Follow In Battlegrounds Broken After 5.2

[smalltanker]

So I have been reading some of the threads (here and in the PVP section) and my question is:

Does the IWT to a druid in travel form work in BGs? If so I think it is time I either account transfer my 86 druid on my daughters account back to mine or power level my 40+ something druid to join my 4 x 89 shaman.

The only other viable option I have heard is IWT to toon on a 3 person mount of potentially a 2 person mount (RAF, Vial, or mechanohog) for resolving BG /follow issues. Sure it only works out of combat but better than nothing and it just means my girls get to go enhancement... uggh!!!

[JohnGabriel]

Does the IWT to a druid in travel form work in BGs?

That doesn't work anyplace.

They are talking about IWT with a multi-person mount.

[smalltanker]

I thought that because druids in travel form are mountable much like RAF mounts or three person tundra or the new ones could be mounted or IWTed to mount them. I'll do some playing around tomorrow when I am home and awake in the afternoon.

Thanks John, I was hoping for some good news/work around as I really don't feel like mouse broadcasting alot to be able to have some decent group movement/PVP functionality.

[MiRai]

Shodokan has already confirmed (http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/49152-I-m-still-doing-BGs-without-follow?p=378781&viewfull=1#post378781) that interacting with Druid Travel Form works just fine.

[JohnGabriel]

Shodokan has already confirmed (http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/49152-I-m-still-doing-BGs-without-follow?p=378781&viewfull=1#post378781) that interacting with Druid Travel Form works just fine.

Yeah I forgot about Glyph of the Stag (http://www.wowhead.com/item=40900).

[heyaz]

That's cool that it works but.... man that's janky. Interact with a stag... until it dies. or mounted and run at its travel form speed. Are we that desperate to do battlegrounds?

... every boxer levels a druid leader. the classic "kill the leader" will be very effective.

If you're the BG/Arena type, I'd cancel your subs until there is word on what they'll do long term... just wasting 5-10 (or more?) subs a month to try expensive gimmick tricks to replace follow.

[thefunk]

That's cool that it works but.... man that's janky. Interact with a stag... until it dies. or mounted and run at its travel form speed. Are we that desperate to do battlegrounds?

... every boxer levels a druid leader. the classic "kill the leader" will be very effective.

If you're the BG/Arena type, I'd cancel your subs until there is word on what they'll do long term... just wasting 5-10 (or more?) subs a month to try expensive gimmick tricks to replace follow.

Our play style has always been "tolerated" and it's our creativity that sets us apart - we are certainly not entitled to anything apart from standard ToS.

Don't discourage creative solutions.

[Owltoid]

That's cool that it works but.... man that's janky. Interact with a stag... until it dies. or mounted and run at its travel form speed. Are we that desperate to do battlegrounds?

... every boxer levels a druid leader. the classic "kill the leader" will be very effective.

If you're the BG/Arena type, I'd cancel your subs until there is word on what they'll do long term... just wasting 5-10 (or more?) subs a month to try expensive gimmick tricks to replace follow.

I thought I saw you in my stream. If so then didn't you see how fluid it works? The Druid version is just a quirk - the regular two person mount works for BGs just fine.

/follow is not coming back for BGs. However, I'm still having a ton of fun and being 90% effective without it. I'm going to start working on arena in the next couple of days. One thing is clear to me - if I lose a battle the vast majority of the time it's because of my skill with my rogues or gear, not because the lack of /follow.

[tialk]

Shodokan has already confirmed (http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/49152-I-m-still-doing-BGs-without-follow?p=378781&viewfull=1#post378781) that interacting with Druid Travel Form works just fine.

we need stag stacking back ;)

http://imgur.com/a/I53yY

[Shania]

Shit... i really dont know what to say......... i have not read forums here for a little while and been nosing around and saw all this and cannot believe it from first to last pages...... wow. just wow.

Various different opnions and interesting points, mine is I agree and believe it was done to kill the boxers in BGs because of the very often crying posts on blizzard forums......... so to get rid of us from bg's. I'm guessing it will eventually hit in RF, Dungeons, Pve especially if boxers are smashing single people down in the open world. :/

My head hurts. Ive been just wasting my time playing wow like I do, playing Ah on all 5 accounts at once, and sometimes raiding on my main which is going nowhere and was going too server transfer just my main to raid, as I was enjoying ToT, if I can actually find a damn decent solid raiding guild Waaaa....my guild fell apart, ppl left, quit, and blah blah.

My real life is has turnt so damn down and upside down the wow kind of keeps me slightly level headed and semi-sane and I have not had a laugh in a good 6 months or so at all, smile here or there, no real laugh, but whoever made that video, I cannot thank you enough, Truely.

You just released me of 6 months of no laughter and I really did laugh so damn much I re-watched it 3 times, its absolutely pure GOLD!! The text is atad fast at times, but it fits movie,actions and all the pun intended so damn well, its actually bloody brilliant.

https://twitter.com/FiveBoxerGrimm/status/310946518175715328

Freakin Awesome, love it, thanks heaps for sharing whoever it was :)

Anyway, real sad times for pvp boxers, really is, so sorry to know about it all.

Money, time shit load of valuable time committed to game, pvp and ........ geee.

[valkry]

That's cool that it works but.... man that's janky. Interact with a stag... until it dies. or mounted and run at its travel form speed. Are we that desperate to do battlegrounds?

... every boxer levels a druid leader. the classic "kill the leader" will be very effective.

If you're the BG/Arena type, I'd cancel your subs until there is word on what they'll do long term... just wasting 5-10 (or more?) subs a month to try expensive gimmick tricks to replace follow.
A boxer telling this community they are wasting money, I lold so hard at the irony

EDIT: so hard

[Chivalrous]

I waste soooo much money.

[EaTCarbS]

I waste soooo much money.

I waste it on EVE now. No regrets

[Ualaa]

I'm looking at other games, to waste it on...
At the moment, digging through my pencil and paper D&D editions... which is free.

[misterkrep]

FOLLOW WORKS!!! in arena!!!

[Noxdiebox]

you serious?

[misterkrep]

works in arena :)
when i opened wow I have seen a minipatch dunno if they did for bgs in arena works

[Owltoid]

very nice :) I was getting my butt handed to me in arena last week, but 80% of that was due to me not being great with my rogues. BGs are easy now and I'm very used to not having follow. Arena will be much easier now since I can get out of dodge when I vanish.

[Shodokan]

Good that it works in arena again. Wondering what comp i want to try and run now outside of quad dk, might be a reason to gear up my enh.

[Sam DeathWalker]

So much for the theory that blizzard was out to get boxers and not bots and that they will slowly eliminate follow in other parts of the game also.

[Fat Tire]

FOLLOW WORKS!!! in arena!!!


http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/181600-3/Crazy-fans-war-face.gif?

[Meathead]

That is all!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXw6znXPfy4

[Wait_what]

So does anyone else think that in the near future (Maybe a month or two) they will bring back bg's /follow?

[Multibocks]

Nope. I think this is a permanent change.

[Wokomehee]

So does anyone else think that in the near future (Maybe a month or two) they will bring back bg's /follow?

I have not lost all hope. I will play my solo char a month or two, to see if they allow /follow in bg again. If not i might try out pve, or just find another boxable game.

[Owltoid]

BGs are fine without follow, as long as you are melee. If you must play a caster/hunter and must do BGs, then WoW is no longer for you.

[ebony]

Nope. I think this is a permanent change.

no one will know this there looking at numbers and seeing if it clears anything up. lax made a post back a few weeks ago about this they need us out as we was massing up of there automated systems if they can work out from the logs of just bots, then follow cloud be be added back in. Or they like the lass of the QQ tickets etc, and not add us back in........ Only time will till.

[Frenzy]

I think we got what we deserve. It has become too easy and too efficient to multi box. We pushed the limits too far. Software like isboxer allows to perform automated actions . You can spam the same button and it will trigger a different action each time. You don't even know exactly what action is gonna be done when you press your same button. Is it howling blast or obliterate? You don't need to know. Boxing like that requires no skills. It allows to do coordinate your team in a way that would be impossible for different players on vent. For instance, round Robindeath grip or mind freeze or remorless winter . Yes, we got what we deserve.

[Owltoid]

I think we got what we deserve. It has become too easy and too efficient to multi box. We pushed the limits too far. Software like isboxer allows to perform automated actions . You can spam the same button and it will trigger a different action each time. You don't even know exactly what action is gonna be done when you press your same button. Is it howling blast or obliterate? You don't need to know. Boxing like that requires no skills. It allows to do coordinate your team in a way that would be impossible for different players on vent. For instance, round Robindeath grip or mind freeze or remorless winter . Yes, we got what we deserve.

Takes no skill? Lol. Ok.

Ever think that multiboxing takes different skills than solo? Just like abilities have different synergy and efficiencies for boxers? I was in a discussion with a solo player about who has the best burst. I insisted enhance, he insisted Mage based on a Swifty video. Neither was wrong, but our definition of burst was clearly different. I was thinking from the perspective of how many GCD to kill someone using multiple toons and he was thinking of damage over a few seconds using a combo. Different viewpoints, different skillsets.

No skill? Lol. Ok again.

[zenga]

Takes no skill? Lol. Ok.

Ever think that multiboxing takes different skills than solo? Just like abilities have different synergy and efficiencies for boxers? I was in a discussion with a solo player about who has the best burst. I insisted enhance, he insisted Mage based on a Swifty video. Neither was wrong, but our definition of burst was clearly different. I was thinking from the perspective of how many GCD to kill someone using multiple toons and he was thinking of damage over a few seconds using a combo. Different viewpoints, different skillsets.

No skill? Lol. Ok again.

I've been eager to make a similar post to what frenzy wrote. For me multiboxing was about controlling multiple characters at once, something you did when you had more than enough control over one char and want that extra challenge. It was only for those who were skilled enough, and a big part was setting up your team. You had to be knowledgeable about the classes, about the macro system, be smart about your healing. Since I joined the boxing community back in the fall of 2009, I saw it getting easier and easier to start multiboxing, while the power you'd obtain only increased. The power of isboxer is incredible, ... but instant window swapping, pixel precise mouse broadcasting, the way it configures a pretty decent setup by default, the whole follow / strobing concept, the integration of jamba, ... those are one by one incredible powerful tools.

Someone who is mediocre at best at the pvp game, buys 5 accounts, gets an isboxer sub, copy/pastes a setup from db.com (including macros/isboxer/jamba config), levels 4 dks and a pally and basically gets 1 button godmode. Without knowing much about the game, his class, the macro system, ... let alone that he is in full control of his toons. There is little problem for the guy to just run around in a random bg, raping opponents one by one, still spamming the same 1 button. And all in a sudden the guy decides that it would even be cooler to have 10 toons and do the same.

A bit exaggerated ... but I saw this exact thing happening with a friend. And I didn't like it at all. He was literally unable to play his dk solo, nor could he write a macro or think for himself what ability he should use. Yet he was able to take on tons of people in a random bg without taking a scratch. And in my opinion that defeats the purpose of the game, and multiboxing in particular. I'm well aware that many will disagree, but that is why I think that removing /follow makes sense, as it brings back the skill aspect (like you prove yourself now doing bgs without follow).

Long story short: I don't think that successful pvp multiboxing should be available for everyone.

[Owltoid]

I love it - for all those that say PvP multiboxing is easy, there are remarkably few that are actually successful at it. I'd say 75% of the multiboxers I run into i random BGs are awful - must be the same peeps who think it's all about spamming one button. I rape them every chance I get.

[Vecter]

Let's stick to the thread discussion and not derail it with offtopic. I have temporarily removed the posts in question.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well as far as getting gear goes I did Oonesta or whatever. First Run computers froze and 1/2 didnt get anything, 2nd run was 7 hours long with wipe after wipe lol. BUT at the end of the day I got FIVE ilevel 522 items (total out of 27 guys)! Woot! Ilevel 522! They are pve but gem with PvP gems and they are pvp gear lol ....

So I really dont see any reason at all to need AV to gear up.

[MiRai]

It's always hard to judge posts like this because of your join date and your total post count (referring to the member I've quoted below), so I have no idea if you've been successfully multiboxing raids since TBC or you just began multiboxing less than six months ago after MoP's release. I'll try not to be too harsh in this reply...


I think we got what we deserve.
While I can somewhat agree with this statement, I don't agree with your reasoning why.


It has become too easy and too efficient to multi box
I would never say that multiboxing is easy, but I would say that the bar has been lowered in order to break into multiboxing these days (beyond the pricetag) due to the community, the widespread of knowledge, and the public guides that are available. In fact, the most recently added feature in WoW which has immensely helped multiboxers was the implementation of Interact with Target -- And it's been almost 3 years since it was added in patch 3.1 (http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/12/15/interact-with-target-keybind-gets-you-past-players-atop-npcs/).


We pushed the limits too far. Software like isboxer allows to perform automated actions.
This is an argument commonly used on the WoW forums in threads that retaliate against multiboxers. Lax has a recent blog post (http://joethemultiboxer.com/2013/01/on-multiboxing-tolerance-and-the-word-automation/) that, I believe, does a good job defining what 'automation' really is (and how game companies view it).


You can spam the same button and it will trigger a different action each time. You don't even know exactly what action is gonna be done when you press your same button. Is it howling blast or obliterate? You don't need to know. Boxing like that requires no skills.
This paragraph is where you're getting your definition that multiboxing is "too easy", but I'm going to go ahead and play devil's advocate here (it's one of my favorite roles to play).

You're correct in saying that spamming keys takes no skill, but it also comes at a major DPS loss. Whether it's procs or positioning or whatever else, multiboxers just can't keep up and that's why we're at a constant disadvantage. When it comes to dealing with procs, multiboxers fall into one of these categories:


Completely avoid proc-based talents and/or skills altogether
Completely avoid classes that rely heavily on procs or positioning for good DPS
Attempt to utilize procs, but not efficiently
Able to utilize procs like a boss and maximizing DPS almost as well as a solo player


Which category do you believe most multiboxers fall into? Hint: It's not the bottom one.

Blizzard has made the game a little easier with every expansion -- whether it's class/ability consolidation or talents being dumbed down into what they are today -- and spamming abilities has become more forgiving over time. Did you play the game when healers had to be efficient with mana and use different ranks (http://www.blogcdn.com/wow.joystiq.com/media/2010/05/spell-ranks.jpg) of each spell?

When we lost the comma-based macro system after WotLK and multiboxers had to actually begin playing their teams to an extent (crowd control lolwut?), our DPS numbers plummeted and many had to heavily "out gear" the content that was available in order to clear it. Cataclysm was a real eye-opener for many players that relied heavily on just mindlessly spamming keys.

However, don't get me wrong... there are those individuals who can multibox very efficiently, but it's most likely on a PvE level where scripted events can be overcome due to repetition. You seem to be stuck on the idea that being able to spam abilities means easy multiboxing. That's clearly not the case or else we'd be dominating Arena, RBGs, and current tier raid content.

[luxlunae]

You don't even know exactly what action is gonna be done when you press your same button.

Everything that Mirai said, plus I'm going to point out that this is true of anyone using castsequence macros.

If anything blizzard has made dpsing harder by making more stuff proc based over the last two expansions.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Troll alert, but I'll bite.

Software like isboxer allows to perform automated actions .
Stopped reading right there. Obvious distortions like that completely undermine whatever else you might be trying to communicate. If you're going to accuse someone else of violations of the "spirit of the <blah>" then try to not be guilty of violations of the "spirit of honest argument." lol

[JohnGabriel]

I can do more automation with my World or Warcraft gaming mouse (http://steelseries.com/products/games/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-mmo-gaming-mouse) and Gaming Keyboard (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/g19-keyboard-for-gaming?crid=26) then I can with IsBoxer.

IsBoxer does not work with the auto-fire thing, but WoW does. So if I wanted to automate macros I would have to do it with WoW only, not through IsBoxer.

[smalltanker]

WOW, lots of deleted posts and lots of over assuming going on.

So lets back it up and I want to share some of my limited experience. I first got in to boxing after getting owned by an elemental shaman team back in S2-4, way back in the day at the end of TBC if I recall. I started small, leveled and it was never easy as I didn't have ISBoxer and as a player was still increasing my knowledge of macros and what not. In that regard we have come along way as a community.

Flash foward 2-3 expansions and I am still getting better at PVP as solo and group play. PVP is never easy. Boxing PVP is never easy or a faceroll. In the last season's closing days I was leveling my shamans in AV after doing some quests. One rogue tied up my whole team the entire AV. I had totems down, spread out earthquakes, occassional elementals... etc... PVP is never easy if you are against a skilled and determined single boxer. If you can work LOS, CC at max range and then re-stealth/kite away before over whelming reprisal hits you then you as a single-boxer are successful. If a multi-boxer can't get that lil thorn out of their side in world PVP try doing it in Arena. There are threads out there of people not being able to overcome a determined rogue/druid who gets the stealth detect buffs and then resetting combat.

Since the late portion of Cata there has been some very vocal single-boxers and multi-boxers on the WOW forums. Most of us who box get slotted against a pre-made team when we used to queue up. I have gone against alliance boxers and QQ premades while running with the Zerg. I think most people over estimate the number of boxers and premades in the BGs but the feedback has hurt us. No one really cares how much of an advantage or disadvantage a boxer brings to the team. You can be sitting in AV/AB/EOTS holding a node and the entire team will be grumpy even if you never lose that node. Even then PVP isn't easy if 3-8 attack you using CC and stealth.

So I will be back in AV shortly (this weekend hopefully ding'ing 90 on my used to be elemental shammy team) and druid if/when I transfer it off of my daughters account tomorrow. I have to work out my teams changes, macros, set-up and try to figue out how 4 enhancements and either a resto/balance/guardian/feral druid can do well together. While doing so I have to figure out how my logitech g600 mouse can make my life easier.

I generally extract portions of the macros from here and then customize my own take on it as I am not a top level boxer but I give it a good try. I don't copy a setup and call it mine, I make my own and play it my way. I think that is what attacts alot of people to this community is the desire to do something different, push their level of group play higher, and over come some self-appointed goals. I would be happy making and maintaining 13-1400 CR rating in 5s. Just something to think about.

[sethlan]

hmm looks like follow is working in arenas :)

[mihon]

hmm looks like follow is working in arenas :)


Thats good, Lets just hope they fix the /follow in BGs as soon as possible so i can subscribe to my wow accounts again.

[MadMilitia]

My reason for leaving really had little to do with BGs. I did 5 box BGs once in a blue moon but it wasn't my thing. Training some guy in no gear was no fun which happened most of the time. Once in a great while a group of medicore to decent players would engage me in teams and that was fun but few and far between. Most of them time it was my 5 box vs 1, 2 or 3 uncoordinated players. In that case I'd win.

There are other obvious reasons to not box WoW. Questing is discouraging. The lack of 5 man content is as well. They plan to keep that trend going too as they won't be adding any further 5 man content to MoP.

I 5 boxed MoP briefly to see the 5 mans and do some of the questing. It was super lame for me so I just left. The BG ban was the icing on the cake.

[Owltoid]

My reason for leaving really had little to do with BGs. I did 5 box BGs once in a blue moon but it wasn't my thing. Training some guy in no gear was no fun which happened most of the time. Once in a great while a group of medicore to decent players would engage me in teams and that was fun but few and far between. Most of them time it was my 5 box vs 1, 2 or 3 uncoordinated players. In that case I'd win.

There are other obvious reasons to not box WoW. Questing is discouraging. The lack of 5 man content is as well. They plan to keep that trend going too as they won't be adding any further 5 man content to MoP.

I 5 boxed MoP briefly to see the 5 mans and do some of the questing. It was super lame for me so I just left. The BG ban was the icing on the cake.

Soooo, in other words you don't like multiboxing?

[sethlan]

Thats good, Lets just hope they fix the /follow in BGs as soon as possible so i can subscribe to my wow accounts again.

if they could bring follow in rbg's i would be happy

[Noxdiebox]

I still play battlegrounds with my 5 enhancement shamans.

a bit harder..

but not a problem.

[MadMilitia]

Soooo, in other words you don't like multiboxing?


PvP isn't all there is to multiboxing. I multiboxed EQ for years and it just had far more interesting PvE content in this regard. It wasn't the central focus to grind dailies and pick up glittery nodes on the ground. This is pretty much how I've come to detest multiboxing WoW.

If collections were group wide and they had a focus on 5 man content WoW would be better off for multiboxing even without BGs.

[JohnGabriel]

The collection quests are a big pain, but they are much much better than previous expansions. The items respawn so fast that sometimes I just run in a circle collecting them.

[luxlunae]

The collection quests are a big pain, but they are much much better than previous expansions. The items respawn so fast that sometimes I just run in a circle collecting them.


Have you been doing them since 5.2? I heard that on the ptr a whole group was supposed to get credit for collection quests when one person looted. Were we misinformed?

[crowdx]

Have you been doing them since 5.2? I heard that on the ptr a whole group was supposed to get credit for collection quests when one person looted. Were we misinformed?

It never made it to the 5.2 release :(

[Chivalrous]

5.2 really killed WoW for me. No new 5 mans and a ton of dailies just ruined it. 5.3 has interesting changes, but not enough to bring me back. I may just wait until 6.0

[Grobi]

I still play battlegrounds with my 5 enhancement shamans.

a bit harder..

but not a problem.

Will you tell us how you handle movement now?
Do you use multimount and IWT?


And what do you do in combat situations (no mount)?


Or is this top secret? ^^

[MadMilitia]

5.2 really killed WoW for me. No new 5 mans and a ton of dailies just ruined it. 5.3 has interesting changes, but not enough to bring me back. I may just wait until 6.0


Pretty much how I feel about it.

All my guys are 90 so just on ice until news comes out about shared group questing and interesting 5 man content like BRD.

[Wait_what]

I'm personally fine with no BG follow for the time I can arena just fine still and I actually enjoy leveling toons now because of it and PvE is still fun. Plus I normally cant bring my 3 toons into BG with my guildies since we got so many who want to xD

also how viable would 3 S.priest be in Dungeons as DPS?

[MiRai]

also how viable would 3 S.priest be in Dungeons as DPS?
This is neither the thread nor the forum for this question.

Open a new thread in the appropriate forum.

[MyLittlePwny]

I have a Theory how Follow works on Battlegrounds. It is nothing with IWT.

I will test it and post a guide as soon as possible.

[Noxdiebox]

Will you tell us how you handle movement now?
Do you use multimount and IWT?


And what do you do in combat situations (no mount)?


Or is this top secret? ^^

There are enough mounts/pets/items which you can interact with.

http://s1.directupload.net/images/130324/cr8qejgy.png

[sethlan]

I love it - for all those that say PvP multiboxing is easy, there are remarkably few that are actually successful at it. I'd say 75% of the multiboxers I run into i random BGs are awful - must be the same peeps who think it's all about spamming one button. I rape them every chance I get.

PvP multiboxing ain't easy. The main point is to stay alive and the more you box the harder it gets. i'm talking about facing a group of people-

They should slap /follow in RBG's as they did arenas :) and i would be happy camper.

[Owltoid]

PvP multiboxing ain't easy. The main point is to stay alive and the more you box the harder it gets. i'm talking about facing a group of people-

They should slap /follow in RBG's as they did arenas :) and i would be happy camper.

Frankly, if you're having troubles in random BGs without /follow, then I can't see how you'd be successful in RBGs with /follow. The removal of follow isn't a big deal for melee boxers.

[pinotnoir]

Frankly, if you're having troubles in random BGs without /follow, then I can't see how you'd be successful in RBGs with /follow. The removal of follow isn't a big deal for melee boxers.


Even with melee it's a big deal. Simple things like running up a tower are next to impossible. It was hard enough keeping them together for it with follow. The change really killed it for me. I enjoyed making a difference in the bg's prior to the change.

[Owltoid]

Even with melee it's a big deal. Simple things like running up a tower are next to impossible. It was hard enough keeping them together for it with follow. The change really killed it for me. I enjoyed making a difference in the bg's prior to the change.

There are many ways you can contribute to the success of your team without running up a tower. However, as alliance I was still spending a large amount of the BG guarding IWB against horde very successfully. As long as you stick to the alliance towers (for either offense or defense) you can play a limited version of the tower game.

The only BGs where you may have a big change are the two 10-man capture the flag BGs. WSG is probably the most difficult, but you can still help the team win by controlling the mid.

If anyone watched my stream and disagrees that I was very effective in BGs then please speak up - I can take the criticism. I'd say I streamed a good 40 hours of BGs over the last 10 days and rarely ever was the lack of /follow a huge hindrance.

[Peri Helion]

If anyone watched my stream and disagrees that I was very effective in BGs then please speak upI watched quite a bit of it and I would not disagree with you. However, you are a top end multiboxer, and as you say primarily melee.

Now Since Blizzard has not outlawed multiboxing in BGs, but as Bashiok said in his post about /follow being removed
we were ok with it also resulting in multiboxing in battlegrounds also going away due to the poor experience it can create for others. Do you think think the "others" (i.e. the majority casual solo players) are having a better experience with the average multiboxer still playing in battlegrounds, but only less effectively than before when they had /follow?

Granted Owltoid, your play is minimally impacted, but it would seem that an average boxer with casters will be much more noticeably impacted, and therefore likely to create an even "poorer experience for others".

P.s. The only gripe I had with your streaming was logging in to your channel and seeing "FTL" as the message and thinking for the few seconds it took to load that maybe Blizzard had reverted /follow for BGs, only to find you were playing the space strategy game FTL lol.

[ebony]

so far no luck off of follow on the ptr in 5.3

[heyaz]

I see zero reason for them to add it back.

Multiboxers did, unfortunately, cause a bad experience for both sides of the battleground in many, many instances. You run a gimmick comp, undergeared, or suck? You cause a bad experience for your team. You're geared to the teeth, play twinks, or got your PVP system down? You cause a bad and very unexpected experience for the other team. Complaints from both sides.

This is obviously not the case all the time, there are friendly teams that won't blame you for the loss or will give you credit for the win, and enemy teams that got a riot out of playing against a multiboxer whether they got stomped or not. But obviously there were far too many complaints about the experience it caused.

There were just too many multiboxers, and it's gotten harder every expansion. 2-3 expansions ago people rarely or never ran into them, were amazed, puzzled, or whatever, not flooding the forums and report system with complaints.

And by too many multiboxers I don't imply that we are some army that has enough say to sway this kind of decision. We're a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the PVP population in this game.

[ebony]

I see zero reason for them to add it back.

Multiboxers did, unfortunately, cause a bad experience for both sides of the battleground in many, many instances. You run a gimmick comp, undergeared, or suck? You cause a bad experience for your team. You're geared to the teeth, play twinks, or got your PVP system down? You cause a bad and very unexpected experience for the other team. Complaints from both sides.

This is obviously not the case all the time, there are friendly teams that won't blame you for the loss or will give you credit for the win, and enemy teams that got a riot out of playing against a multiboxer whether they got stomped or not. But obviously there were far too many complaints about the experience it caused.

There were just too many multiboxers, and it's gotten harder every expansion. 2-3 expansions ago people rarely or never ran into them, were amazed, puzzled, or whatever, not flooding the forums and report system with complaints.

And by too many multiboxers I don't imply that we are some army that has enough say to sway this kind of decision. We're a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the PVP population in this game.

The random bots in bg's that killed us. most players just said we was bots with the bots but we been though this before. pvp just got really bad.

they should remove all group play from random bg's to make it fair player+friends=a lot more then what a single mboxer can do just my pov. but there free to walk round bg's still making it hell on random players.

well i quit anyway i just can not gear my chars. i like randoms i lost more then i ever won if i play solo it was the same win/lost but whatever. saves me money anyway.

[smalltanker]

Has any one tried Tiny's oFollow? Watched him in Ogrimmar trying it out the otherday in the troll section.

[JohnGabriel]

Has any one tried Tiny's oFollow? Watched him in Ogrimmar trying it out the otherday in the troll section.

Couldn't find anything about this on Google, Curse, or WoWInterface. Where is his website?

[MiRai]

Couldn't find anything about this on Google, Curse, or WoWInterface. Where is his website?
It's G-14 classified.

[smalltanker]

solidice.com/oFollow ... still in beta, he has version 0.4 on website and is working on 0.5. Solidice.com has his current version of oQueue, oMail, and Keyclone as well. I haven't tried it out yet but I did DL and install it to my wow/interface/addon folder. The self-extractor doesn't work yet like it does with oQueue. So use at own risk as it is a work in progress using the WOW ingame LUA addon programming whatnots (Not a programmer ... so ... yeah whatnots /wink wink). I don't know if their is a thread over on the oqueue forum as I can't view it at work. I will be checking it after work and my restodruid is 87.5 so at 89 I will join her up to my 4 89 shaman to finish the push to 90 in Dreadwaste and AV while I resolve my set up, macros, and stuff like that.

See you all later.

[MadMilitia]

Random BGs are God awful even without multiboxers in them. You'll get the occasional teams that play to win. All the remaining are people farming HKs, testing macros and just chatting away or trolling.

Multiboxing was just a scapegoat for the complaining everyone does about random BGs. My opinion on it is that random BGs shouldn't even exist. Not in their current state anyway. The fact you much have to do them to acquire honor is also stupid.

I'll hold true to my thoughts on it. When you have a large section of the playerbase botting the content, the content needs to go. There is no better way to tell a developer how much you hate a piece of content than to bot it.

[smalltanker]

I know when I BG on my team I actively work towards BG objectives. I alsi don't do small BGs (IE 10 mans) but will do 15 man and I like AV and IOC. In AV I will either cap a tower of defend something like Tower Point. When I want to change it up I will speed north, cap relief hut in the alliance base and then grab a tower. After that I float between north/south bunker and ensure the GY across the bridge stays capped. I have some decent screen shots from previous AV weekends where I was rocking top damage/kills by doing what we do best "Focus Fire".

I have also been griped at so much from middle farmers, road warriors, and QQers that I pretty much quit WOW after the 5.2 /follow issues. I just love the game and still play rated BGs on 2 toons, do LFR on the same two solo played toons and will be grinding some BGs with my daughter this week who just hit 90 tonight on her first toon. I do believe that Blizzard should do some better match making and it looks like 5.3 is taking steps along that way.

Returning to the thread I just want to hit 89 to join my team then hit 90, do some BGs and get into that arena content Lax has been discussing in other theads. I feel 1 druid and 4 shaman will be able to do some decent rating once I get my head screwed on straight and set my stuff up the right way. But even today I was actively reporting botters in BGs and it sickens me that Blizzard removed paying legit customers but left botters (even the more advance non /follow botters) in the BGs at our expense... /uggh.

[JohnGabriel]

[..snip..]
I'll hold true to my thoughts on it. When you have a large section of the playerbase botting the content, the content needs to go. There is no better way to tell a developer how much you hate a piece of content than to bot it.

Back in the days of MuDs the developers did just that. Like how hacker used to be a term describing a knowledgeable programmer it now means bad things, just like the word bots.

Something happened when big money got involved, not just the money the corporations make but also what the player base can make. But hopefully the venus project is real.

[ebony]

PvP multiboxing ain't easy. The main point is to stay alive and the more you box the harder it gets. i'm talking about facing a group of people-

They should slap /follow in RBG's as they did arenas :) and i would be happy camper.

some of the rbg are using the same maps as the random's bg's so they can not add follow to them yet. (what i been told) so they would have to copy them over and change some stuff maybe in the next patch they are looking into it but still.

[Blubber]

...

I'll hold true to my thoughts on it. When you have a large section of the playerbase botting the content, the content needs to go. There is no better way to tell a developer how much you hate a piece of content than to bot it.

It's not the content that makes people use bots, it's a risk/reward thing. They should either remove the reward (which would make playing BGs useless for any other purpose then PvP) or increase the risk involved in botting.

Since they can't do the first, because people like to be rewarded, and playing without gaining anything would suck. They should try do accomplish the latter (which is way harder, and more expensive.)

By removing /follow from BGs all they did is make it slightly harder for some bots to operate, which, instead of combatting botting, will only force people to use better software, which will make the bots harder to detect and combat in the future. Like in real live, when you prohibit something, you're punishing honest folk, and pushing offenders to be more creative and elusive.

Detecting bots is probably quite hard to do (involves a lot of manual work), but I think that in the end, it's the only thing they can (and should) do. I think that another problem here is that they basically removed the community feeling that individual servers had in the past. You can now just bot or buy gold at virtually no risk at all, where in the past, people got identified as cheaters by the community, making it hardder for them to join guilds and enjoy content. Nowadays you can do just about anything without ever speaking to anyone on your srever.

Anyway, long story short. I think that the follow nerf is not going to combat bots at all in the long run, and I hope Blizzard will add /follow back in when they realize this.

[MadMilitia]

Back in the days of MuDs the developers did just that. Like how hacker used to be a term describing a knowledgeable programmer it now means bad things, just like the word bots.

Something happened when big money got involved, not just the money the corporations make but also what the player base can make. But hopefully the venus project is real.

The problem with the design theory is that everyone wants something different. Believe it or not there are a lot of people who really like the direction WoW is going in. I'm not one of them. I don't think many here are. Dailies piss me off to no end. But that's just my preference.

If at any point a large company like Blizzard decides I'm of the minority then the game won't be designed for me in mind. It is the same as being left handed. The market has always sucked for left handed devices in this way.

I can't really fault them there. It cost money to develop new features for a game and to support existing features. If the Farmville crowd makes them more cash then so be it. It just won't involve my money. Frankly, and it is just my opinion, the game is salvageable. There are moments where it is fun. Just a great amount of it is not fun. So they could tweak the environments on certain servers to appeal to a different crowd. This way everyone gets what they want.

It is like Mr. Fresco points out in that Venus Project. We start with a less than Utopian idea. It'll never be Utopian WoW will never be able to cover all bases for enjoyment. So it has to make due with what it knows and expand on that when possible. Some minor alterations may escape them though and the state of their design leaves much to be desired from me. Not just in WoW but company wide.


It's not the content that makes people use bots, it's a risk/reward thing.

Gonna have to disagree with you on that. I enjoyed the grind in WoW back in the BC era because I was a college student with little to focus on in the real world. Add a 40 hour work week, pets, children and a home to keep up with and the rigors of the MMO are much less dynamic. As a result much less fun.

This is true of all games though. Save for Dark Souls, there are not many games I bother with anymore. Dark Souls is the exception because the amount of dynamic interaction parceled out is unmatched by any game on the market. The only other thing that comes close is WoW PvP. People wonder why people take PvP in WoW seriously not considering that it offers the most dynamic of interactions in the game. It can be a drag at times but it is far preferable to the scripted rehashed events in PvE.

So maybe the game hasn't gotten worse. It just hasn't gotten better.


They should either remove the reward (which would make playing BGs useless for any other purpose then PvP) or increase the risk involved in botting.

Since they can't do the first, because people like to be rewarded, and playing without gaining anything would suck. They should try do accomplish the latter (which is way harder, and more expensive.)

By removing /follow from BGs all they did is make it slightly harder for some bots to operate, which, instead of combatting botting, will only force people to use better software, which will make the bots harder to detect and combat in the future. Like in real live, when you prohibit something, you're punishing honest folk, and pushing offenders to be more creative and elusive.

Detecting bots is probably quite hard to do (involves a lot of manual work), but I think that in the end, it's the only thing they can (and should) do. I think that another problem here is that they basically removed the community feeling that individual servers had in the past. You can now just bot or buy gold at virtually no risk at all, where in the past, people got identified as cheaters by the community, making it hardder for them to join guilds and enjoy content. Nowadays you can do just about anything without ever speaking to anyone on your srever.

Anyway, long story short. I think that the follow nerf is not going to combat bots at all in the long run, and I hope Blizzard will add /follow back in when they realize this.

It won't stop the bots. People who don't have the time nor inclination to grind 30k honor for every toon on their account will not grind it. They'll skirt the requirements on that in one way or another. Be it undergeared arenas, RBG carry, botting or the like.

Botting is not an easy thing to detect. Simply because most of the detection routines are very CPU intensive across a large database of concurrent sessions. This explains in part why the /report tool was modified back in 5.1. This allows player eyes to serve as the first step in detection, thereby removing much of the CPU crunch involved in detection routines. It isn't a perfect system. Multiboxers can attest to that. It'll never be a perfect system either. As many gatherers who don't bot can attest to as well.

The only recourse is to give people who bot alternatives to what exist today. Nobody bots arenas, RGBs or heroic raids because those are end game in their respective genres. It is the grind up to those end game environments that needs a serious look. The game itself may even grow more popular as a result while eliminating any reason to bot content.

[suicidesspyder]

Ok i have a question i like to mix up my toons playing pve n pvp because as we all know either or is a mad grind to do all of one type. So how is everyone working this no follow bs in bgs. Are you just broadcasting through with your wasd keys or any other type of trick. Just trying to get a grasp in bgs minus the follow idea. Maybe once i get an idea i can tweak it for a caster type class.

[valkry]

Ok i have a question i like to mix up my toons playing pve n pvp because as we all know either or is a mad grind to do all of one type. So how is everyone working this no follow bs in bgs. Are you just broadcasting through with your wasd keys or any other type of trick. Just trying to get a grasp in bgs minus the follow idea. Maybe once i get an idea i can tweak it for a caster type class.
AV, get to mid... proceed to troll

[Ualaa]

Or turn around and say, Blizzard has shown they don't really want our money if they bring in crap like this.
There are other options out there, or save yourself 75/150 a month and take a break.

It's your money and your free time.
Spend as you will, on what you find to be fun.

[Multibocks]

nm doh

[Asterix]

because of the bots...yeah... I see...



Disabling auto follow in Battle Grounds has only hurt the multi boxer.
The problem is when multi boxers are having fun in PvP, everyone else often is not.

https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/status/322396622594125824

[ebony]

because of the bots...yeah... I see...



Disabling auto follow in Battle Grounds has only hurt the multi boxer.
The problem is when multi boxers are having fun in PvP, everyone else often is not.

https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/status/322396622594125824

whatever there choice is i don't care anymore blizzard has lost a lot of this and am happy about not playing there game anymore its all about the "kids" now.

[Multibocks]

because of the bots...yeah... I see...



Disabling auto follow in Battle Grounds has only hurt the multi boxer.
The problem is when multi boxers are having fun in PvP, everyone else often is not.

https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/status/322396622594125824

Those lying m%therf$#ckers!

[Lyonheart]

Why are they not liable for the many thousands of dollars that multiboxers have invested in the game to be able to multibox PvP? It seems like a good case could be brought against them in court. They permitted it at one time.. they are "hiding" behind the "bot" excuse for legal reasons IMO. But statements like GC made, could be used against that argument. Lets face it.. they would never break a part of the game that would keep solo players from being able to play. You could also use the plethora of posts blizzard has made in DEFENCE of multiboxing in PVP against them. They "knowingly" removed a feature in a game that breaks a style of play that depends on it. And its a style of play that they approved of for all the past years of this games life. NO comment by a blue was ever negative until Zarhags " we tolerate it, for now." comment.

This just eats at me everytime i see someone post about it.. and GCs comments just pissed me off even more. It seems criminal..only because they led us all to believe we were safe to invest our money in this game, to play how we like to play. And then took it away in an instant with no regards to how it would effect multiboxers.. emotionally and financially. They could be held liable in court for encouraging a style of game play.. for bribing many of us into spending more money by offering easy means to level more accounts ( RaF ).

Ok.. ill take my meds and go to work /crazy off

[suicidesspyder]

You know what sucks they still permit it just in pve types of situations. They take away follow to screw the bots yet i still see them in battlgrounds. I mean i even suggested to them instead of removing follow to check on people. I mean if theres a report on someone whisper them. If they answer back and talk to you then more then likely they are a mbxer I mean they are only punishing themselves. Right now i mean 60 extra a month from me doesnt seem like much but thats 720 more a year from one person. Plus how about how many boxers there really are. Thats thousands of dollars they are losing. They need to bring back follow but monitor the reports and take the right action not just get ban happy. Pay attention to mouse click software in pvp to see people doing the same patterns. They bring back follow i would bring mine back. I miss pvp with my toons. I mean i like to pve and farm mats and play ah game but that only stays fun for a small amount of time. There should be another thing that maybe jamba can do to strobe that could help out i dont know if its just a fantasy idea but hey. Bring back pvp i want to play lol.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I dont see what the big loss is, sure AV was also the most fun for me as well but I hardly miss it at all now.

Gear is easyer then it has ever been with the 4 world boss mobs, crafting allowing high level gear, and I am making farms for harmony.

I have not had to raid or quest at all (well the farms are quest kinda) and am gearing up very well.

As to pvp, because I am on a pvp server (and if you really wanted to pvp in the first place you would be on a pvp server) there is just no shortage around the world boss mobs. Nalak is so easy to get 522 ilevel loot off of everyone almost has to do him, just stay there and wait for your oppenents to come to you. Or do the pvp dailies surely there will be oppenents on the isle of thunder enemy camp during prime time.

I was doing Gal two days ago and 6-8 ally showed up to try him or cause us trouble, and I guess they never seen me before but I tore through them before they could organize and they flew around a bit and left lol ....

You guys are all making a big deal out of almost nothing, although I do fully agree with what was said in the above two posts.

[suicidesspyder]

Good point Same. But to me sometimes the thrill of av was wiping them at galv or belinda. Or sometimes sitting inside a tower and dropping them as soon as they entered lol. Sitting there with 5 times dks and 5 times army of the dead target me now lol. I might bring my others back soon just to do my normal instances and farming and catching people leaving bgs.

[dancook]

Why are they not liable for the many thousands of dollars that multiboxers have invested in the game to be able to multibox PvP? It seems like a good case could be brought against them in court.

How about Blizz get bored of making money and turn the wow servers off :) does everyone get to sue them?

[Multibocks]

Sam if they break follow in BGs do they stop there? What if they decide people aren't having fun on world pvp and the break follow there too? It's clear they don't care for us, but they'll take our money. What they would really like is your paying for your multiple accounts and never log in. Not another cent from me.

[EaTCarbS]

Why are they not liable for the many thousands of dollars that multiboxers have invested in the game to be able to multibox PvP? It seems like a good case could be brought against them in court. I stopped reading there. I thought I read my 'silliest thing of the day' a moment ago, but this just took its place. If you're ready to spend an ungodly amount of money on a superbly good lawyer for a case you have nearly no chance of winning, than be my guest. (You've agreed to Blizzard's TOS by using their software, so good luck!) The best thing anyone can do is to unrustle their jimmies over some internet pixels, and move on. I've found my own great niche in EVE online, and many other folks here are doing other things as well.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Sam if they break follow in BGs do they stop there? What if they decide people aren't having fun on world pvp and the break follow there too? It's clear they don't care for us, but they'll take our money. What they would really like is your paying for your multiple accounts and never log in. Not another cent from me.

About a year or two ago I didnt log in 10 of my accounts for 6 months (at all not even one time, or longer I forgot) and I got them to extend my subscriptions for that period of time free ....

You are making an assumption about something that has not happened, ya I agree they dont care about us but they will not go out of their way to do anything about us unless there are TONS of complaints about our activities; in LFG type BGs there in fact were tons of complaints, from the enemy that you are too effective and from your own team members that you are not effective (lol) ...

There might be cause for a lawsuit, say that the Indy 500 decided tommorow that they would only allow horses and not cars, could they be sued by race car owners who have invested heavy over the years to win their car race?

[Lyonheart]

I stopped reading there. I thought I read my 'silliest thing of the day' a moment ago, but this just took its place. If you're ready to spend an ungodly amount of money on a superbly good lawyer for a case you have nearly no chance of winning, than be my guest. (You've agreed to Blizzard's TOS by using their software, so good luck!) The best thing anyone can do is to unrustle their jimmies over some internet pixels, and move on. I've found my own great niche in EVE online, and many other folks here are doing other things as well.


When you stop reading before the end of a statement.. and then comment, you make yourself look like a fool. I was voicing my frustration.. you did notice the "/crazy off" at the end right? It was a rant, I know damn well its not winnable..

Do you think anyone of the people who spent the money they have to box ( for PvP ) would have done so had Bliz given them a clue that they would someday remove /follow from BGs? I dont think so.. Why did they do it? Based on Blizzards own statements of defence for multiboxing in PvP and PvE, they had no reason to not invest their hard earned money on this so called "pixels". Or they would not have done it.

[heyaz]

When you stop reading before the end of a statement.. and then comment, you make yourself look like a fool. I was voicing my frustration.. you did notice the "/crazy off" at the end right? It was a rant, I know damn well its not winnable..

Do you think anyone of the people who spent the money they have to box ( for PvP ) would have done so had Bliz given them a clue that they would someday remove /follow from BGs? I dont think so.. Why did they do it? Based on Blizzards own statements of defence for multiboxing in PvP and PvE, they had no reason to not invest their hard earned money on this so called "pixels". Or they would not have done it.

No, you look like the fool with the ridiculous threat of legal action over something trivial. Blizzard doesn't owe you anything in this regard. People quit and unsub all the time because features are removed or class abilities are changed but this whole /we're special because we pay for multiple accounts so we could pursue legal action/ is pitiful. I couldn't imagine a... warrior that unsubbed due to class nerfs threatening legal action.

We all took a risk doing this, investing time and money into a completely unsupported and (barely) tolerated style of play for which the game was not even designed.

It'd be really nice if those of you still crying about this change would give it up already, quit posting nonsense here and on the wow forums, and move on. The player base likes to imagine the multiboxing community as one person or one type of person and the few of us still doing it and enjoying it would really appreciate it if you just up and left and stopped making the rest of us look bad.

[Lyonheart]

No, you look like the fool with the ridiculous threat of legal action over something trivial. Blizzard doesn't owe you anything in this regard. People quit and unsub all the time because features are removed or class abilities are changed but this whole /we're special because we pay for multiple accounts so we could pursue legal action/ is pitiful. I couldn't imagine a... warrior that unsubbed due to class nerfs threatening legal action.

We all took a risk doing this, investing time and money into a completely unsupported and (barely) tolerated style of play for which the game was not even designed.

It'd be really nice if those of you still crying about this change would give it up already, quit posting nonsense here and on the wow forums, and move on. The player base likes to imagine the multiboxing community as one person or one type of person and the few of us still doing it and enjoying it would really appreciate it if you just up and left and stopped making the rest of us look bad.

Again an idiot who does not read the entirety of my post.. i never threatened anything. I was simply voicing how i feel about it.. did I ever say i was going to take them to court?

[Ughmahedhurtz]

No, you look like the fool with the ridiculous threat of legal action over something trivial. Blizzard doesn't owe you anything in this regard. People quit and unsub all the time because features are removed or class abilities are changed but this whole /we're special because we pay for multiple accounts so we could pursue legal action/ is pitiful. I couldn't imagine a... warrior that unsubbed due to class nerfs threatening legal action.
I think you just proved his point. :p

[flux1]

Disabling auto follow in Battle Grounds has only hurt the multi boxer.
The problem is when multi boxers are having fun in PvP, everyone else often is not.

https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/status/322396622594125824

I haven't checked the site in a few days so just now saw this. I'm not surprised as a few people guessed they knew it wouldn't stop bots all along. I guess his mage encountered a 5+boxer in AV and he "stopped having fun".

[Palee]

I guess one of us was unlucky and [beat up] GC in a few BGs and then he had an AH-HA moment and said to himself "This is it, I'm not having fun, this is UNFAIR, let's ban multi-boxing". But didn't for one moment think to compare it with pugs vs premades, which is exactly the same thing like pugs vs boxers, except that premades are a LOT more effective.

[Asterix]

as GC (nearly) clearly said: when MBs are having fun in PVP the others cry, that's why we removed the /follow in the BGs.

Anyone ever thought about the idea that if MBs stay out of the BGs now and do PVP at the actual quest hubs
the players will cry again on the forums and blizzard might think about removing the whole /follow command?

[luxlunae]

as GC (nearly) clearly said: when MBs are having fun in PVP the others cry, that's why we removed the /follow in the BGs.

Anyone ever thought about the idea that if MBs stay out of the BGs now and do PVP at the actual quest hubs
the players will cry again on the forums and blizzard might think about removing the whole /follow command?


I think that the number of multiboxers interested in doing that is very low.

[ebony]

as GC (nearly) clearly said: when MBs are having fun in PVP the others cry, that's why we removed the /follow in the BGs.

Anyone ever thought about the idea that if MBs stay out of the BGs now and do PVP at the actual quest hubs
the players will cry again on the forums and blizzard might think about removing the whole /follow command?

they still gave us follow back in arena they just if they wonted us out off anything then it was just random play.

[heyaz]

I think that the number of multiboxers interested in doing that is very low.

Agree. Whether they're interested or not though, I don't think there are any multiboxers even capable of doing that [causing enough trouble] anyway - at least anywhere where it would matter - like Shrine, Halfhill, Org/SW, Nalak. Even if someone were really bent on camping somewhere indefinitely that might be possible - like Duskwood or something, and pulled it off on some low-pop CRZ, I'm not sure which would happen first - them losing interest or a GM simply porting them out and suspending them for griefing.

[zzzzzzz1]

The People That Are Complaing in Blizzard It Shouldnt Matter We The Ones Paying are Game And Besides In This Age Anyone Can multibox But They Dont Want To So Its There Problem All I Know Im Having Funing 1 Shooting Them

[Fat Tire]

The People That Are Complaing in Blizzard It Shouldnt Matter We The Ones Paying are Game And Besides In This Age Anyone Can multibox But They Dont Want To So Its There Problem All I Know Im Having Funing 1 Shooting Them


http://ilawled.com/images/8758-I-can-catch-lightning-in-a-bottle-/fitted.jpg?1316653826

[JohnGabriel]

If they didn't remove follow then all the cool computer nerds would be at home playing WoW, instead of outside sharing their genius with the rest of the world.

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[ebony]

on the PTR follow seems to work in WSG now not sure if this is on live the other bg's i tryed av/eos it seems to say the same thing as before. not got any live accounts to test it on. maybe they added follow for RBG? and WSG is using the same map as the random play. Or maybe its a bug?


just letting you know anyway.

[neodon0513]

I think they might be reconsidering the change. I opened a ticket to express my disappointment and got a personal response including the statement, "the removal of the /follow command is something we are reconsidering due to the feedback we've gotten so far."

[MiRai]

I think they might be reconsidering the change. I opened a ticket to express my disappointment and got a personal response including the statement, "the removal of the /follow command is something we are reconsidering due to the feedback we've gotten so far."
No offense, but being a brand new registered user as of today, I think we're going to need to see a screenshot of that ticket in order to not completely discredit what you're saying.

[neodon0513]

I understand what you're saying. No offense taken. Here is a screenshot of the GM's response:

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Definitely no guarantees, but I see it as a glimmer of hope.

Regards

[zenga]

I understand what you're saying. No offense taken. Here is a screenshot of the GM's response:


No offense, but being a brand new registered user as of today, I think we're going to need an image of the hard drive you've used to make that screenshot to make sure you didn't use photoshop, in order to not completely discredit what you're saying.

[neodon0513]

I've already contacted Denzel Washington to see if I can borrow that time-folding device from the movie Deja Vu. We'll be able to watch me open the ticket response as it happened, and possibly even shine a laser pointer in my eye. That'll learn me.

To stay relevant to the topic, here is an interesting observation I made regarding CTM. You can CTM/IWT to a player if they are on a different realm. So, if you were to have all your multiboxing characters on different realms, you could set up a CTM/IWT spam system to follow the leader.

[ebony]

I've already contacted Denzel Washington to see if I can borrow that time-folding device from the movie Deja Vu. We'll be able to watch me open the ticket response as it happened, and possibly even shine a laser pointer in my eye. That'll learn me.

To stay relevant to the topic, here is an interesting observation I made regarding CTM. You can CTM/IWT to a player if they are on a different realm. So, if you were to have all your multiboxing characters on different realms, you could set up a CTM/IWT spam system to follow the leader.

i will be trying this.


this does not work (on the ptr anyway)

[MiRai]

Some more recent evidence that Blizzard is possibly working on bringing back /follow to battlegrounds:

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Image courtesy of a fellow multiboxer who wishes to remain anonymous. :)

[Oatboat]

I'd probably resub for some pvp if they did.

[fossilburner]

Some more recent evidence that Blizzard is possibly working on bringing back /follow to battlegrounds:

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Image courtesy of a fellow multiboxer who wishes to remain anonymous. :)

I take what those GM say with a grain of salt. :-(

[Lax]

I dunno guys, since they completely eliminated bots from battlegrounds by removing /follow, and everyone is having fun in PVP now that there's no multiboxers in battlegrounds, I see no reason why they would want to bring it back. Mission accomplished!

Just a simple cost-benefit analysis reveals how great of a change this was, I mean look at the numbers... by shaving off 1.3 million subscribers, they can now trim down their development AND customer service costs. Plus, Blizzard employees get profit sharing, so by trimming the size of their teams, each of the employees that Blizzard wants to keep around also stands to gain a higher percentage of the profit! All they really have to do is find another group of hardcore fans to eliminate from the game! Imagine if they could trim the WoW team to the size of the Hearthstone team; what a great move!

/s

[Chumbucket]

Lax,
You rock. Thanks for helping me have some of the most fun I can remember. I loved boxing AV.

Just checking back because I heard Rift was going Free to Play and wondered what the state of boxing WoW was. I guess the Blizz stockholders may be interested if they had a 1.3 million subscriber drop. I've taken a break from boxing and bought a paddle board with my savings. It's pretty fun but in a different way.

Interesting they may bring /follow back to bgs. I don't think I'll come back to Blizz because of the way they treated us. Maybe if they apologize and promise not to crit backstab us again.

[flux1]

If they took it away once without notice in the middle of the night, there is nothing preventing them from doing so again. Anyone going back if they reverse the change keep that in mind before blowing a sizable amount of money to get boxing with wow again.

[muhammad ali]

If they took it away once without notice in the middle of the night, there is nothing preventing them from doing so again. Anyone going back if they reverse the change keep that in mind before blowing a sizable amount of money to get boxing with wow again.

Life is a gamble, we all live once and we all die! Plain and simple, a guy can do whatever he wants/needs with his money :)

[Palee]

If these rumors are true, it looks like taking /follow away from BGs hit them a lot harder than they expected. Let's wait and see...

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I dunno guys, since they completely eliminated bots from battlegrounds by removing /follow, and everyone is having fun in PVP now that there's no multiboxers in battlegrounds, I see no reason why they would want to bring it back. Mission accomplished!

Just a simple cost-benefit analysis reveals how great of a change this was, I mean look at the numbers... by shaving off 1.3 million subscribers, they can now trim down their development AND customer service costs. Plus, Blizzard employees get profit sharing, so by trimming the size of their teams, each of the employees that Blizzard wants to keep around also stands to gain a higher percentage of the profit! All they really have to do is find another group of hardcore fans to eliminate from the game! Imagine if they could trim the WoW team to the size of the Hearthstone team; what a great move!

/s
Heh....I got a good chuckle out of that. ;)

[Mickthathick]

I find waiting for a bg to start with a group of bots the creepiest thing in the world. All those cold, dead eyes, staring back at me as I ADHD jump at the gate, so so creepy.

[MadMilitia]

When people get sick of the solo game they do one of two things. They either leave the game for good (and likely the entire genre) or they find different ways to play it (aka multibox).

Some have the pockets deep enough to afford multiple subscriptions. Some don't. However I believe the most expensive MMO in history has enough financial wherewithal to cater to multiboxers in numerous ways. Yes, even if that group only consists of 1% of the entire base which isn't a number I agree with.

They could use realID as the conversation suggested. They could also allow alts on the same account to be played simultaneously by a single user. Setup something in the in-game pet system for players to give commands to their alts and have them tank, heal and DPS or whatever.

Not only would this give players a different way to play but it would also add incentive for players to level up alts. Just so they could play the game differently.

[JohnGabriel]

I had different results when contacting a GM. He doesn't believe follow will ever return.

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[MadMilitia]

I had different results when contacting a GM. He doesn't believe follow will ever return.

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That could mean that it is currently being considered but nobody knows until the higher ups make up their mind.


Frankly I wouldn't be surprised. Keep in mind not everyone used IsBoxer/InnerSpace. Some used hotkeynet, some used a tab shift methodology but ALL of them used /follow. Also the loss in subscription numbers would not be explained by banned trial accounts as a sub has to reach a milestone internally to be considered a subscription. Thinking that milestone to be 3 months but that's a guess.

My guess is the removal of /follow hit them for a considerable amount. Otherwise they wouldn't be talking about it again.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well to take what they say at face value they were willing to take a loss of boxers if they got the big gain of getting rid of bots.

If this did not get rid of bots, and some are saying it did not, then there is no reason for them to take any loss. Thus they may reconsider.

Making a connection between the loss of 1.3 million subs and /follow is incorrect.

Everyone is blaming the loss on whatever about wow they dont like. PvP balance, Pandas, Catering to Casuals, Catering to Elites, whatever. Clearly its a combination of many many factors including the simple observation that nothing stays on top forever (EQ1, Roman Empire, American Idol, IBM, NY Yankees, etc.).'

You all understand that Honor will buy at best 476 ilevel items. Thats Garbage given you can kill 4 mobs a week that drop 496 to 522 ilevel items. You can craft 458 with way under 100g in materials.

[Palee]

You all understand that Honor will buy at best 476 ilevel items. Thats Garbage given you can kill 4 mobs a week that drop 496 to 522 ilevel items. You can craft 458 with way under 100g in materials.

Sam, playing BGs is not about honor gear for many of us. Boxers are not on par with arena or rated BGs so our only chance to have somewhat even competition is random BGs. When I multiboxed BGs my win/lose ratio was about 50-60% overall. In specific BGs like AV or IoC I could get better win/lose ratio but overall it's still around 50%. So yea, I could go play arena all day, but there's no fun in it. Arena is only there to get gear, not to have fun. Even if I did win arena all the time, what fun is in a game that you wait 5 mins queued and then it's all over in 2 mins. It's boring.

Random BGs have a certain attraction that no other form of pvp can give us boxers. The fact that they are random is probably the most important thing. It means anything can happen.

Some world pvp can get close to that, but in world you can get outnumbered so quickly that everything can end in like 10 minutes.

[ebony]

Sam, playing BGs is not about honor gear for many of us. Boxers are not on par with arena or rated BGs so our only chance to have somewhat even competition is random BGs. When I multiboxed BGs my win/lose ratio was about 50-60% overall. In specific BGs like AV or IoC I could get better win/lose ratio but overall it's still around 50%. So yea, I could go play arena all day, but there's no fun in it. Arena is only there to get gear, not to have fun. Even if I did win arena all the time, what fun is in a game that you wait 5 mins queued and then it's all over in 2 mins. It's boring.

Random BGs have a certain attraction that no other form of pvp can give us boxers. The fact that they are random is probably the most important thing. It means anything can happen.

Some world pvp can get close to that, but in world you can get outnumbered so quickly that everything can end in like 10 minutes.

This is so true I love a av game when the horde used to wipe all the ally at glav and then take sh gy pushing us up nouth. The game is looking bad but with my 5 I can still be trying my best to keep tower's and change the game its so fun I love av so much I don't care about honor. Just used to this on a class you can not play in the smaller games as well.


blizzard does read here so they do read this post. They said that to me keep giving us feedback and we keep it a open topic for them.

[Apps]

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8088619711#1

Go post so we can get an answer.

Applaud. Some comments are spot on about the level a botter will go to auto a game and be 0% useful, vs a human playing multiple accounts.

[Fursphere]

The follow command no longer seems to be working in Battlegrounds or Arenas, but still works in PvE instances, Arena, and the outside world.

EDIT: Confirmed working as intended - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8088199775

Original reply prior to his edit - http://i.imgur.com/8pGZUBH.png

Imgur backup in case of thread deletion - http://i.imgur.com/mDPCGWx.jpg

EDIT #94 - Bashiok responds to why follow was eliminated in BGs & Arena - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8087929775?page=6#104

EDIT: Follow in Arena has been restored as of 3/19.

I haven't multiboxed in over three years now, and I still think this is complete crap.

[MiRai]

I haven't multiboxed in over three years now, and I still think this is complete crap.
Holy shit... After seeing the avatar I checked in and around the thread to make sure I wasn't reading something that had been necro'd from 2009. >_>

#Fursphere2013

[Crum1515]

What is this, I don't even.

[zenga]

Hardware boxing making a comeback?

[candlebox]

zenga start running 3s with the shamen and make some vids.

[Eremite]

Hi!
What has happened to this topic guys?
All has given up, and moved on? I just read it all since first post and kinda expected a "happy ending".

I just came back to multibox some wow (from swtor) and after a week i realized the lack of follow on Bg-s.
I opened a ticket, got the same answer that I ve been reading here..
So we are finally screwd in bg-s for good?

[MiRai]

Hi!
What has happened to this topic guys?
All has given up, and moved on? I just read it all since first post and kinda expected a "happy ending".

I just came back to multibox some wow (from swtor) and after a week i realized the lack of follow on Bg-s.
I opened a ticket, got the same answer that I ve been reading here..
So we are finally screwd in bg-s for good?
There are several threads which are much more current than this one, and I suggest browsing the forums rather than necroing an almost 2 year old post.

Thread locked.