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[bugme143]

I got to ask tools what is your setup? I've been looking to upgrade to go back to my 30+ accounts and want to enjoy these times again :D

Not very tech savy despite eve and isboxer, I am looking at somethint 3000$ at most.
1575


:eek:
Mate, I think I just came in my pants. Do you have a hi-rez version of that?
Also, you should totally chill with us in-game.

[fknra]

o/
as for system, I run 13 accounts in windowed mode with low graphics on 10 of them and normal high graphics on 3 of them. I run boxer on my 2 logi/nestors and the rest are just stacked (see ToS's) setup.
I run:
i5-2500k at 4.5ghz (60c with a coolermaster 212)
32gb 1866 Gskill (they had a deal, i've never maxed out ram)
GTX9704gbDDR5 x2 SLI
Asrock extreme4 gen3 z68
1 250gb Samsung 850 (plus assorted HDDs)
1000TS EVGA power supply

Right now the bottleneck is the CPU but it's working fine for me so i'll probably just wait till the FPS games I play need more CPU juice.
I'll probably end up picking up an i7-3930 if i ever want to run more than 15 accounts at once, but I've never had issues with framerate with the current system. The biggest hassle is actually logging in. the loggin screen where you click on the one of 3 toons on the account is the highest resource intensive part of the process, (I do LOVE the new beta launcher tho that allows you to select the toons you want to play and it automatically logs them in.) but it's still annoying that you can't move the window names around in the task bar. so if you have a particular order you like to play with ie: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 and say 5 disconnects, when you log it back in, it is now 1,2,3,4,6,7,8,9,10,5.... I hate that...

Will O'neal

[Krops]

I wish I had an HQ. That was a while back and my friend and I were dicking around. He only recorded with the settings at the time, 720p. :(

In any case, sweet. Yeah i've been a bit of a lurker but inactivity as well. You will start seeing me in channels now :)

[bugme143]

I wish I had an HQ. That was a while back and my friend and I were dicking around. He only recorded with the settings at the time, 720p. :(

In any case, sweet. Yeah i've been a bit of a lurker but inactivity as well. You will start seeing me in channels now :)
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[Tool of Society]

I managed to get some recordings of the primary screen done tonight. Here's what I consider my highlight of the night a 6 minute 17 second OTA tick. I had some delay at the start and at the end because shadowplay's hotkeys don't work when an eve window is the focus.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVykdNib6g4

I'm averaging about 7 minutes pre tick. NCOs and NMCs are both sitting a little over 7 minutes on average. It's almost faster to do NCOs now for my current setup. The ability to split dps on that last wave and actually hit stuff is really handy.

Ran last night purely with the 2 gecko 3 hob IIs and 5 ogres.

The 2 gecko 3 hob IIs outperformed the 2geck 2 hammerhead 1 hobgoblin setup by a good amount. That caused the gap between the gecko setup and the ogre setup to widen. The hammerheads dying off really hurt overall damage.

The gecko/hob setup did 21% more damage than the 5 t2 ogres overall last night. That's a pretty substantial difference in overall damage done. I'm going to swap the ogres for some augmented ogres and see what the difference is then.

EDIT : Augmented ogres are around 6% behind gecko/hob on damage done for the night. For auga/deltole/romi the geckos weren't as far ahead. The few NCOs I ran caused some of the spread as the ogres couldn't apply dps anywhere near as effectively as the geckos.

I'm sticking to gecko/hob because they are more effective in NCOs, receive less aggro, and handles the aggro better.

[bugme143]

I keep putting this off, but here it is
The analysis of Hai's WhipSnake

Hai cooked this thing up a while back. I don't know exactly when, but even I didn't get two sentences out in the channel about using them before he perked up and posted the fit he'd worked on. So without further ado, the fit!



[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake]


Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II


Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script


Drone Link Augmentor II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Light Missile I
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Light Missile I
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Light Missile I
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Light Missile I
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Light Missile I


Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II




Garde II x2
Ogre II x2




Scourge Auto-Targeting Light Missile I x100
Optimal Range Script x3
Tracking Speed Script x2


The specs:
86.7k EHP no boosts. Lowest resist Therm at 66.9%.
4.05 AU/s with HG Ascendancies.
1071 DPS Scourge Autos and Ogres.
959 DPS Scourge Autos and Gardes.
Scourge Autos reach 50.6km at a speed of 6750 m/s, 30m explosion radius, 255 m/s explosion velocity.

His fleet doctrine consists of 2 Basis, a Vindi DDD, a Bhaalgorn DDD, and then a bunch of these. That fleet comp can get some impressive site times thanks to the ranged webs of the Bhaalgorn (+100% range bonus to webs at V not counting links) when used with the sentries, and the powerful "Sit down and shut up" webs of the Vindicator (90% "stop moving" factor per Fed web at V) for the heavies.

It's much more click-intensive than, say, my AutoRaven concept (next post), or a certain German's Barghest setup, but the DPS difference may make some people head for it over the others.

[iThirdAge Solette]

Hello, i havent run incursions for a while, i have been living solo in a wh with my alts, and while its not as profitable, its a lot of fun, i have actually got some awesome footage of some fights i had while multiboxing :P

However im considering going back to in incursions for a while, when i did it i was with 6 sentry domis, 1 ongrid eos wich was the ddd and a nestor, the domis would put each 1 medium rep on the nestor, altough not optimal i have to admit it was fun. Atm i am quite limited in the setups i can use due to not having enough alts trained.

I have however some questions with the setups you guys posted, for example, if you are using a vindi why use a second bhaal? Am i missing anything? Because i think it could be better to just use a loki, unless you want the extra dps?
What is the state of auto-targeting missiles right now? I dont have my pc to test them now, but i heard from some people that they were still quite bugged.

Happy christmas and HF with the incursions :D

[bugme143]

Hello, i havent run incursions for a while, i have been living solo in a wh with my alts, and while its not as profitable, its a lot of fun, i have actually got some awesome footage of some fights i had while multiboxing :P

However im considering going back to in incursions for a while, when i did it i was with 6 sentry domis, 1 ongrid eos wich was the ddd and a nestor, the domis would put each 1 medium rep on the nestor, altough not optimal i have to admit it was fun. Atm i am quite limited in the setups i can use due to not having enough alts trained.

I have however some questions with the setups you guys posted, for example, if you are using a vindi why use a second bhaal? Am i missing anything? Because i think it could be better to just use a loki, unless you want the extra dps?
What is the state of auto-targeting missiles right now? I dont have my pc to test them now, but i heard from some people that they were still quite bugged.

Happy christmas and HF with the incursions :D

People run 2 DDDs in case one gets jammed. I must be the only idiot on the server where my Huginn never takes primary from Niarjas. Also, some people split their sentries in half and assist 1/2 to one DDD and the other half to the other DDD. It can increase site times drastically, but I've never done it myself. If Solace is still up, that'd be a good place to try it out, especially with Nestor logi to use their drones as well.

Autos aren't quite as bugged as they used to be. Just make sure you got Friendly Fire turned off before you take 'em out.

[Mike Lonestarr]

I m almost done training up a new patch of alts for my Rattlesnake setup. I m actually very happy you posted the above, so I can compare my fits. I m still playing around with them a bit.

My current setup is gona be: 1 x DDD Vindicator (3 webs, 2 paints), 8 x Rattlesnakes with Fed Garde, 2 x Nestor with some Drone DPS and 1 x OGB Astarte.

The Rattlesnakes chars are fairly new, so everything is very low skill and T1 stuff. I plan to use Auto-target Cruise Missile, so I can switch to normal cruise missile to snipe some rats that are far off. But maybe rapid lights are a better choice afterall. We will see. I also like the Bhal idea.

This setup is skilling towards Golems with Auto Target Missile.
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I ran some site with my old setup: 8 x Nightmares, 2 x Nestor, 1 x OGB Astarte, and it was VERY click intensive. Eventually I started to find some tactics to take the work load off a bit, but its still requires an almost 100 percent focus. Basically I made two groups, the first 4 Nightmares would kill the small stuff, while the other 4 would concentrate on bigger rats. This gives you more time to focus on the small rats.

I would love to hear more about tactics on targeting/killing the rats efficiently with gun setups. Not sure though, if there are any pilots here, who have the expirience.

[bugme143]

So apparently, the Barghest does more DPS than the Raven, and more than a Golem.
With that in mind, I decided to play with PYFA a bit.


[Barghest, PewPewPew]


Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Missile Guidance Enhancer II


Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script


Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]


Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II


The stats:
95.2k EHP (I get 91.8 if I swap an invuln for an LSE. I'll probably use dual c-types for 112k EHP)
812 DPS Scourge Auto no implants. 975 DPS with missile clone and faction lows.
3.48 AU/S warp without a clone. 5.64 with clone.

Price tag as listed: 1.09b (not counting any implants)

It's a bit of a gank magnet at that price tag. Can get 3x standard Ravens at that price.

[iThirdAge Solette]

i am planning on trying some sites with a nightmare setup in a couple of days, i will start with a shield fleet and maybe i will later switch to armor, any suggestions on how to get more efficient with nightmares? i have to admit i am a bit scared about the click "intensiveness" :P

i am actually very curious on how those barghest's work, do you have any site times or videosi can check out?

[bugme143]

i am planning on trying some sites with a nightmare setup in a couple of days, i will start with a shield fleet and maybe i will later switch to armor, any suggestions on how to get more efficient with nightmares? i have to admit i am a bit scared about the click "intensiveness" :P

i am actually very curious on how those barghest's work, do you have any site times or videosi can check out?

Barghests were a "Proof of Concept" idea. I was going to run my Ravens and/or the Barghests during the Solace test server event but RL decided that it was having none of that.

I'm currently 6b or so, give or take, away from reactivating the alts.

[Mike Lonestarr]

i am planning on trying some sites with a nightmare setup in a couple of days, i will start with a shield fleet and maybe i will later switch to armor, any suggestions on how to get more efficient with nightmares? i have to admit i am a bit scared about the click "intensiveness" :P

i am actually very curious on how those barghest's work, do you have any site times or videosi can check out?

As I mentioned on my other post, I ran just recently a few sites with a Nightmare setup: 8 x Nightmares, 2 X Nestor, 1 x Astarte, 1 x Venture

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Befor the nerf I ran 10 x Nightmares and only 1 x Nestor, but I prefered having the second Nestor as safety, since I can't kill the damage rats fast enough. But I think in time, with a good setup, kill strategy and muscle memory it could work.
Anyway, so, its certantly ALOT of clicking. At the begining I didnt had a kill strategy at all and tried to lock everything with all Nightmares, but that doesnt work, its to slow, to many clicks.

In the end, I settled on this tactic:

Split the nightmares into 2 groups. Group A concentrates on all the small rats, with prioritys on Niarjas and Tamas, while Group B shoots the big rats like Augas and Romis. Since Group B has longer to kill stuff, it gives you more time with Group A to lock and kill the smaller rats.

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Example with 8 Nightmares: Group A = 4 Nightmares, Group B = 4 Nightmares

After warp in, Group A locks and activates guns on the Niarja, and locks additional 2 or 3 Tamas. Then with Group B lock and activate guns on one Auga/Romi. At this time, Group A has killed the Niarja, so activate the guns again and start locking for more Tamas (like 3-4). While Group A is still locking all those small rats (and you activating the guns every 3 second), lock the rest of the big rats with Group B (they probably still shooting the Romi, if its an Auga, its probably dead allready). Thats it, now concentrate on Group A while monitoring Group B occasionally.
When there are only a few rats left, depending whats on the field, Group A ether helps with killing the big rats or Group B starts locking the small rats that Group A hasnt locked yet.

Make sure targets dont overlap from Group to Group, only exception is when killing the big rats (moar DPS!!!)

Oh, I almost forgot, each Group has 2 webs and 2 Paints. Its not ideal, best would be Groups a 5, with 3 webs and 2 paints I guess. Or something like that.

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There is probably alot of room for improvements, but it cuts the clicking in half with 2 dedicated Groups. Other Ideas I had are: having special fits for each group, or having a dedicated webber/painter (i.e. Vindicator) - thats all. I just ran like 20 sites or so with the Nightmares. Now its all Rattlesnakes baby!!! .... its soooo relaxing compared to it ;)

I hope this helps or gives you some idea. Cheers and have fun!!!!

[Mokoi]

so uh, dont you worry about being banned using the software as you are? Isn't that against the TOS now?

[bugme143]

so uh, dont you worry about being banned using the software as you are? Isn't that against the TOS now?

Software is not banned. Input broadcasting is. Nobody here's using that. Most of us are using "F1 and done" Autotargeting missiles.

[thedevilyouknow]

As bugme has said, (countless times mind you i think i've seen him on reddit a few times) No one is using Input broadcasting, however as you have said, personally I am worried about using it since ive already had first strike, however i might go back to using it since I am reaching the point where it wouldn't be a huge loss for me if i was to get banned unfairly (Honestly not input broadcasting and still get banned for it by error, etc)

[EaTCarbS]

so uh, dont you worry about being banned using the software as you are? Isn't that against the TOS now?

I've been using a VideoFX for mining for a while now. No issues whatsoever.

[bugme143]

I've been using a VideoFX for mining for a while now. No issues whatsoever.
Hey, are you in the in-game chat with us? If not, please join so I can ask some questions :D

[thedevilyouknow]

I've been using a VideoFX for mining for a while now. No issues whatsoever.

Thats pretty encouraging

[Mokoi]

That is encouraging, however I am still worries, I remember when Mosg2 did a video of his new setup, which was 0 broadcasting, only using video FX etc, and got banned the next week.

I miss EVE online, it was a lot of fun to play, if the auto missiles thing is working and the video FX is working, that would be encouraging.

[EaTCarbS]

From what i've seen nobody who has been mining has has problems with bans, it seems to be exclusively incursion runners. Being in high sec probably doesn't help much with so many noobs/idiots giving you grief.

[bugme143]

When i had the fleets subbed post ban, i used videofx to a great degree with no warnings or bans. You're perfectly welcome to chill with us even if your box is unsubbed. o

[thedevilyouknow]

That is encouraging, however I am still worries, I remember when Mosg2 did a video of his new setup, which was 0 broadcasting, only using video FX etc, and got banned the next week.

I miss EVE online, it was a lot of fun to play, if the auto missiles thing is working and the video FX is working, that would be encouraging.

I recently rewatched mosgs videos to see why he got banned, the round robin mouse wheel scroll for activating his auto targetting missiles was probably the culprit

[Tool of Society]

I recently rewatched mosgs videos to see why he got banned, the round robin mouse wheel scroll for activating his auto targetting missiles was probably the culprit

Yes that's my belief too.

[Mike Lonestarr]

Befor I did my setup, I went and read the EULA, to really know whats allowed and what not.

As for the Nightmare setup, just to avoid missunderstandings, when I said group, I meant an imagenary group, not an action target group. So Group A locking 3 Tamas is still 12 clicks total. One action per char. The one thing it makes it a bit faster, are the videofx close together.

When I do setups, my rules are:

- Nothing overlays the eve game window (i.e. clickthrus, videofx).

- The dxnothing window doesnt overlap the eve window. The eve game window resolution is: 1340x1040, while the dxnothing starts at 1340 with a resolution of 580x1040.

- One action per click and char - this is a no brainer, but I mention it anyway.

- No obvious character names. I had to train up a hole new character set for just this reason. All my paladin chars are useless now, but I rather be more stealthy and not easiely recognized in local chat. I also try to run in empty systems and at times when most ppl are asleep. This one is really annoying, I dont want to hide, because it might suggest that I do something forbidden. But I do it for the reason, that I try to not get reported from ppl who are angry at multiboxers.
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Somethiing I would like your guys opinon on, do you guys think its worth it to have a little text in the bio section of the chars with a disclaimer. This text would be intendet for GM's that look into you when they got reports from other players. This could backfire and it depends on the text. I ve been trying to come up with something good, but its difficult.

[bugme143]

I plan on not breaking any rules when I start my VG fleets. CCP can suck a dick over their "ban first, ask questions later" and "guilty until proven innocent" policies.

[thedevilyouknow]

Mike I'd like to add, in case this isn't blatantly obvious (benefit of hindsight) that round robin goes against one action one click policy, because without the benefit of hindsight a few people, myself included, made a boo boo.

There was some talk regarding VFX being "legal" (pause) as long as it does not over lap the EVE UI. If i used my setup with ISBoxer, I would also include VFX on a DX screen, however my setup does not strictly require it, it simply makes the window management bearable.

Bare boned, my upcoming turret setup will be made of either a eve o-preview with the display screens used as "next in line" screen switch buttons next to the overview so after locking and pressing F keys, i can click the next screen to swap to the next character and redo the same.
Eve O saves the screen location and the preview screen locations so i dont have to move stuff around every login.
ISBoxer setup would probably include a VFX-DX screen next to the overview so i can either lock targets without alt tabbing, or just as visual aid and set a button to tab to next client in order to target and fire.

Mike as for your characters, I am so pained that i made my several of my character names with a name scheme, I made these characters in around a month or 2 before the changes were to be announced, petitioned to change names for the sake of avoiding cyber bullying (idk prosecution or some shit) the incursion runners did not like me. What can you do.

I had little disclaimers inside the bio back then, they did not listen and hated on me anyways simply for the fact i was running that many characters, but could be worth a shot.

My petition asking for my first strike to be rescinded failed too.....oh well there is always wow if my fleet gets me banned

Edit: There is always Black desert if i get banned

[bugme143]

Agreed 100% that I'd love to be able to change the naming scheme of my alts.

[Tool of Society]

In contrast I'm loud and proud about being a boxer. I don't really have much in the way of issues with people being hateful these days. I'm pretty sure I've been reported quite a few times since Jan 1st. I do sometimes get contested by people who want to see my setup in action.

All my character's names are unrelated and fairly unique. Years ago I almost went with a funny naming scheme and I'm really glad I didn't. As long as I don't speak up about being a boxer people rarely notice. Despite the fact that you can clearly see all the names in my videos.

[thedevilyouknow]

See thats the thing, unless they usually only notice either because of names, or because they know you.
UNTIL that point they usually don't have a problem, they don't inherently notice any unfairness until after it is pointed out

We need boxers like you

[bugme143]

It's kinda hard to hide that I'm a boxer....

1603

[thedevilyouknow]

I only have 4 of my...uh....16? accounts active atm, but mine looks pretty similar.

[iThirdAge Solette]

all of my chars have differente names and they are totally unrelatead apart from the fact they are all in the same corp, however i think its pretty obvious to reacognise im a boxer XD


when i lived in a wormhole (solo) for a couple of months, i would always announce to the people i would have a fight with that i was a boxer and i asked them, because of that, to not overkill on numbers/ship types, and surprisingly most of the times people would do just that and give me the same respect they would give to any other group of people.
when it comes to hs i cant also complain, i dont openly announce im a boxer for obvious reasons, but if someone finds it out (wich is not that hard) they would be, in general, decently respectfull.

[thedevilyouknow]

There was some news about character changes in Eve so we'll see how that goes, but it's been hit with some negative feedback from the reddit warriors

[Mosg2]

A few things...

@Mike
Your setup is amazing. I love the VG fleet for being able to use the watchlist on your logistics pilots. It certainly is less clicking than watching HUDs and broadcasting, then locking people up. For the 20 man Incursions I'm not sure what the optimal setup would be; you're limited by the drone assignment hard cap, so there's definitely pressure to use Geckos. Unfortunately, a lot of the rats will orbit at 70k.

@All
I'm almost certain I was banned because I was moving too fast for their liking. All of my characters were one-up named, so I was reported all the time. I read or listened to a podcast that the GMs weren't/don't even look at the logs. They just inspect what you're doing. I may be wrong, but... Shrug. In any case, I wouldn't do the round-robin missile activation again if I were to start over.

[Tool of Society]

Yeah the naming system you used certainly played a role in the amount of reports sent in about you. I imagine that alone was enough to annoy the GMs. The posting of your video in the official thread is probably what sealed the deal. THe mouse thing combined with the effective usage of click through.

I'm still running this setup basically. The key difference is that my nestors are down to 5 reps now so I have the same number of reps per nestor in Sansha incursions as I do when I'm doing Drifter incursions.

http://i.imgur.com/UVweoDg.jpg

My goal is to avoid annoying the GMs basically.


I've started the process of figuring out how I want my drifter incursion setup to look. The prior setup I've been using on the test server is highly inefficient compared to my sansha incursion setup.

[Mike Lonestarr]

@thedevilyouknow
Yeah your right with the round robin thing. Also it really sucks with the character names, all that skill time, its a shame. On the other hand, if you have free slots, training up new chars can be done in 20 days.
I used my old setup with all the same-name chars to make some isk, to then use that for the new chars. If you just do it for one or two sessions, it shouldnt draw any attention.
I m sorry to hear about your petition. Stay tenacious would be my 2 centst. But then again, I dont have mutch expirience with CCP and petitions.

@mosg
Thanks man, I had a great teacher! You taught me everything I know. I'm still copying parts of your setup ;) I really miss the old times, but its good to see you're still around!

@ToS
I still think your setup is the safest way to go, in terms of risk with grey areas. So for ppl feeling unsure, start with a smilar setup and let time tell whats allowed and/or tolerated.

My current Rattlesnake setup does 10-8min ticks at the moment, not surprising considering the low skill level. Here is a screenshot of my new setup:

http://i.imgur.com/ySi2uan.jpg

What I love the most about multiboxing, is making the setups and optimizing it. Without dxnothing, videoFX and clickbars to complicate things ;), I would loose interest very fast. So without ISBoxer, I woulndt have started up again.

[thedevilyouknow]

The thing is, I don't want to play as though i should hide, the issue is when the mass spam of reports and general hate drives CCP to ban anyways.
Why should i create new characters just for the presumption of innocence, fuck em

That screenshot makes me moist though, well done

[iThirdAge Solette]

The thing is, I don't want to play as though i should hide, the issue is when the mass spam of reports and general hate drives CCP to ban anyways.
Why should i create new characters just for the presumption of innocence, fuck em

That screenshot makes me moist though, well done

exactly that...
one of the reasons i dont use isboxer is for fear of being banned because i would activate stuff too fast and ccp would think im using broadcasting, wich is a shame because i loved playing with and optimizing dxnothing :s

[thedevilyouknow]

like...99 % of the game is played using 1 tiny part of the game window, shortcuts and right click, is it really that surprising when min - max'ers min/max the shit out of the UI

[bugme143]

like...99 % of the game is played using 1 tiny part of the game window, shortcuts and right click, is it really that surprising when min - max'ers min/max the shit out of the UI
It's hilarious the amount of other parts of the game CCP has no problem with people min/maxing, but the instant we come along, suddenly it's a big deal.

[Tool of Society]

What I love the most about multiboxing, is making the setups and optimizing it. Without dxnothing, videoFX and clickbars to complicate things ;), I would loose interest very fast. So without ISBoxer, I woulndt have started up again.Yeah that is at least half the enjoyment I get out of playing eve these days. The challenge of getting stuff setup, optimized and adapted is fun.

Dig your screenshot :P

[Mosg2]

I had my credit card company rescind the last charges for my 20 accounts when I got suspended, as they waited to suspend me until 1 day after I payed for them. So, obviously, they banned all the accounts.

I would consider coming back, but I was running 20-man incursions and I'm not sure how effectively you could do that using the watch list instead of broadcast locking for reps. Does anyone have ideas for this? Is the watch list 10 or 15 or more now?

I'm positive that just using a DxNothing window for VFX with absolutely no broadcasting would be the easiest setup and would be completely safe.

[thedevilyouknow]

I had my credit card company rescind the last charges for my 20 accounts when I got suspended, as they waited to suspend me until 1 day after I payed for them. So, obviously, they banned all the accounts.

Wahahahowwwwwwwwwww that is just bullshit

Watch list would not have enough slots to add in everyone for your 20 man team, i believe its under 15
Why don't you use broadcast for reps and VFX for logistics?

[EaTCarbS]

http://i.imgur.com/it4aMsm.png

here's what my mining VFX looks like for anyone who's curious.

[bugme143]

I had my credit card company rescind the last charges for my 20 accounts when I got suspended, as they waited to suspend me until 1 day after I payed for them. So, obviously, they banned all the accounts.

I would consider coming back, but I was running 20-man incursions and I'm not sure how effectively you could do that using the watch list instead of broadcast locking for reps. Does anyone have ideas for this? Is the watch list 10 or 15 or more now?

I'm positive that just using a DxNothing window for VFX with absolutely no broadcasting would be the easiest setup and would be completely safe.

Made a mock-up of my setup for HQs and fleets for broadcasting for armor / shields. Note: Names are not important, I found the image through 5 seconds of google.

1605

Only problem: Gotta click the 3 bars and do "Clear Broadcast Icons" every so often. Other than that, it was a sexy setup.

[thedevilyouknow]

http://i.imgur.com/it4aMsm.png

here's what my mining VFX looks like for anyone who's curious.

Dude stop, my drool

Are those ventures???

[Tool of Society]

My partially complete dxnothing window has the videofx windows for the broadcast buttons (click through) below the related videofx of the capacitor/shield/armor/structure thing. So I can just broadcast for reps as normal. My dxnothing window is like half my main screen though as a result of all the stuff (including full view of all the targets on the logi.

[EaTCarbS]

Dude stop, my drool

Are those ventures???

lol yea, but the layout works for any mining ship. I was doing ventures for bait/funzies

[Tool of Society]

lol yea, but the layout works for any mining ship. I was doing ventures for bait/funzies

Wish there was a "like" button.

[CDNProdigy]

http://i.imgur.com/it4aMsm.png

here's what my mining VFX looks like for anyone who's curious.

Cool Setup! Thanks for posting. Getting to that type of setup would be something to aspire to for me and my mini fleet. Considering I just started, me and my 5 ventures are rocking Hi Sec; or should I say breaking rocks in Hi Sec! :cool:

[Krops]

I'll update you guys on wormholes/c5 stuff. You can contact me in game: Krops Vont

Working on trying to figure out how to record though while my cpu is clocked at 83*c on my main computer...

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Working on trying to figure out how to record though while my cpu is clocked at 83*c on my main computer...
Ouch. :p What kinda heatsink setup you have installed? You can get fully self-contained water-cooling setups at the PC stores for <$50 these days.

[Krops]

I'll have to consider that but atm I'm more concerned at upgrading. Tech is all from 2009-10. My laptop has a gts 360m and desktop a 9800 gt. Life kicked me around a bit so once I'm back at work I hope to get it in two or three months.

Heatsink is like 2 front fans lol

[bugme143]

AAR of 1/18-1/19 Raven fleet

Ran a grand total of 3 sites.

Fit:
[Raven, AutoRaven]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II


Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script


'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
Civilian Miner


Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I




Hammerhead II x5 (replace civi miner with civi railgun)

"Painter" Raven had 4 paints instead of MGC. Need to swap one for a sebo, and another for a TS web.

All in all I am pleased with my results, even with my slow site times and initial warpout and Basi loss.

SOME THINGS TO NOTE:
You need to "prime" your autos, i.e. deal damage or receive damage (or ewar) with something on your ship (hence the civi blaster) before the missiles will work.
BOOSTS. You need em. Most important: The cycle time.
Work on your kill order.

Im drunk. Ask questions, and I'll answer when I'm more sober. This was just a quick AAR.

[thedevilyouknow]

I have more content on this thread than in game atm ;)

[thedevilyouknow]

Anyone have any idea how much the DPS fluctuates between the incursion vanguard sites across the waves assuming you don't shoot them at all? (Full spawn)

First wave of NCO, NMC and OTA can be tanked with around 2000DPS tank according to EFT, probably less as i tested this on SISI on 0 influence.
Anyone know whether the DPS from the waves increases across the waves?

I know the spawns have random numbers but within a rough guess? Anyone, Plz halp

[bugme143]

I do know the highest DPS from an NCO comes when that Sansha Nation Commander spawns. He's basically an Elite Tama.
The Deltoles are the biggest threat in the OTAs thanks to their neuts.
Haven't done an NMC in ages. Someone else can talk about that.

[thedevilyouknow]

Can your tank last with just 6 nestor'd reps?

E: Or specifically, could 7 Large remote reps unbonused* be enough repping power to last all the sites? According to EFT (wew) with the current fits I'm tossing up, adds up to 2118 armor EHP/s (depending on the fit)

E2: Okay Basically, i want to run this thing as a single logi pilot, thoughts?

[Paladin, Cheaper]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II


Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II


Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Bastion Module I


Large Remote Repair Augmentor II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II


Hobgoblin II x5

Cap stable, 7 unbonused large reps, thoughts?

[iThirdAge Solette]

Can your tank last with just 6 nestor'd reps?

E: Or specifically, could 7 Large remote reps unbonused* be enough repping power to last all the sites? According to EFT (wew) with the current fits I'm tossing up, adds up to 2118 armor EHP/s (depending on the fit)

E2: Okay Basically, i want to run this thing as a single logi pilot, thoughts?

[Paladin, Cheaper]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II


Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II


Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Bastion Module I


Large Remote Repair Augmentor II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II


Hobgoblin II x5

Cap stable, 7 unbonused large reps, thoughts?

I once tried to run with 2 cruiser armor logis, and in resume, it went badly. I dont know if i just did something wrong or if the tank is simply not enough, i just know that if i hadnt warped out at the time i did i would have lost a lot more domis

[thedevilyouknow]

When looking at ToS's videos he can run some sites with 3 to max 5 reps, on the fits his domis use that is 2.5k HP/s, on the fits i plan to use the reps on, its close to 2.3k HP/s and i know the minimum tank needed to tank the first room is 1.9k HP/s

What were the fits you used on your domis when you had trouble?

[Tool of Society]

When looking at ToS's videos he can run some sites with 3 to max 5 reps, on the fits his domis use that is 2.5k HP/s, on the fits i plan to use the reps on, its close to 2.3k HP/s and i know the minimum tank needed to tank the first room is 1.9k HP/s

What were the fits you used on your domis when you had trouble?

I run almost every site with 1-3 reps. The only time I need to use more reps is when I am late at repping or the influence is +40%. It seems that the NPCs "overheat" if their target gets below a certain point as incoming dps will dramatically rise (you can see it on the eve combat log parser).


[Dominix, Vanguards]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Damage Control II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script

Mega Pulse Laser II, Gamma L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Gamma L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Gamma L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Gamma L
Drone Link Augmentor II
[empty high slot]

Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I

Garde II x5

[thedevilyouknow]

Much thanks ToS, i'm convinced the paladin will work now

[Tool of Society]

Much thanks ToS, i'm convinced the paladin will work now

I just took a browse through the last 6 months of running to see what kind of incoming dps I saw. I saw up to around 1k post resist incoming dps. Now the issue with figuring out the raw incoming dps is that I run a tank that is biased to em/therm/kin with no regard for exp. I also target and kill the sansha commander as a primary and the tamas as secondary after Niarjas. I also run the evasive maneuvers link to shrink sig size to further reduce the damage from kin/exp torps. So the vast majority of the incoming damage is from the laser em/therm NPCs.

So I'd gather that raw dps wise I'm taking about 1700 or so while actively popping stuff. I start popping NPCs from the get go with the NM helped by the primary ddd till I get drones assigned (the primary DDD is ready to start killing tamas with just two domis assigned).

So I'm guessing worse case scenario would be about 3k raw DPS assuming you don't kill anything and have similar resist/sig as my setup.

[thedevilyouknow]

At the moment my issue is that the only tank testing i have done is all within the first room (just chucked a vargur in there and gradually lowered the tank to see the low end number without killing anything)

Now obviously as i pop npcs off field the dps lowers, but i just wanted to know how much of a "retarded moment" safety net i would have before it all goes horribly wrong :3

[bugme143]

At the moment my issue is that the only tank testing i have done is all within the first room (just chucked a vargur in there and gradually lowered the tank to see the low end number without killing anything)

Now obviously as i pop npcs off field the dps lowers, but i just wanted to know how much of a "retarded moment" safety net i would have before it all goes horribly wrong :3
Well if you want we can go onto sisi and run dps tests there.

[thedevilyouknow]

25 days till paladin tho

[iThirdAge Solette]

I run almost every site with 1-3 reps. The only time I need to use more reps is when I am late at repping or the influence is +40%. It seems that the NPCs "overheat" if their target gets below a certain point as incoming dps will dramatically rise (you can see it on the eve combat log parser).


[Dominix, Vanguards]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Damage Control II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script

Mega Pulse Laser II, Gamma L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Gamma L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Gamma L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Gamma L
Drone Link Augmentor II
[empty high slot]

Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I

Garde II x5


my fits were pretty much this, just some changes in rigs.
the only reason i can think for it going so badly is that i didnt have sig radius link, since i run with on grid boosting, wich would prob make a big difference lol

[thedevilyouknow]

Ah i see, i run sig radius links as a given,

[Tool of Society]

Ah i see, i run sig radius links as a given,

I ran without that link for a while back when I was testing to see how few links I could run with.

It can get a bit hectic when you first start running a fleet. Before things become muscle memory your reactions will be much slower. Two cruisers could be problematic in such a scenario.

[Mike Lonestarr]

When I started with the incursion stuff, I had help from expirienced multiboxer incursion runners. They spoke of a safe tank of 3500dps when planning fleets/fits/doctrines. Thats a very safe number, but safe is safe.

Now, for my fleet (8 Rattlesnakes, 2 Nestors, 1 Vindi, 1 Astarte) its the same like ToS, I mostly use 3 reppers from a single nestor, sometimes I need to put 4-5 on if I m late.

What I would advise, is start your marauders with a strong tank, learn the kill order and get used to the sites, and then graduatly refitt to more damage and less tank. This gives u plenty tank to make mistakes and you can look forward to up the damage when you start feeling the itch for more dps. (The itch usually happens when u start getting comfortable with the site and the killing isnt fast enough anymore ;) )

My 2 cents

[thedevilyouknow]

Theory crafting takes up a lot of time :D

In other news OGB and getting sacked sometime soon, I'd link a source but it was on a podcast or something

(If this has been released already i will be very embarrassed, i haven't logged in much lately, skill queue online ftw)

[iThirdAge Solette]

so how was/is going the new skill changes for you guys?

i myself extracted most of the sp from my incursion fleet, since i only use them for that these days, and made something like 50 bilion in one day wich was quite ridiculous lol

[pinotnoir]

Can people please start making new threads? This is way to long. Nobody is going to browse 33 pages of post.

[EaTCarbS]

well, the posts are still on topic and the only difference between one thread with 33 posts and 3 threads with 11 posts is a technicality.

[thedevilyouknow]

so how was/is going the new skill changes for you guys?

i myself extracted most of the sp from my incursion fleet, since i only use them for that these days, and made something like 50 bilion in one day wich was quite ridiculous lol

I decided to just get on sisi to use the skill extractors to test fits instead, it was quite amazing how they've done it.

Having made that money, do you personally believe its a passive income generator?
(Tbh i want eve to go f2p already with these new changes, or maybe b2p per acc, with the amount of things plex/aurum can buy now getting up there i want to believe :D)

Also if anyone wants information is 33 pages so bad? i've been doing it

[iThirdAge Solette]

I decided to just get on sisi to use the skill extractors to test fits instead, it was quite amazing how they've done it.

Having made that money, do you personally believe its a passive income generator?
(Tbh i want eve to go f2p already with these new changes, or maybe b2p per acc, with the amount of things plex/aurum can buy now getting up there i want to believe :D)

Also if anyone wants information is 33 pages so bad? i've been doing it

I dont have numbers in front of me right now, but i dont think its possible to make profit with sp farming.
(2700x24x30=1944000) or 1.94m/sp per month at max speed. (+5 implants and full remaps)
So you get nearly 4 extractors each month, at about 300m profit per extractor you are getting 1.2b each month. I think the prices will change when people realise this however.

However, even if you cant make profit from this you can always extract everything you made and sell it (for example in your incursion chars), wich is a big help with the current plex costs and can help you makr a lot more isk per month


I also personally dont see the need in creating a new post, i like this actually, makes it easier imo

[thedevilyouknow]

Oh i see where that's going.

Even when the extractors get to a price where you may not make a profit by selling the excess sp your toons generate (assuming you're happy with their skills trained) you can just sell the excess under the idea that "Penny saved in a penny earned" which yeah would be a big help with plex costs.

I injected a few sp into several of my toons, no complaints really, the diminishing returns sucks but it makes sense, maybe they should have added an isk cost to extracting and injecting as a isk sink but vov what do i know

[EaTCarbS]

the extractors are too expensive for people to run SP alt farms, but they're great for those of us with alts that don't need any more training. Its perfect.

[iThirdAge Solette]

the extractors are too expensive for people to run SP alt farms, but they're great for those of us with alts that don't need any more training. Its perfect.


Exactly :D
And that is why, in my opinion, the price of injectors will drop, since people will realise that instead of paying 1.2b for monthly plex they can just pay 200-300 million

[bugme143]

So some of you already know, but I've lately been flying nullsec incursion HQs with the Imperium (grr goons) while boxing 7-8 clients.

I've made somewhere around 24b in raw ISK and approx. 4m in raw LP using only some shitfit Tempests. I wish there was a HS incursion community that let multiboxers in (Although "Site Is Taken" is run by former DIN-Flotten members, so they might be receptive to someone boxing a squad of, say, tachmares or 1400 machs.)

Uroboros site in lowsec

http://www.twitch.tv/bugme143/v/48694607

Nullsec HQs

http://www.twitch.tv/bugme143/v/47820168

More clicking is involved compared to pre-ban, but I'm confident that a proper Tachmare or 1400 Mach squad can easily be multiboxed in highsec.


E: Also, highsec MJD Tachmare fleet anyone?

[olibri1]

Can people please start making new threads? This is way to long. Nobody is going to browse 33 pages of post.

Time for a subreddit...

[iThirdAge Solette]

So some of you already know, but I've lately been flying nullsec incursion HQs with the Imperium (grr goons) while boxing 7-8 clients.

I've made somewhere around 24b in raw ISK and approx. 4m in raw LP using only some shitfit Tempests. I wish there was a HS incursion community that let multiboxers in (Although "Site Is Taken" is run by former DIN-Flotten members, so they might be receptive to someone boxing a squad of, say, tachmares or 1400 machs.)

Uroboros site in lowsec

http://www.twitch.tv/bugme143/v/48694607

Nullsec HQs

http://www.twitch.tv/bugme143/v/47820168

More clicking is involved compared to pre-ban, but I'm confident that a proper Tachmare or 1400 Mach squad can easily be multiboxed in highsec.


E: Also, highsec MJD Tachmare fleet anyone?


a question i forgot to ask you in the in-game channel, in your opinion are hqs better or worse when compared to vgs in terms of multiboxing? i mean isk and "work load" wise.


MJD tachmare?
i would be up for that :P

[bugme143]

a question i forgot to ask you in the in-game channel, in your opinion are hqs better or worse when compared to vgs in terms of multiboxing? i mean isk and "work load" wise.


MJD tachmare?
i would be up for that :P
IMO better :effort:-wise, especially post-ban. VG-wise, it depends on the fleet you're with.

As for the tachmare idea, well, we can write that off now.

[Tool of Society]

Anyone miss the devblog where they talk about overlays aka dxnothing etc?

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/overlays-isk-buyer-amnesty-and-account-security/

Might be a shot over the bow for videofx stuff.

[thedevilyouknow]

Separate thread on the topic in this forum

[bugme143]

https://zkillboard.com/br/67376/
C5 Magnetar farming apparently.



[Barghest, Arcuuus's Barghest]
Ballistic Control System II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II
Missile Guidance Enhancer II


EM Ward Field II
Large Micro Jump Drive
Large Shield Extender II
Missile Guidance Computer II,Missile Precision Script
Missile Guidance Computer II,Missile Range Script
Missile Guidance Computer II,Missile Range Script


Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher,Nova Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher,Nova Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher,Nova Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher,Nova Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher,Nova Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher,Nova Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I


Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Large Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Large Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I




Valkyrie SW-600 x1
Hobgoblin I x8


Autos get a whopping 729 DPS out to an amazing 434km.

I'm amazed and sad that I didn't think about doing this....

[Krops]

https://zkillboard.com/br/67376/
C5 Magnetar farming apparently.

Autos get a whopping 729 DPS out to an amazing 434km.

I'm amazed and sad that I didn't think about doing this....

Weren't you trying to find those guys (that guy) for months?

Lol

Also I will say c5 mag + moros lvl4/5 = 7.7b~ an hour on paper or 7b realistically for 4 characters (1 spawn dread and 2 spawn carriers + hero dread)

Or go with the self tanking rattlesnake gang we came up with and nuke them with the same dps. Just keep MJD in f2 slot and mash it across all characters and wing warp.

[bugme143]

Weren't you trying to find those guys (that guy) for months?

Lol

Also I will say c5 mag + moros lvl4/5 = 7.7b~ an hour on paper or 7b realistically for 4 characters (1 spawn dread and 2 spawn carriers + hero dread)

Or go with the self tanking rattlesnake gang we came up with and nuke them with the same dps. Just keep MJD in f2 slot and mash it across all characters and wing warp.

Yeah, I was. I'm considering reviving the Gila Fleet or a cheap VNI fleet for when we get a C5 static, but the MJD team is interesting. Care to share the Rattler fit?

[Krops]

Yeah, I was. I'm considering reviving the Gila Fleet or a cheap VNI fleet for when we get a C5 static, but the MJD team is interesting. Care to share the Rattler fit?

[Rattlesnake, C5 Solo]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II


Shield Boost Amplifier II
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pith C-Type EM Ward Field
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Large Micro Jump Drive


Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Auto Targeting System I


Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Curator II x2

It stands at this (http://i.imgur.com/Ckrovp8.png) for stats. Reason be is because sig will help you tank those 3k dps waves and hit the 70k ones.
You can tinker around with it but the ideas behind my stuff are as follows.


When theorizing new fleet metas the things I checklist for is:

1) Can it escape through conventional means or a method?
I've come across even using MJD deployables in a group, holding D, and activating the already anchored structure. Sometimes bubble immune t3's

2) Can it effectively* run the site or objective?
I like to hit token numbers like 1000 applicable dps, solo tank to minimize clicking*, or flat out drone swarm lazy mode.
*Effective between multiple figures Ingame and Out of. Can I ____ in one hour from log in to closing client, or should I invest in a better mouse.
*The less clicks the better even if it means pumping 2000 dps vindis on a cap spawn or bomber fleet in a RG, your sanity is worth more than a pretty penny.

3) Will I lose more if I die right now or can I gain it back slower and cheaper?
Sometimes its better to go with the known cheaper method of VNI's than lose your pimplsnakes.

4) How much of a splash am I making?
Will I get an army (https://zkillboard.com/kill/45728166/) to show up to end me and my cause?

[bugme143]

What range do you park at?

[Jacobsalt]

Given the nerfs to the static income of high class wormholes, you will most likely want to revive gilas/ find some other mobile and less mass-heavy teams. Fuck ccp...

[bugme143]

OK, I've been using Hai's WhipSnakes for a bit, and I'm loving them.


[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake]Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II


Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II


Drone Link Augmentor II
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher


Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II




Garde II x6


Scourge Auto-Targeting Light Missile I x33670

3 Tracking, 2 Optimal scripts. I've been tempted to get a Pith C and do 4 Tracking 2 Opti, but gonna save the isk. The Rapid Lights are awesome as they usually clear 3-4 frigates while I'm focusing down the cruisers and Battleships.

DDD:

[Rapier, DDD]Damage Control II
Signal Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II


Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Large Shield Extender II




Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

If I stagger the mids just right, I can cycle off a frig every 4 seconds. That means that in an OTA I can pick off all the Tamas and Niarjas before the Deltole and Augas get in range, and in NCOs I can snag all the Tamas and Schmaels. Fed Webs over TS because of the 60% web power. 75km with boosts and no heat, which is fairly sexy. 94km overheated, though you'll rarely need that.
I went LSE + Invuln over Double Invuln because of the Deltole, and it seems to be working well.

[iThirdAge Solette]

Hello guys, ao i have resubbed my alts to do some incursions with my domi fleet, and im wondering if anyone has ever considered trying machs for incursions. I know the nightmare has been the choice for boxing since ever, but the mach, from what i see/know may bring more advantages for boxing... (more dps, tank, drones, warp speed, etc...). The only downsides i can find on the mach are the lack of utility mids for webs and the big use of ammo. But anyways, i just wanted to try to find out the reason behind the nightmare vs machariel thing.

This is autocannons machariels btw

[Tool of Society]

Hello guys, ao i have resubbed my alts to do some incursions with my domi fleet, and im wondering if anyone has ever considered trying machs for incursions. I know the nightmare has been the choice for boxing since ever, but the mach, from what i see/know may bring more advantages for boxing... (more dps, tank, drones, warp speed, etc...). The only downsides i can find on the mach are the lack of utility mids for webs and the big use of ammo. But anyways, i just wanted to try to find out the reason behind the nightmare vs machariel thing.

This is autocannons machariels btw

Because you burn up so much ammo it's absolutely silly. Ammo that you have to pay for and move around. Ammo that you have to check every time you intend to head out to grind VGs. With only two gyros you'll go through about 133 rounds per mach per minute of firing. You can see how this quickly scales into a ridiculous amount of ammo if you want to run for hours. Then there's the lack of tracking bonuses...


In contrast I leave my guys floating in space so I can log in at any time run some vgs and then log out. Can't do that as well with machs as you'll have to dock for ammo.

[iThirdAge Solette]

Yeah, exactly what i tough then... the ammo issue :s

[Tool of Society]

I ran some VGs yesterday with some of my gank alts. 7 VNI and 3 basi with shield PVP fits. I ended up using one of the VNIs as a DDD cause clicking on each client was getting annoying (used a t2 web instead of point). Booster alt wasn't using an implant but was in a claymore.

Was good for about 15-20 minute ticks with 10 on grid with t2 hammerheads. I was just practicing for PVP encounters so it wasn't setup for site times(basically reversed kill order leaving niarjas and deltole for last). Got some good practice in AND made like 300m an hour lol. I did lose one VNI because I completely underestimated the damage (first site first agro). My domi fleet makes it a snoozefest in comparison.

With a proper armor tank and only two logi I could imagine <10 minute ticks would be pretty easy.

[iThirdAge Solette]

If you will be doing multiboxed pvp, i highly suggest gilas with basis and a boosting vulture. Worked amazingly for me :P

[Tool of Society]

If you will be doing multiboxed pvp, i highly suggest gilas with basis and a boosting vulture. Worked amazingly for me :P
Gilas cost more and aren't as effective now due to a loss of a low slot. VNIs are my low cost alternative and I use a claymore to boost so basically the same concept.

I've technically been boxing pvp but it's been very small time stuff. I'm just trying to move up to bigger things. I also haven't actually done logi in a pvp fight in ages so I wanted to get warmed up :P

[bugme143]

Gilas cost more and aren't as effective now due to a loss of a low slot. VNIs are my low cost alternative and I use a claymore to boost so basically the same concept.

I've technically been boxing pvp but it's been very small time stuff. I'm just trying to move up to bigger things. I also haven't actually done logi in a pvp fight in ages so I wanted to get warmed up :P

Probably not what you're looking for, but 100mn Huginn or Rapier is hilarious as a DDD because you can't really get caught. I haven't looked but you can probably stuff 100mn ABs onto a VNI.

On topic of isk grinding, fastest way I think post-ban is Self-Tanking Rattlers with Geckos. I've tweaked the German's fit (https://o.smium.org/loadout/private/70932/1653288871082852352) and found that CCCs give better cap Regen and cap stability than the Safeguard rigs he had on, and you lower your sig a bit because no penalty from the shield rigs.

Also, AAR of Assaults with USTZ / ISN Secondary:

I managed to help get their Assaults rolling with my sentry snakes and Rapier. The first night I could only squeeze in 4+1 because they cross-recruited from ISN, but the second night I got 7+1 going for a while. I mentioned I'd be willing to buy a squad of Tachmares or Machs for HQs if we ever get em going, and they were fairly receptive to that idea.

[iThirdAge Solette]

i used to fly pretty much daily with isn... (i think i actually became part of primary at some point) they were the best group back then imo...

from what i remember they were pretty anti-multiboxing at the time, but if they are open to it now then i would love to box hq fleets with them :P (would still have a couple things to train tough :S)

[Tool of Society]

Probably not what you're looking for, but 100mn Huginn or Rapier is hilarious as a DDD because you can't really get caught. I haven't looked but you can probably stuff 100mn ABs onto a VNI.

On topic of isk grinding, fastest way I think post-ban is Self-Tanking Rattlers with Geckos. I've tweaked the German's fit (https://o.smium.org/loadout/private/70932/1653288871082852352) and found that CCCs give better cap Regen and cap stability than the Safeguard rigs he had on, and you lower your sig a bit because no penalty from the shield rigs.

Also, AAR of Assaults with USTZ / ISN Secondary:

I managed to help get their Assaults rolling with my sentry snakes and Rapier. The first night I could only squeeze in 4+1 because they cross-recruited from ISN, but the second night I got 7+1 going for a while. I mentioned I'd be willing to buy a squad of Tachmares or Machs for HQs if we ever get em going, and they were fairly receptive to that idea. Making some oversized AB fits has been on my to do list. Not a lot of free time lately.

[EaTCarbS]

Oversized AB fits are the bread and butter of AFK ratting, as well as some niche pvp fits. I like to 100mn ishtars/VNIs in pvp as well as command dessies.

[bugme143]

Agreed. One of the more interesting things I've been toying with is a fleet of MJFG Magi for low/null shenanigans. Here's what I have so far:


[Magus, Fleet]

Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II


Micro Jump Field Generator
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender


Light Electron Blaster II, Null S
Light Electron Blaster II, Null S
Light Electron Blaster II, Null S
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]


Small Core Defense Field Extender II
Small Core Defense Field Extender II




Hobgoblin II x1
Hammerhead II x3

For the primary you have some form of tackle, of course. It's really nasty from what little I've been able to test out.

[EaTCarbS]

http://i.imgur.com/VcN9sua.png

Bifrost

Also not sure why you'd fit DDAs and go shield instead of taking advantage of the armor bonuses.

[bugme143]

Bifrost

Also not sure why you'd fit DDAs and go shield instead of taking advantage of the armor bonuses.

I put a premium on killing the target and GTFOing as fast as possible over max tank.

[Jacobsalt]

bugme, have you managed to actually run the self-tanking snake fleet yet? If so, what is the trigger? or do you just have the main trigger using a civ gun or something? It looks great, but that is a lot of travel time for those geckos

[bugme143]

bugme, have you managed to actually run the self-tanking snake fleet yet? If so, what is the trigger? or do you just have the main trigger using a civ gun or something? It looks great, but that is a lot of travel time for those geckos

I haven't personally, but here's what the German said (with proper English translations):

No triggers. You manually assign each gecko to separate frigates, and they will kill them.
The travel time is greatly reduced thanks to the faction Drone Nav Comp. With a Fed Navy DNC, the Gecko moves at 3km/s, which is plenty.

[thedevilyouknow]

Alrighty

After a few months away from Eve I resubbed the other day.


Updated my desktop to windows 10 and started playing around with AHK to assign each virtual desktop with its own focus hotkey (to bring it into focus, clarify)
After playing around with a few accounts I gave up on using AHK, not because it wasn't possible, I got it to work rather well, but because just using Win+Crtl+Desktop# worked well enough.

Funnily enough after playing around with my setup I do a quick google search to see if I can't streamline my setup any further, came across this reddit post on the topic of multiboxing with Windows 10 virtual desktops.

Link :https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4x8v5m/windows_10_multiboxing_trick/

Finding this a lot easier to use than Eve-O preview which I have not touched since last year.

However I seem to have missed several changes to game mechanics...like what is up with carriers and the supposed nerf to afk ratting?
Anyone care to explain / share what they've been up to?

[bugme143]

Alrighty

After a few months away from Eve I resubbed the other day.


Updated my desktop to windows 10 and started playing around with AHK to assign each virtual desktop with its own focus hotkey (to bring it into focus, clarify)
After playing around with a few accounts I gave up on using AHK, not because it wasn't possible, I got it to work rather well, but because just using Win+Crtl+Desktop# worked well enough.

Funnily enough after playing around with my setup I do a quick google search to see if I can't streamline my setup any further, came across this reddit post on the topic of multiboxing with Windows 10 virtual desktops.

Link :https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4x8v5m/windows_10_multiboxing_trick/

Finding this a lot easier to use than Eve-O preview which I have not touched since last year.

However I seem to have missed several changes to game mechanics...like what is up with carriers and the supposed nerf to afk ratting?
Anyone care to explain / share what they've been up to?

Basically, fighters don't auto-aggro rats anymore and carriers can't use heavies / sentries anymore. Also there's NPC dreads and titans that will spawn and shoot you from time to time.

[thedevilyouknow]

Wonder if they drop any good loot..

Could thirdage, ToS or anyone else doing incursions comment on how they clean up their incursion site afterwards and scout to the next one?
Obviously after cycling and pulling in all the drones, do you use your hacker/ore ship to scout the next site first?

[bugme143]

Wonder if they drop any good loot..

Could thirdage, ToS or anyone else doing incursions comment on how they clean up their incursion site afterwards and scout to the next one?
Obviously after cycling and pulling in all the drones, do you use your hacker/ore ship to scout the next site first?

Some of em do. I just squad warp to the next one.

[thedevilyouknow]

Alrighty
Just finished up a couple hours running vanguards, not too bad, had a holy shit moment when (because of shitty leadership skills and the way i arranged my squads) i warped 2 ships off to a completely different site, luckily, somehow, the aggro of the entire room switched to the drones and i managed to squad warp the 2 ships out....so that was fun...then regrouped them with the other ships that were already in another site taking damage without a drone bunny...

Lost 1 ship in the session, a venture that i left in the OTA too long and got killed by frigs, decided not to run a hacker because currently i can volley off frigates and the cruisers don't take that much longer, the battleship on the other hand...

Site completion times started at around 8 minutes, cut them down to about 6, not factoring in warp time or time between sites pulling in the drones and such.

Been fun...now hopefully i don't get banned for "macro usage" aka windows 10 virtual desktops

[Tool of Society]

Wonder if they drop any good loot..

Could thirdage, ToS or anyone else doing incursions comment on how they clean up their incursion site afterwards and scout to the next one?
Obviously after cycling and pulling in all the drones, do you use your hacker/ore ship to scout the next site first?I quit eve months ago so I haven't been paying attention to stuff related to it.

I used my ore dropper if I had to scout ahead and I never bothered salvaging. I made it a point to try to go to incursion spawns with the fewest communities (preferably no community focus). So most of the time I would be the only one in system so scouting was pointless. Salvaging is worth a few million per site but not worth the extra effort for me.

If I was scouting I would always make sure to have the next spot scouted before the last wave was done on my current site.



Alrighty
Just finished up a couple hours running vanguards, not too bad, had a holy shit moment when (because of shitty leadership skills and the way i arranged my squads) i warped 2 ships off to a completely different site, luckily, somehow, the aggro of the entire room switched to the drones and i managed to squad warp the 2 ships out....so that was fun...then regrouped them with the other ships that were already in another site taking damage without a drone bunny...

Lost 1 ship in the session, a venture that i left in the OTA too long and got killed by frigs, decided not to run a hacker because currently i can volley off frigates and the cruisers don't take that much longer, the battleship on the other hand...

Site completion times started at around 8 minutes, cut them down to about 6, not factoring in warp time or time between sites pulling in the drones and such.

Been fun...now hopefully i don't get banned for "macro usage" aka windows 10 virtual desktops

I highly doubt you would get banned for macro usage if you're running somewhat like I was. Peligro and the other GMs are very aware of my setup and how I was running.


I lost a nestor once due to having my fleet split up into two squads. I was teaching some newbros how to run so I had to split my fleet some and the only one with wing commander as a skill was one of my nestor pilots and at that point it was tough to run without boosts on him (wing commander spot didn't receive FC boosts). So I had my fleet split up into two groups and I accidentally warped the nestor pilot (who had only the ore dropper in squad with him) to the wrong site and entered without double checking my watchlist. I was really tired and that was going to be the last site so I kind of rushed it. Ever since that loss I would double check watchlist every time before taking the gate. That was my only nestor loss over years of using them.

I solved that problem by training my ore dropper into wing commander so I could use her to warp both fleets if I needed. Generally I ran the booster in FC ore dropper in WC and the rest in one squad. I usually used the squad leader to warp around.

I only started hacking OTAs as I was looking to push my ticks down under 6 minutes and at that point I was shaving every second off I could find. I did manage to push some OTAs in under 6 minutes tick to tick but they weren't often as it required a great deal of concentration and some luck.

[Phiny]

Hey, so i live in a C2 woemhole with C5 statics. So far i used my vagur to clean instrumentals and then bring a small venture fleet to gas huff. But i want to go a step further and run the combat sites. I did so already with my corp mates in my maurauder. Problem is i got a realy high skilled main and alot of lowish skilled alts. The most of them got decent drone skills. So i though i maybe could run them with a vni or gila fleet. Biggest problem is i only got 1 charackter to fly a scimitar (or other t2 logi) and no booster. So would you think it would work and yes what ammount of logi do i need ?or should i train 2/3 charackters into rattlesnkaes until they can run them

[Tool of Society]

Hey, so i live in a C2 woemhole with C5 statics. So far i used my vagur to clean instrumentals and then bring a small venture fleet to gas huff. But i want to go a step further and run the combat sites. I did so already with my corp mates in my maurauder. Problem is i got a realy high skilled main and alot of lowish skilled alts. The most of them got decent drone skills. So i though i maybe could run them with a vni or gila fleet. Biggest problem is i only got 1 charackter to fly a scimitar (or other t2 logi) and no booster. So would you think it would work and yes what ammount of logi do i need ?or should i train 2/3 charackters into rattlesnkaes until they can run themI think you would find it worth your time to train at least one of the alts into logi. Even my gank alt/vni/gila fleet characters had six t2 logi capable and a full t2 booster. Have they removed off grid boosting or gotten anywhere with that? If so then it probably isn't worth the time to go full t2 booster too while training the alts.

I never bothered buying tags because the gank alts themselves could directly boost their sec status by running VG sites with whoever didn't have KRs at the time (2 basi rest VNI). Unfortunately I cannot comment on using them in C5s as they have changed the sites some since I quit playing. I can say that controlling 3 snakes is a lot easier :P

[Phiny]

Yeah i think iam going for the snakes

[bugme143]

Current Meta Roundup:

Incursions:
Self-tanking FOF RLML Rattlesnakes.
Self-tanking FOF RLML Golems
Paladin fleets.
Kronos fleet.
VNI fleet

Wormholes:
5 Gila 2 Basi 1 CS
Tinker Rattlesnakes
Solo Dread.

Missions:
Self-tanking FOF RLML Rattlesnakes (Yes, according to some dude.)
L4 Burner Chaining (high/low/nullsec)

Ratting:
Ishtars in Gurista/Serp space
FOF Ravens
Rorquals

Mining:
Rorquals with Harvesters.
Covetor Ice Mining

[juicy]

Current Meta Roundup:

Incursions:
Self-tanking FOF RLML Rattlesnakes.
Self-tanking FOF RLML Golems
Paladin fleets.
Kronos fleet.
VNI fleet

Wormholes:
5 Gila 2 Basi 1 CS
Tinker Rattlesnakes
Solo Dread.

Missions:
Self-tanking FOF RLML Rattlesnakes (Yes, according to some dude.)
L4 Burner Chaining (high/low/nullsec)

Ratting:
Ishtars in Gurista/Serp space
FOF Ravens
Rorquals

Mining:
Rorquals with Harvesters.
Covetor Ice Mining


IsTheIceMiningInHighsec?

I was thinking about multiboxing a dozen ice miners with a poripose in highsec, is that worth my time at all or should i just join some nullsec entity?

Basically I'm wondering about how I should make money, I read through a bunch of this thread and read a bunch of opinions but the game has changed a lot. I'm going to have 12 accounts but with no capital to work with. I'd rather do something low maintenance (if possible) over high maintenance.

[bugme143]

IsTheIceMiningInHighsec?

I was thinking about multiboxing a dozen ice miners with a poripose in highsec, is that worth my time at all or should i just join some nullsec entity?

Basically I'm wondering about how I should make money, I read through a bunch of this thread and read a bunch of opinions but the game has changed a lot. I'm going to have 12 accounts but with no capital to work with. I'd rather do something low maintenance (if possible) over high maintenance.

I think you can still do ice mining in highsec, but I've heard some stories about permadecs and CODE. I recommend joining our in-game channel in my signature to avoid certain CODE members.

As for *how*, that's entirely up to you. Find something that you think looks fun, join SISI, and give it a shot.

[Phiny]

Still tryin to figure out my way to go with Wormhole Sites. Right now iam using 2 Basi + Claymore + 5 gilas. I want to change the claymore for an eos and add another nighmare as a DD (with 2 Smartbombs). Also gonna change Gilas for Snakes at one point, especially if i fell more safe. (snakes have arround 150% the dps of a gila with their drones, and the double if your activly using Missiles.

[Tool of Society]

I think you can still do ice mining in highsec, but I've heard some stories about permadecs and CODE. I recommend joining our in-game channel in my signature to avoid certain CODE members.

As for *how*, that's entirely up to you. Find something that you think looks fun, join SISI, and give it a shot.Almost every single wardec I ever received on my boxed characters were when I went ice mining for tests.

Ice is pretty awful isk per hour and takes a surprisingly amount of interaction when doing it en mass. Taking 2-3 characters out to do level 4s took about as much effort as running all 12 in an ice field and the level 4s made more isk per hour (especially if you have competition for ice).


EDIT : Your mileage may vary as my characters were optimized for running missions and I had an optimized setup for the LP and the missions themselves.

[EaTCarbS]

Not sure about high sec, but ore is definitely better in null right now only because it compresses much smaller. At this point I only mine ice when I need heavy water and isotopes.

[bugme143]

Admittedly, it's been a while since I mined (let alone ice mined) or crunched numbers. I just figured with the proliferation of caps and whatnot, we'd use more fuel and ozone and stront and thus the prices would be reasonable.

[EaTCarbS]

Admittedly, it's been a while since I mined (let alone ice mined) or crunched numbers. I just figured with the proliferation of caps and whatnot, we'd use more fuel and ozone and stront and thus the prices would be reasonable.

ice products are on the rise, the problem is logistics.

[bugme143]

ice products are on the rise, the problem is logistics.

BRB gonna afk AP 60 covetors from Pallas to Jita.

[juicy]

so what would be the consensus on the best (or some of the best) money making techniques with 12 fresh accounts?

[bugme143]

Fresh? Multibox catalyst ganking, probably. After that, therea a few options. Incursions, rorq mining, missions, afk ishtar ratting. Afk ishtar ratting is relatively easy if you go somewhere with serp or gurista rats. Rorq mining requires a serious investment but pays good for mostly afk work.

[EaTCarbS]

so what would be the consensus on the best (or some of the best) money making techniques with 12 fresh accounts?

To be frank, you aren't going to make a lot of ISK with low SP, or with low capital to work with. The quickest way is to obviously pull out the credit card and buy plex. As for activities that are isk printing, you've got SP farms, rorq mining, super ratting, level 5s, multiboxing mining/incursions, etc. If you're nerdy enough to play the market game then you can probably make isk there too.

[Ravenia]

Current Meta Roundup:

Incursions:
Self-tanking FOF RLML Rattlesnakes.



Before on-grid boosting this was easier/simpler, but now what fit/implants do you use? Do you still use a booster or straight up 10 rattles?