What DPS is considered good?

[redmosez]

Purely in pve I was wondering what sort of dps (in wow) you guys were managing? And what is considered good dps for a solo player.

Just wondering how close I'm getting with my multi class composition.

I just hit 85 and geared my guys in the MoP greens, with some ~ilvl 409 weapons, now that all my dps are in comparable gear I'll start monitoring what kind of dps they're putting out.

Let me know what you guys are/were doing at a similar level both for AOE and melee, if you can mention specific fights that'd be great.

edit pve not pvp!

[Owltoid]

I think it's a somewhat relevant question at 90, but at 85 I'd suggest not caring and just leveling. Many boxers absolutely crush PvP while leveling and get the false impression it will be the same at 90; not so, unfortunately. It's a whole different ballgame at cap due to PvP power gear advantages, players who actually know how to PvP, and more focus from Blizz on balance. Additionally, it's kind of hard to determine DPS in PvP since your target is not static in any fashion. Your best bet is determining your DPS on a target dummy and then converting the numbers to account for PvP (much less than 100% uptime on target, some GCDs used for non damage abilities, resilience assumptions, etc)

[MiRai]

I've never seen anyone measure how good they were at PvP via damage meters for exactly the reason that Owltoid mentions. In PvE a tank holds a target still while you are usually able to mindlessly stand there and DPS. In PvP, not so much.

[redmosez]

sorry guys typo I meant pve! (big difference :()

[Khatovar]

Moved again.

IMO DPS numbers are lame. It's all "I can do eighty hundred thousand gigawatts of DEEPS standing still at a target dummy using all my burst for 10 whole seconds. Unless you use Recount, which says I only do 57 hundred thousand, but if you look at the effective then I hit almost 92 hundred bazillion million!!"

If the mob dies before I do, then my DPS is fine. If the mob dies and I don't even come close to dying, then I'm awesome. The only time I actually look at DPS is when I'm building macros to determine what is a better setup.

As far as what's good for solo players, look at a site that does PvE Class rankings, like Noxxic or Raidbots. I'm sure there's other/better sites, but like I said, I don't keep up on this stuff. The only DPS numbers I have for my team (http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/48022-Khat-s-MoP-Mixed-Melee-Macros-MMMM?p=371654&viewfull=1#post371654) are from like a month and a half ago.

[redmosez]

I guess I'm trying to min/max my team, the aim is for MOP heroics and hopefully eventually bronze in challenge modes.

Been playing around with macros and I've been able to compare my dps to each other but it might be that they're all below par.

The first 2 MoP dungeons were really easy but it looks like a few of the mechanics that I've brute forced my way through are going to be a pain on heroic.

It's a bit tricky trying to dps with melee and ranged at the same time.

[zenga]

These are the results (http://www.simulationcraft.org/510/Raid_T14H.html) of simulationcraft, in best in slot HC gear. Have to take next in mind when analysing that data:

- this is single target
- simulationcraft relies on the community to keep the profiles for each spec up to date, and for accuracy. It's fairly known that some specs in simcraft are not really well designed, thus producing bogus results.
- this is under perfect conditions, stand still and with all raid buffs/debuffs active

This is a list (http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_DPS/10H/all/14/60/default/) were all uploaded combat logs for heroic raids are taken into account, for all bosses.
- many bosses have a gimmic, such as often a phase where they take x% more damage
- some bosses like garajal cause skewed logs, since only the guy who actually logs and uploads his numbers are correct, the fight has 2 realms and if you are in the normal realm you cant log whats going on in the parallel realm, etc ...

Either way you can browse that site on a fight per fight basis to get a rough idea yourself. So far there is not really an agreemennt on what exactly is the best way to use this data to compare specs, since each person comes up with his/her own method.

Yet alone that this data is for heroic raid geared players. When you run heroic dungeons and do dailies you'll have 30-40 ilvls less, not to mention that the fights are completely different. Elemental shamans are at the low end of the raiding spectrum atm for example, but in heroic dungeons they are insane. Reason is that their major CD is up for every boss and that pretty much every dungeon has trash where chain lightning shines.

[redmosez]

I'm not sure at heroic levels but right at level 85 just into the first 2 mop normal dungeons all my dps seem fairly even, that is feral druid, elemental shaman and arms warriors.

The feral druid is usually the highest which is pretty insane seeing as I don't bother using her attacks that require position requirement when I'm doing easy dungeons.

[Lyonheart]

I'm with red. I like to maximize, within reason, so that i am more efficient at killing bosses. I could care less about trash. For me, i noticed an improved success rate when i can kill a boss faster ( duh right? ) SO the better DPS I'm doing the faster i can gtfo and do my next one.. and less chances of running back from the grave. I few thousand extra dps from each toon can make or break some fights. I'm always looking for ways to improve. Also it just feels good when you figure out a way to do as good, if not better, than solo players when your in a PuG raid for a world boss or RaF 8) And i know i need lots of improvement based on what I see solo players doing, and what I know I used to be able to do in past expansions. As we all know, its a lot more tricky to get it done as good as It was back then, due to the many macro nerfs.

But i do understand Khats PoV.. as long as you get the job done, why worry?

To answer your question. I can only go by what I have done.. and I'm pretty sure I'm in lower range on my teams. My 85s all seem to do between 12-15k while questing and can do in the low 20s in dungeons . thats mages.. priests.. DKs.. paladins and monks ( I have LOTs of lvl 85 teams ) I only have a few 90s and they are all doing, on average 30kish in dungeons, ( bursting on bosses at around 50k ) In item lvl 460ish gear. Since I'm still leveling teams, and still gearing up y 90s.. thats bound to get better, but I have not spent much time lately trying to maximize.. as I'm focusing on getting my teams to 90. Then ill spend a lot of time here, the class theorycrafting sites, lazymacros site and at the target dummies. I want to build the best team for PvE I can out of what I have to work with ( everything ).

[Ualaa]

I think it is considered 'Good DPS', when the target(s) die and your team has not.
That is the litmus test.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Of course you want to maximize your rotation, go to noxxic to get a feel of whats right then go to EJ to tweak to the max. The more steps you have (if you are using isboxer) the better you can make your rotation, in fact you can write enough steps to last 30 seconds and take into account a lot of cool downs.

I'v tending to avoid all this by making mages for dps and just using mage bomb as it does not require facing. Still I cascade steps to use up cool downs when they are available.

We will see how I do in pve as I only have 4 guys left at level 89 (signatue is old).

[Starbuck_Jones]

DPS is a funny beast. At the end of Lich King, I was doing in the 20-25k dps range with all of my characters. Even the tank topped in the 23-24k range on aoe trash. Two expansions and 10 levels later, I still cant do that type of dps. Though my tank now climbs into the 30-40k mark with vengeance the rest languish in the 15k-20k range. However I am nowhere near the 80k, 150k, 230k dps that you see some people in raids do.

If you kill the mobs, then you're doing it right. If you want more DPS there are only two ways to do it. Better gear or better tactics. Maxing out DPS is pretty easy with IS Boxer. Only a few classes require more than a single button smash to maximize their DPS. So it's going to be getting better gear for most of us. However, there so many utility spells that few of us ever use and if you start to integrate them into your tactics. Fights go from brute force dps races to smooth sailing.

[JohnGabriel]

When I box, the dps of my team is a very big concern and I watch it closely.

When I play solo with my normal guild I am their only rogue and their highest dps. But in that situation its mostly just an ego number as dps is not the biggest concern. Our raid leader does not even allow posting dps logs in chat. Its his job to worry about things like that not ours.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

On a more general DPS-measurement note, you have to be pretty careful asking anyone else what your DPS should be or looking up stats on various web sites. Primarily because:

A) Very few teams will have the same buffs you do, which can make a drastic difference in performance.
B) Very few teams will be able to synergize abilities/debuffs/etc. like we do so that cooldown abilities are maximized.

You can get ballpark numbers with team setups and SOME basic numbers from heroic 5-man parse logs but I would stay well clear of raid logs as they usually show optimal conditions for each individual fight that are possibly completely out of line with what you can expect as a multiboxer.

Sometimes it helps to see numbers to gauge a feel of your relative performance to another similar setup but just make sure you keep answering "YES!" to "Is it still fun?"

[zenga]

DPS is a funny beast. At the end of Lich King, I was doing in the 20-25k dps range with all of my characters. Even the tank topped in the 23-24k range on aoe trash. Two expansions and 10 levels later, I still cant do that type of dps. Though my tank now climbs into the 30-40k mark with vengeance the rest languish in the 15k-20k range. However I am nowhere near the 80k, 150k, 230k dps that you see some people in raids do.

If you kill the mobs, then you're doing it right. If you want more DPS there are only two ways to do it. Better gear or better tactics. Maxing out DPS is pretty easy with IS Boxer. Only a few classes require more than a single button smash to maximize their DPS. So it's going to be getting better gear for most of us. However, there so many utility spells that few of us ever use and if you start to integrate them into your tactics. Fights go from brute force dps races to smooth sailing.

You are using some weird numbers in my opinion. DPS over the past raiding tiers, in best in slot raiding gear was roughly like this:

T10 12-14k (ICC)

T11 25-30k (BOT, Blackwing Decent, Throne)

T12 35-40k (Firelands)

T13 – 50-55k (Dragon Soul)

T14 - 110-120k (HoF, Toes, MsV)

This is single target damage, in best in slot heroic raiding gear. I say roughly, because there were always specs that simmed lower or higher, it's more to have a rough idea, and there were always ways to get beyond that by getting a legendary, focus magic, tricks, warlock buff in past expansions. Also these numbers are without taking raidwide buffs into account, like the 30% buff in ICC near the end. And obviously when it is current content. Having specs pulling 25k dps in ICC in patch 4.0 (pre cata patch) with all sorts of new stats and spells who are intended for cata doesn't really count.

Also when you say that some people are pulling 230k dps in raids, that is simply not thrue. Yeah for 15 seconds when popping all cds. But that is not what is meant with dps. Also bosses like windlord on heroic who give you a 600% dmg increase are bad practise to compare dps. since they are gimmicks.