy and the same people crying about multiboxing ruining the economy are the ones spunking all their gold on paid boosts and yet claiming Multiboxers ruin the game..

I've been doing more solo play the last week or so, trying to get Keystone Master before pre-patch.

It's absolutely mind boggling to me how much people pay for boosts, whether that be 5 mask, M+15, Heroic/Mythic raids. Like if anything is killing the game, it's these jabronis buying all these boosts to circumvent the fact that they don't want to gear up their characters in a linear progression.

What I really don't understand is the point. Like they made LFR and Normal raids compared to heroic/mythic which is probably what the old normal/heroic were so that people could experience the content. Now, people buy those experiences not so they can achieve the goal, but rather so they can increase some random point on their character screen so they can do the same content anyways? Just for it to be irrelevant in 2-3 months? I truly don't understand it.

[Tiny_d]

With the expansion my gut feeling is the peak we are at right now will fizzle.
The pain points that are showing won't be apparent and some of them will no longer exist after many of the zones get shifted to a 1-50 leveling zone they won't be as lucrative as they are now, though new spots will open up in the expansion I imagine.
The dino mount availability is also going away.

With that I'm channeling positive WoW energy and all will be well.

For the alliance. :cool:

DIE Alliance scum!!! ;-)

Agree with all said, just not seen in this bad in the last 10 years was all, I normally dont try and educate people as they dont want to know.... they want to moan.

Anyways


FOR THE HORDE!! :cool:

[Moorea]

You could always try contact the creator of isboxer and ask for a "even more up to date / even more detailed page to be made, with various links".

Also, maybe contact Blizzard and ask for another and up to date Blizzard stance, to be posted on the forums / EULA.


There was at some point a stance, right now I can't find anything
https://us.battle.net/support/en/search?q=multiboxing
is empty

can't find a blue post either on forums

that's what I'd like to send folks to (not a content free page that anyone could write and thus argue about)

[Tin]

on the Eu there is one - US is gone from my saved links:
Multiboxing
https://eu.battle.net/support/en/article/24258

Third Party Software Allowed
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/13078

[Moorea]

> https://eu.battle.net/support/en/article/24258

thanks! wonder why not in US as well but this will do

[WOWBOX40]

There used to be a huuuge collection somewhere of Blizzards blue posts replies, regarding peoples questions about their multiboxing stance, from around 2008 -->. Best i could find right now are these samples (scroll a bit down, some posts there): https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/38173-changes-to-multiboxing-in-battle-for-azeroth/

(it can be hard to read at times, as peoples questions also are in blue text, then blizzards reply).

Found more, but the links are for the older official wow forums, so it wont show. Did they really make the old forums totally unavailable.. ohwell.


Aha... found more:
https://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/38904-multiboxing-rules-and-semantics/

(maybe mmo champ has a newer collection somewhere)

[Tiny_d]

As if the community needed it Asmongold last night with 50k viewers has a girl on his Discord complainnig how Multiboxing should be banned and Asmoron agreeing that multiboxing shouldn't be allowed.

Mostly the economic problems caused were given as to the hate, and pay to win, however everyone seems to skip over the 40 Billion gold Galliwicks admits to during BFA in paid boost services.....
So basically the majority complaining about multiboxing being pay to win are buying boosts (Pay to win) and enjoying cheap herb prices.... lol

[Tin]

Asmongold is just bad for the whole wow community - like he complains that he can not play copyrightet music and got a strike on twitch. Things are only bad if he does not do it himself. He has no morals, and not one to look up to - but unfortunately has many "sheeps" that follows him.

Negative opinion streams have become popular.

[Moorea]

There used to be a huuuge collection somewhere of Blizzards blue posts replies, regarding peoples questions about their multiboxing stance, from around 2008 -->. Best i could find right now are these samples (scroll a bit down, some posts there): https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/38173-changes-to-multiboxing-in-battle-for-azeroth/

(it can be hard to read at times, as peoples questions also are in blue text, then blizzards reply).

Found more, but the links are for the older official wow forums, so it wont show. Did they really make the old forums totally unavailable.. ohwell.


Aha... found more:
https://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/38904-multiboxing-rules-and-semantics/
[...]


Yeah, unfortunately none of these link actual visible blue posts on blizzard.com/worldofwarcraft.com

[Moorea]

https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/24258
funny, I tried this yesterday and it wasn't there. now it's there.... hopefully to stay... will macro that in

[Tin]

May just be a update in there support article - my old bookmark did go to support/en/article/11704 and now the US has the same number as EU.

[WOWBOX40]

Seems there is a guy boxing 24 (12 dks and 12 shamans) in the ashran bg, pewpew-ing and collecting those honorpoints.

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/multiboxers-breaking-the-game/175179

and

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/multiboxer-in-epic-battleground-see-screens/176337

[Tin]

And this one with video of farming

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/igb7p0/i_hate_to_join_the_multiboxers_are_bad_club_but/

[WOWBOX40]

There is in fact one thing i just realized...

The few times i play solo or with 5 or below number of characters, i see a LOT of people around me. Its amazing.

When i use more characters, i hardly see anyone.

Maybe im prioritized to "be in my own phase" ?


I also get questions quite often how many i play, even though i got them spread out (cant you people count? and none of them are "phased" on my screen).


I notice the odd time im going to camp for a rare to respawn, many people are there, as i fly in.. then suddenly... its just me... and a couple people, if that. Everyone else = vanished out of thin air.

"out of sight, out of mind" ?? :p

[boxblizzard]

Since boxing early stages around 2008, and recently returned for some classic bash.

the hate perception I get from players since my return is in a new league, I am instantly branded as a botter and people taking screenshots and sending them off.
we are all potentially a victim of future ban waves potentially due to automated systems.

but I believe this was inevitable because end of the day we are playing the game the way it was not designed and therefore were always going to be blamed for doing things differently even if it has been considered acceptable by blizzard. I love my boxing always have I like a challenge and I like doing things by myself due to my schedule.

I don’t want put a downer on it but we are really up against a horrible crowd of people and as it has been mentioned above it really does feel like we are an abomination on the verge of being pushed out with pitchforks and torches.

The bottom line is originally multi boxing was frowned on for so-called unfair advantages in player versus player it has then moved on to botting because gold farmers/bots are taking advantage and using multi boxing and therefore creating a poor image.

so now we are up against multiple cases.

I feel like we are becoming a rare breed and if we show our faces we will get shots like big game and we’re not going to be around long enough, if I’m in the open where others quest or in cities I literally feel sometimes I’m on eggshells because how do I know I’m going to get randomly banned within the next week or month or next wave.

this is not scaremongering this is just what everyone is thinking and we are their customers to this as opposed to the sellers so therefore we feel threatened.

we have to look at trends and we have to look at the way things are moving in a direction and right now historically this is heading in a consistent direction and not improving so therefore ultimately something is going to happen, because money is always the influence of all things chances are my boxing will always exist however they may make subtle changes to please the pitchforks.

so who knows what’s going to happen I just hope I can still play without any issues but these days do not feel the same as they once were back in the day.

we should all stick together playing what we love to do and voice our opinions to blizzard if we can where we can so we can continue to do what we love today.

My 50 Cent

PS this was written by voice recognition so please excuse some of the structure of this message.

[WOWBOX40]

Personally i couldnt care less if they removed herb and/or mining to be possible / banned from doing it at the same time on multiple accounts.
(if people want to go back and hunt for a single node, like they used to back in the days, vs what we have now (atleast now you have a chance to get loot (unless a 10boxer grabbed it all recently), then go for it.

If they want to ban people from "stand still farming very fast respawning mobs", they have many options on how to fix that too (by the way this seems to be the "new go-to method for botters", as the botters competition for herbs etc got difficult for them, because of the current herbs popularity?).



I dont care if they banned multiboxing in the biggest Bg's too.



Time will tell if they will do anything about any of this. Its been like this since legion now.. nothing happened yet.

If they were indeed trying to fix things (instead of just nerfing the loot drops), but is having difficulty finding solutions so far (but they hope to eventually), they could just announce and updated their "ToS" to include that ..... aka: "so and so activity is from now on bannable".

[WOWBOX40]

"Ashran fan at work"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR-AGzfUk0M&t=1s&ab_channel=Archvaldor%27sWarcraftHac ks

[MiRai]

I didn't realize I was so late to this thread, but I'll just toss out a few replies to give my thoughts on the matter.


Blizz failed game design that came with 8.3 - Small zone to farm Zin'anthid - 10 druid emty notes - powerfull Alchemy ToT. Most people only goes to Nazjatar to farm so more farmers are put in same phase/shard = less resources for everyone.
Now some says that it´s the multiboxers fault the prices is low = End of exp. and everyone is unloading, working from home and the hunt for the Dino.
I do tend to agree with this stance since those who are creating the threads are overwhelmingly focused on Nazjatar and Zin'anthid, when there are zero complaints about any other herb or ore found throughout any BFA zones (even Osmenite, which is only found in Nazjatar). Every other resource that can be gathered in the outside world is readily available in high quantities for anyone to go out and gather for themselves.

Now, whether you can label the Nazjatar/Zin'anthid situation to be "failed" or not, is a different topic altogether.


It's funny the player base blames multiboxers. The AFK and Standstill farmers both claim it's blizzards fault they're grinding so hard to get the 5 million gold bruto mount.

As usual, the typical multiboxer gets caught in the middle. What I feel is important for people to remember is it's *always* been like this. People have always, and will always hate on multiboxers and not understand it.

IMHO Ultimately we the multiboxing community have to be the examples for others to make up for the bad actors. This is also how it's *always* been. If you've been around here long enough you'll know we've had to throw out some of these bad actors from the community. It's also important to remember while we are the multiboxing community, there is more than one multiboxing community. It's not just limited to this site. Or ISBoxer forums, or even DB discord and ISB discord. We are represented by them, and are representative of them in the same way. We have to lead by example.

I've dipped my toe in some stand still farming to see what the fuss is about. It's neat. It's boring as hell and I have no idea *why* people would spend hours and hours doing it, but that's not for me to understand.

I still feel strongly that people multiboxing 20+ accounts to standstill farms are doing more harm than good to the overall community. They're the ones disrupting zones by tagging all the mobs or making it impossible to quest, or running around killing everyone in sight in world PvP. If you're out there running your own 2x4 team more power to you. But if you're having to fight someone running two, three, or four times the number of toons it's just silly. It comes down to greed and narcissism. As much fun as it is to watch 20 toons destroy people coming in one at a time to run a dungeon I remember what it's like to be the solo character and it sucks.
Amen, brother.



I hope blizzard doesn't restrict multiboxing, but I feel like they might try to do something to prevent the massive multiboxers from playing.

Maybe something along the lines of restricting /follow and/or /assist to one battlenet, or a cap on the number of toons following/assisting another.

If they remove follow and assist altogether, that totally kills boxing for me.
I don't want to sound as if I have the answer, or as if my ideas are easy to implement, but it'd be great if Blizzard changed BNet accounts to hold up to 10 non-PTR/beta WoW licenses, and then they could potentially apply some restrictions around that limitation. The reason I would like 10 is because there will always be a group of multiboxers who will want to challenge themselves by raiding, and 10 is obviously the minimum number required to do that.

However, such a change would be Blizzard showing some level of support for multiboxing, and if they were to go with the choice of restricting follow and/or assist, two base functions of the game, to only an account-wide function, that would restrict normal, everyday players from using it. So, I don't see them moving in that direction.

On the other hand, I could get behind the idea of a limit to the number of players that can follow you, but they might need to do some further math behind the scenes to calculate the total number of players being followed in a "connected mesh" of sorts and limiting it that way. Otherwise, mass-multiboxers could just create follow trains to stay under the total cap.



Seems to me one possible solution is to have MB friendly realms akin to RP realms. Then everyone can enjoy their play style.
At this point, it's probably too far ingrained into Retail to begin specifying server types or restrictions (unless they're providing some free transfers and other services to make the move), but I was hoping that Blizzard would designate some of the upcoming TBC/Wrath re-release expansion realms to be either boxing-friendly or not, so that we don't see the same situation that we see on Classic.

However, unless they simply disable follow and/or assist on those realms, the need to police multiboxing would create additional work for Blizzard.



Hey guys been boxing since Burning Crusade and while we all deal with the hate on an almost daily basis towards Multiboxing...
What the fudge has been going on with the official WoW forums the last 3 months?

Seem's every day several threads with a pitchforked mob demanding our playstyle be removed from game, what's with this surge in hate?
Some seem to confuse boxing and botting but there is definitely a large surge towards Boxing specifically.

I realise you cannot educate certain people, hate is gonna hate however I don't get this uptake in hate? What's changed?

The hypocrisy the recent banning of a boosting service reported 40 billion gold traded during BFA alone and now that 40 billion removed from the economy and the same people crying about multiboxing ruining the economy are the ones spunking all their gold on paid boosts and yet claiming Multiboxers ruin the game..

Been "Reported" in /s yesterday over 10+ times.... What's with these idiots?
Finally, I have to ask... Is this you on Twitch?



[twitch.tv/Tiny__D] LIVE: World's best multiboxer, better than you poor solo players!
[twitch.tv/Tiny__D] LIVE: Multiboxing champion, solo players sux!
[twitch.tv/Tiny__D] LIVE: Multiboxing champion, crushing dweebs dreams.
[twitch.tv/Tiny__D] LIVE: Multibox King, breaking solo players hearts all over the World of Warcraft.

If so, I have to wonder why you're confused as to how we're in this current situation, or even why the hate against multiboxers continues to grow?

[Purpleflavor]

Finally, I have to ask... Is this you on Twitch?



[twitch.tv/Tiny__D] LIVE: World's best multiboxer, better than you poor solo players!
[twitch.tv/Tiny__D] LIVE: Multiboxing champion, solo players sux!
[twitch.tv/Tiny__D] LIVE: Multiboxing champion, crushing dweebs dreams.
[twitch.tv/Tiny__D] LIVE: Multibox King, breaking solo players hearts all over the World of Warcraft.

If so, I have to wonder why you're confused as to how we're in this current situation, or even why the hate against multiboxers continues to grow?

@Tiny_d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUu9nzOWh9w

[Facedthemusic]

So, I've only been boxing for a little over a year now. In the last ~7 years of WoW retail, it's been very obvious that Activision/Blizzard is becoming more and more profit driven.

From a purely profit standpoint, they would be losing probably a fair amount of revenue if they banned boxing altogether.

Here's to hoping it never goes away!

[Generalbrock]

I've posted in several of the threads on the WoW forums and most people seem pretty supportive of multi-boxing. It seems to be the same few people constantly trying to stir the pot on the forums. I don't think there has been a large upswell of multi-boxing hatred of anything like that. To this day, most of the people I meet in the world are friendly and curious about how I multi-box.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I've posted in several of the threads on the WoW forums and most people seem pretty supportive of multi-boxing. It seems to be the same few people constantly trying to stir the pot on the forums. I don't think there has been a large upswell of multi-boxing hatred of anything like that. To this day, most of the people I meet in the world are friendly and curious about how I multi-box.Yes. This sums up the entire debate. Most of the folks I see in the world think it's cool and because I'm helpful when I see someone fighting an elite or getting swarmed, they are usually appreciative.

On social media, though, it's usually one or more of:

* That looks easier than my solo play, ergo it must be BAD.
* I don't know how to do that so it must be cheating and, ergo, BAD.
* They seem to have a lot of money, ergo it must be BAD.
* They have things I haven't been able to get in the game, ergo they must be BAD people.
* They can run their own dungeons while I have to do sucky queues, ergo it is BAD.
* They have massive advantages in every aspect of WoW. No, I don't have to state specifics because it's obvious. It is therefore BAD. Because. You disagree? You're probably an asshole. (see also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzmLFEC014A)
* I am now a popular person in WoW and have been playing it for years and I don't like that playstyle because reasons, ergo it is BAD, because I said so.
* That person is doing something that we used to do but they are doing it better than we did, but that's not competence or research or practice -- it must be because they are cheating and ergo BAD.
* People I like and that I want to like me said this was wrong and abusive and evil and terrible and mean and thus BAD.

Back when we multiboxers were rare, it was understandable that people would fear the unknown. Nowadays, though, it's metastasized from typical ignorant internet clout chasers spewing logical fallacies into pathological mobs. It's odd how many people latch onto something they see online or in the news and parrot the desired talking points, even though the thing they profess to hate largely does not affect them and is neither illegal or immoral. It goes further downhill when these ill-informed Champions Of The Downtrodden see themselves as a valued part of a community, think anyone in said community gives a damn about them, internalize that, and then adopt a "defending the community from the evils of <insert bad thing>" mode of behavior. I suppose this is the necessary end result of people not learning any lessons from history or classic literature. Or just never learning how to resist peer pressure. The Madness of Crowds, indeed.

[Andreauk]

How would you feel if they added multiboxer servers?

I'd rather that than lose boxing altogether.

[Ikevink]

How would you feel if they added multiboxer servers?

If we're going down something like that route, I'd rather it be inverted. ie make specific servers where multiboxing is not allowed. And then watch no one play there cause "everything is too expensive".

[daviddoran]

I play with friends in addition to boxing, so segregating multiboxing would be tough on me.

[Purpleflavor]

I play with friends in addition to boxing, so segregating multiboxing would be tough on me.

yep.

also people are overestimating the amount of multiboxers there are. You could not fill a sever with them at all. Maybe it could bring a lot of people to try multiboxing though and eventually have a semi-populated server.

[Fat Tire]

Nowadays, though, it's metastasized from typical ignorant internet clout chasers spewing logical fallacies into pathological mobs. It's odd how many people latch onto something they see online or in the news and parrot the desired talking points, even though the thing they profess to hate largely does not affect them and is neither illegal or immoral. It goes further downhill when these ill-informed Champions Of The Downtrodden see themselves as a valued part of a community, think anyone in said community gives a damn about them, internalize that, and then adopt a "defending the community from the evils of <insert bad thing>" mode of behavior. I suppose this is the necessary end result of people not learning any lessons from history or classic literature. Or just never learning how to resist peer pressure. The Madness of Crowds, indeed.

You have just described the evolution of the entire internet.

[jak3676]

Evolution of the internet:

Facebook, Instagram, Google, Twitter, and YouTube, have annexed more and more of our lives. Anytime you are provided with a service, like Facebook, for free, you are in fact the product being sold. Social media companies are basically giant behavior-modification systems that use algorithms to relentlessly increase “engagement,” largely by evoking bad feelings in the people who use them.

Social media platforms are addictive and even harmful. Their algorithms make people feel bad, divide them against one another, and actually change who they were, in an insidious and threatening manner. Because of this, social media is in some ways worse than cigarettes, in that cigarettes don't degrade you. They kill you, but you're still you. People who are addicted to their social media platform of choice are like all addicts—on the one hand miserable, and on the other hand very defensive about it and unwilling to blame the platform.

More than just advertising, these companies actually make their money by selling the ability to modify your behavior to “advertisers,” who sometimes come in the old form of people who want to persuade you to buy soap but who now just as often come in the form of malevolent actors who want to use their influence over you to, say, influence elections or radicalize the disenfranchised. In exchange for likes and retweets and public photos of your kids, you are basically signing up to be a data serf for companies that can make money only by addicting and then manipulating you.

Because of all this, and for the good of society, you should do everything in your power to quit.

Not my own thoughts above - pulled from an interview with Jaron Lanier. I think its just the same with wow forums and just about every other form of interaction online. Sorry for the OT

[EaTCarbS]

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Gotta say I agree with all of it. The older I get, the less forums and social media I engage in. Ten years ago I was a prolific poster on the wow forums. What a waste of time. This place will always be bookmarked though. ;)

[kate]

I'd be interested in an "anything goes" kind of server - bots, hacks, whatever exploits the playerbase can come up with. It would let people try out weird stuff, it would give Blizzard more examples of things in the wild that would let them further improve detection and such for hacks on real servers, etc.

Even better - add a bug bounty for people. Come up with a novel exploit or hack? Depending on the severity, prizes could range from a month of game time to some rare cosmetic thing to actual real life cash.

[schmonz]

Even better - add a bug bounty for people. Come up with a novel exploit or hack? Depending on the severity, prizes could range from a month of game time to some rare cosmetic thing to actual real life cash.

Not very likely from Blizzard. They do not really embrace criticism. It is more like the opposite.

[kate]

Yes, I'm sure they won't do such a thing, but it would be fun.

Be in a guild with friends, or at least friendly people, or just have discord in the background and chat with people, turn off general and trade and it's remarkable how much less toxic the game becomes.